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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2019, 03:50 »
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Pauws99. I just voiced my opinion. Please respect it and I will respect yours.

Alamy, respect your contributors! Be charitable to us!
I signed up to contribute to a photo agency , not do charity. Charities should be kept completely separate.
I'm not sure that Alamy's profit margin is any different to the rest of the industry what difference would it make if they spent the profit on coke and lapdancers? When you signed up to them their business model was quite open.


« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2019, 04:11 »
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Yes of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think its fair to question it on a discussion board. I'm sure if Alamy were generating more income though this wouldn't  be an "issue". The problem with Alamy is not what it does with its profit but not generating a good income for contributors in my view.  The reason I sign up anywhere is the anticipation of making money if they deliver that short of moral issues such as using child labour I'm not too concerned with how they run their business.

ShadySue

« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2019, 05:18 »
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Pauws99. I just voiced my opinion. Please respect it and I will respect yours.

Alamy, respect your contributors! Be charitable to us!
I signed up to contribute to a photo agency , not do charity. Charities should be kept completely separate.
I'm not sure that Alamy's profit margin is any different to the rest of the industry what difference would it make if they spent the profit on coke and lapdancers? When you signed up to them their business model was quite open.
Nowhere was your opinion disrespected.
Even with indie files, you get 40% via Alamy, which is more than you get from other agencies. With distributor sales you get 30%, which is about what you get from other agencies, (except iS if indie).
If they weren't funding their charities they wouldn't exist at all.
So it's up to you, contribute to them, or don't.

You expressed your opinion about their modus operandi, Paws expressed an opinion about your opinion, that's how a forum works.

« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2019, 05:22 »
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Pauws99. I just voiced my opinion. Please respect it and I will respect yours.

Alamy, respect your contributors! Be charitable to us!
I signed up to contribute to a photo agency , not do charity. Charities should be kept completely separate.
I'm not sure that Alamy's profit margin is any different to the rest of the industry what difference would it make if they spent the profit on coke and lapdancers? When you signed up to them their business model was quite open.

I'm with you ravens. Blowing on about your charity generosity a few months after cutting commissions by 20% is not a good look.

« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2019, 08:16 »
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Isn't giving for charity also a way to pay less taxes?  ::)

ShadySue

« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2019, 16:55 »
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Isn't giving for charity also a way to pay less taxes?  ::)
This was discusssed on this thread on the Alamy forum.
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/12083-alamy-philanthropy-is-in-our-dna

Also possibly of interest, the Annual Report:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/12078-alamy-annual-report-and-accounts-overdue

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2019, 12:51 »
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Pauws99. I just voiced my opinion. Please respect it and I will respect yours.

Alamy, respect your contributors! Be charitable to us!
I signed up to contribute to a photo agency , not do charity. Charities should be kept completely separate.
I'm not sure that Alamy's profit margin is any different to the rest of the industry what difference would it make if they spent the profit on coke and lapdancers? When you signed up to them their business model was quite open.

I'm with you ravens. Blowing on about your charity generosity a few months after cutting commissions by 20% is not a good look.

When did they cut the commission 20% in the last few months. What did I miss?

I'm still getting 50% on exclusive and 40% on non-exclusive? I was getting 50% since about 2010 if I remember right? That's 10%

Personally I don't care about their charity or board, I'm only interested in what I make.

ShadySue

« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2019, 13:14 »
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When did they cut the commission 20% in the last few months. What did I miss?

I'm still getting 50% on exclusive and 40% on non-exclusive? I was getting 50% since about 2010 if I remember right? That's 10%

Personally I don't care about their charity or board, I'm only interested in what I make.

10 is 20% of 50.
So each indie file sold earns you 20% less that it would have had it been 50%

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2019, 13:20 »
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When did they cut the commission 20% in the last few months. What did I miss?

I'm still getting 50% on exclusive and 40% on non-exclusive? I was getting 50% since about 2010 if I remember right? That's 10%

Personally I don't care about their charity or board, I'm only interested in what I make.

10 is 20% of 50.
So each indie file sold earns you 20% less that it would have had it been 50%

Oh that modern math again where a 10% cut is a 20% cut? The post should have said, 20% loss in potential earnings then, not 20% cut?

Changing commission from 50% to 40% is a 10% reduction in commission, no matter how anyone wants to slice it.

Blowing on about your charity generosity a few months after cutting commissions by 20% is not a good look.

Note, it uses the word commissions, not income or earnings?

And no I still don't care about their charity, I care about what they pay me! Selfish, aren't I?

« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 13:23 by Uncle Pete »

ShadySue

« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2019, 13:24 »
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When did they cut the commission 20% in the last few months. What did I miss?

I'm still getting 50% on exclusive and 40% on non-exclusive? I was getting 50% since about 2010 if I remember right? That's 10%

Personally I don't care about their charity or board, I'm only interested in what I make.

10 is 20% of 50.
So each indie file sold earns you 20% less that it would have had it been 50%

Oh that modern math again where a 10% cut is a 20% cut? The post should have said, 20% loss in potential earnings then, not 20% cut?

Changing commission from 50% to 40% is a 10% reduction in commission, no matter how anyone wants to slice it.

Blowing on about your charity generosity a few months after cutting commissions by 20% is not a good look.

Note, it uses the word commissions, not income or earnings?

And no I still don't care about their charity, I care about what they pay me! Selfish, aren't I?

Semantics aside*, you are still being paid 20% less on your non-exclusive files, and that's all you care about.

*and no matter how you look at it, it's still a 20% reduction in commission.
If they went from 100% to 90%, that would be a 10% cut.
50% > 40% is a 20% cut.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 19:15 by ShadySue »

« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2019, 19:15 »
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Going from 50% to 40% is a 20% reduction in the commission you will earn.
Going from 100% to 90% would be a 10% reduction.
I remember when they promised us that they would never cut our commission again after going from 60% to 50% (a 17% cut).
It's old math...or the "new math" I learned in the 1960's LOL...which is now old math...

Sorry, Uncle Pete, just giving you a hard time, but the real point is that it is a bigger cut than it first appears.

I didn't mind so much when they first posted about their charities, since the charity was the impetus for the stock site to begin with. But after looking at the loss they wrote off last year in their Annual Statement, I'm not sure I believe they needed to cut commissions to improve operational costs. They said that earnings are flat, so the cut gives them 20% more revenue to work with. Seeing them pay dividends to their directors, write off a huge loan, and then brag about how charitable they are, without any info on just how they are going to improve operations, well, it certainly rankles.

Apologies to Shady Sue I somehow missed that your explanation and mine were nearly identical.



« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 19:20 by wordplanet »

ShadySue

« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2019, 19:19 »
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Going from 50% to 40% is a 20% reduction in the commission you will earn.
Going from 100% to 90% would be a 10% reduction.
It's old math...or the "new math" I learned in the 1960's LOL...which is now old math...

 I remember when they promised us that they would never cut our commission again after going from 60% to 50% (a 17% cut).

More than anything, it is really disappointing. I didn't mind so much when they first posted about their charities, since the charity was the impetus for the stock site to begin with. But after looking at the loss they wrote off last year in their Annual Statement, I'm not sure I believe they needed to cut commissions to improve operational costs. They said that earnings are flat, so the cut gives them 20% more revenue to work with. Seeing them pay dividends to their directors, write off a huge loan, and then brag about how charitable they are, without any info on just how they are going to improve operations, well, it certainly rankles.

Agree with the above (we posted the arithmetical working-out simultaneously!)
Also, they were very aware of percentages given by most of their rivals (essentially crowd-sourced agencies) when they made their decision.

« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2019, 19:22 »
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Going from 50% to 40% is a 20% reduction in the commission you will earn.
Going from 100% to 90% would be a 10% reduction.
It's old math...or the "new math" I learned in the 1960's LOL...which is now old math...

 I remember when they promised us that they would never cut our commission again after going from 60% to 50% (a 17% cut).

More than anything, it is really disappointing. I didn't mind so much when they first posted about their charities, since the charity was the impetus for the stock site to begin with. But after looking at the loss they wrote off last year in their Annual Statement, I'm not sure I believe they needed to cut commissions to improve operational costs. They said that earnings are flat, so the cut gives them 20% more revenue to work with. Seeing them pay dividends to their directors, write off a huge loan, and then brag about how charitable they are, without any info on just how they are going to improve operations, well, it certainly rankles.

Agree with the above (we posted the arithmetical working-out simultaneously!)
Also, they were very aware of percentages given by most of their rivals (essentially crowd-sourced agencies) when they made their decision.

LOL I just saw your post and amended mine with an apology for having repeated what you said.
They do have the best commissions out there, and, like you, I think, I've been a big Alamy supporter, but they are losing some of my support.

ShadySue

« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2019, 19:30 »
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LOL I just saw your post and amended mine with an apology for having repeated what you said.
They do have the best commissions out there, and, like you, I think, I've been a big Alamy supporter, but they are losing some of my support.
;D
Yeah, their charities are slightly 'odd/off' (IMO other charities do similar work more effectively), and their net $$ are well down for me on last year, sales being about the same, though better at the beginning of the year.
Pretty miffed with them today, having had both a partial-refund (of a file invoiced in January and paid in March) and an email telling me a reasonable-value sale from May was unrecoverable, the company being insolvent.  :'( These things happen, but I haven't had any good news from them for ages to balance things out. Also it seems that their unrepaid loan to Videoloft/Manything is a more significant reason for their need to take more money from us.

« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2019, 01:42 »
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Didn't our good Lord say something about when you give to the needy you shouldn't call attention to yourself. Yes, it is in Matthew 6:3, when you give to charity, dont even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be secret.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2019, 02:50 »
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We're giving Alamy a hard time as they recently cut our commissions 20% and then boast their charitable contributors. Not sure one is directly related to another. Since 2007, they've donated over $6 million so it's not a huge amount over 12 years. Their charity-giving program was initiated long way before our commission cut.

Nevertheless, they're shooting themselves in the foot by posting on here since they should know better or don't care. Many contributors, including myself, are concerned that our hard work isn't being rewarded and in my case when it is, I feel like I'm being taken a ride by buyers who purchase Personal Use licenses for cheap to use commercially.

I wish that the charitable donations would be more related to the photography industry. They do have a students' program and this is a great initiative. More of these would be welcome. Anyway, not like contributors have a say anyway. 

P.s UK taxpayers are already paying part of their tax towards the UK's commitment towards overseas aid (which includes social programs in India) - 0.7% of GDP (source: https://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/foreign-aid-how-and-where-is-britain-s-budget-spent)


ShadySue

« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2019, 04:18 »
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Didn't our good Lord say something about when you give to the needy you shouldn't call attention to yourself. Yes, it is in Matthew 6:3, when you give to charity, dont even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be secret.
Yebbut Alamy hasn't said that Christianity is in their DNA.

« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2019, 04:28 »
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Didn't our good Lord say something about when you give to the needy you shouldn't call attention to yourself. Yes, it is in Matthew 6:3, when you give to charity, dont even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be secret.
Yebbut Alamy hasn't said that Christianity is in their DNA.

Same thing is expressed in many cultures, "Good deeds should be done with intention, not for attention.", "A good deed dies, when it is spoken about", "Do charity silently, or else the charity is you", etc

ShadySue

« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2019, 06:50 »
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Didn't our good Lord say something about when you give to the needy you shouldn't call attention to yourself. Yes, it is in Matthew 6:3, when you give to charity, dont even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be secret.
Yebbut Alamy hasn't said that Christianity is in their DNA.

Same thing is expressed in many cultures, "Good deeds should be done with intention, not for attention.", "A good deed dies, when it is spoken about", "Do charity silently, or else the charity is you", etc
If everything were equal, there is a group of contributors who would prefer to be associated with a charity enterprise they considered worthwhile than one which was run purely for profit or to pay off a debt. How would they know this was a possibility if they weren't informed?
Not that everything is equal. 'Better charities are available' (subjective opinion), the directors awarded themselves big bonuses and they'd rather throw huge amounts of money on James West's hobby/side hustle than promote their core business.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2019, 07:02 by ShadySue »

ShadySue

« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2019, 06:58 »
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P.s UK taxpayers are already paying part of their tax towards the UK's commitment towards overseas aid (which includes social programs in India) - 0.7% of GDP (source: https://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/foreign-aid-how-and-where-is-britain-s-budget-spent)
Wow, I hadn't realised it had sunk so low. Still, with all the money being wasted on Brexit I suppose I should be relieved it isn't lower.
Still, I'm not sure how naming and shaming the UK for its current poor Overseas Aid Programme is relevant to this thread - and other countries do worse - indeed the very article you quote says the UK is the only country which has met it's UN target, so not sure why you've singled us out at all.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2019, 07:39 by ShadySue »

« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2019, 07:20 »
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Are we still getting DACS payments in October or did these go to charity as well?

ShadySue

« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2019, 07:36 »
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Are we still getting DACS payments in October or did these go to charity as well?
I claim mine directly, but there's a thread on their forum re DACS.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2019, 07:41 by ShadySue »

« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2019, 07:45 »
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P.s UK taxpayers are already paying part of their tax towards the UK's commitment towards overseas aid (which includes social programs in India) - 0.7% of GDP (source: https://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/foreign-aid-how-and-where-is-britain-s-budget-spent)
Wow, I hadn't realised it had sunk so low. Still, with all the money being wasted on Brexit I suppose I should be relieved it isn't lower.
Still, I'm not sure how naming and shaming the UK for its current poor Overseas Aid Programme is relevant to this thread - and other countries do worse - indeed the very article you quote says the UK is the only country which has met it's UN target, so not sure why you've singled us out at all.
I didn't read it as an attempt to shame....the opposite in fact.

« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2019, 11:47 »
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P.s UK taxpayers are already paying part of their tax towards the UK's commitment towards overseas aid (which includes social programs in India) - 0.7% of GDP (source: https://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/foreign-aid-how-and-where-is-britain-s-budget-spent)
Wow, I hadn't realised it had sunk so low. Still, with all the money being wasted on Brexit I suppose I should be relieved it isn't lower.
Still, I'm not sure how naming and shaming the UK for its current poor Overseas Aid Programme is relevant to this thread - and other countries do worse - indeed the very article you quote says the UK is the only country which has met it's UN target, so not sure why you've singled us out at all.
I didn't read it as an attempt to shame....the opposite in fact.

Me too.

Anyway, what we really want to know is, will Halloween be postponed until 31st of January?  :D

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2019, 11:48 »
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When did they cut the commission 20% in the last few months. What did I miss?

I'm still getting 50% on exclusive and 40% on non-exclusive? I was getting 50% since about 2010 if I remember right? That's 10%

Personally I don't care about their charity or board, I'm only interested in what I make.

10 is 20% of 50.
So each indie file sold earns you 20% less that it would have had it been 50%

Oh that modern math again where a 10% cut is a 20% cut? The post should have said, 20% loss in potential earnings then, not 20% cut?

Changing commission from 50% to 40% is a 10% reduction in commission, no matter how anyone wants to slice it.

Blowing on about your charity generosity a few months after cutting commissions by 20% is not a good look.

Note, it uses the word commissions, not income or earnings?

And no I still don't care about their charity, I care about what they pay me! Selfish, aren't I?

Semantics aside*, you are still being paid 20% less on your non-exclusive files, and that's all you care about.

*and no matter how you look at it, it's still a 20% reduction in commission.
If they went from 100% to 90%, that would be a 10% cut.
50% > 40% is a 20% cut.

And what is it from 60% to 40%? I'm trying to grasp at a bold number like 20% but I suppose that's wrong.


 

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