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ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« on: March 07, 2022, 09:50 »
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From Alamy's forum:
(only on request) Alamy is able set 'Geo-Restrictions', thus preventing your images being seen and sold in Russia, for anyone who wishes to make this minuscule gesture of solidarity with Ukraine. Email [email protected]

Only for information: do with it, or don't what you will.
Some have said they will donate any money they receive from Russia or Belarus to charities benefitting the Ukranians.


« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2022, 10:19 »
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From Alamy's forum:
(only on request) Alamy is able set 'Geo-Restrictions', thus preventing your images being seen and sold in Russia, for anyone who wishes to make this minuscule gesture of solidarity with Ukraine. Email [email protected]

Only for information: do with it, or don't what you will.
Some have said they will donate any money they receive from Russia or Belarus to charities benefitting the Ukranians.

Done.

« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2022, 15:07 »
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Awful to punish Russian people and businesses simply because of their nationality. Plenty of Russians disagree with the war, but cancel culture seems to be normal nowadays.

In the Netherlands there are stories of Russian supermarkets being harassed, Russian children bullied at school, people on the street being yelled at because they 'look or sound Russian'. In fact, a woman from Moldova was scolded for speaking Romanian (which sounded Russian to the Dutchman who yelled at her). In their misguided anger, people have lost their minds.

« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2022, 15:09 »
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One additional suggestion was to donate at least all your earnings from Russia (=blood money) to a humanitarian organization able to support Ukraine and its refugees.

I chose https://novaukraine.org/
« Last Edit: March 07, 2022, 20:43 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2022, 20:00 »
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A lot of russians are leaving their country through Finland, before their country goes back to what it was during communism.. a prison !!

Awful to punish Russian people and businesses simply because of their nationality. Plenty of Russians disagree with the war, but cancel culture seems to be normal nowadays.

In the Netherlands there are stories of Russian supermarkets being harassed, Russian children bullied at school, people on the street being yelled at because they 'look or sound Russian'. In fact, a woman from Moldova was scolded for speaking Romanian (which sounded Russian to the Dutchman who yelled at her). In their misguided anger, people have lost their minds.

« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2022, 20:37 »
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A lot of russians are leaving their country through Finland, before their country goes back to what it was during communism.. a prison !!

The Economist reached a similar conclusion:


« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2022, 11:30 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.

SVH

« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2022, 11:50 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2022, 12:06 »
+1
Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)
That's what I wondered when I saw the reply!

« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2022, 14:50 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.

I'm posting again, the link to that Ukrainian charity. Your donation will be more appreciated than your Lol:

https://novaukraine.org/
« Last Edit: March 08, 2022, 14:57 by Zero Talent »

SVH

« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2022, 15:11 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2022, 15:31 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

They restrict sales based on geography as explained by the OP.
You can't see things that don't exist.

I also said that you have no reason to laugh out loud because even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

I also suggested that you better do some good, instead of laughing:
https://novaukraine.org/
Btw, donations to Ukrainian charities were also suggested on the same forum and topic indicated by the OP. They proposed to donate to: https://www.dec.org.uk/

This is no hijacking, but strictly on topic.




« Last Edit: March 08, 2022, 15:50 by Zero Talent »

SVH

« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2022, 15:45 »
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They restrict sales based on geography as explained above.
You can't see things that don't exist.

.... even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

You are contradicting yourself here. Or it is that Alamy doesn't sell your photos to Russia or they do but you don't get to see it and receive any money for it. So which of the two is it? Because your first remark, which was a quote of Alamy, as you say, clearly states that you will only not see the sales and not that they are not going to sell it. Or did you misquote their reply?
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This is no highjacking, but strictly on topic.
You are ranting all over the place in almost every topic about Russia :)
Maybe we decide on one topic and do all the discussion there instead of the 9 topics about this subject currently on the front page.
And maybe other people that have started those topics can move it to Off-topic where it belongs by now. 

« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2022, 15:59 »
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They restrict sales based on geography as explained above.
You can't see things that don't exist.

.... even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

You are contradicting yourself here. Or it is that Alamy doesn't sell your photos to Russia or they do but you don't get to see it and receive any money for it. So which of the two is it? Because your first remark, which was a quote of Alamy, as you say, clearly states that you will only not see the sales and not that they are not going to sell it. Or did you misquote their reply?
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This is no highjacking, but strictly on topic.
You are ranting all over the place in almost every topic about Russia :)
Maybe we decide on one topic and do all the discussion there instead of the 9 topics about this subject currently on the front page.
And maybe other people that have started those topics can move it to Off-topic where it belongs by now.

There is no contradiction. Let me try again, sometimes things have to be repeated to go through:

What I told you is that even if I'm the only one not getting money from Russia, in other words, Alamy keeps everything (reason why you laughed out loud)... I don't care. That's because I don't want to have anything to do with the Russian blood money.

What happens is that Alamy is restricting my work to be directly sold in Russia.
Is that clear?

I'm posting the two charities again, I'm encouraging you to donate to:

https://www.dec.org.uk/
https://novaukraine.org/

I'm not ranting. I am on topic.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2022, 16:02 by Zero Talent »

SVH

« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2022, 16:31 »
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What happens is that Alamy is restricting my work to be directly sold in Russia.
Is that clear?
It would be if you didn't say "even if" and if you didn't quote this weird sentence from Alamy which is interpretable in multiple ways.

Do you have a link stating clearly, from Alamy itself, that they will not sell your pictures to Russia if you ask them to set 'Geo-Restrictions' for Russia?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2022, 16:36 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.


You must admit, what Alamy says is distinctly ambiguous, and very strange wording, although in this case, hopefully the first part of the sentence is correct:
"Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia."
It would have been more logical and usual to say "... ... so your files won't be directly sold to the territory of Russia"


Probably just bad wording, like that quoted on another thread by Sean, where Dreamstime says on their homepage:
Headline: "Help charities fight the war against Ukraine!"
Which could definitely be read in two ways* if taken alone, though presumably they are actually supporting Ukraine, as the next sentence is:
"5% of our revenue will be donated to charitable organizations helping Ukraine as a War Relief Stimulus."

*If you doubt the ambiguity of the headline, how would you interpret: "Help charities fight the war against Hunger"?

« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2022, 17:15 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.


You must admit, what Alamy says is distinctly ambiguous, and very strange wording, although in this case, hopefully the first part of the sentence is correct:
"Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia."
It would have been more logical and usual to say "... ... so your files won't be directly sold to the territory of Russia"


Probably just bad wording, like that quoted on another thread by Sean, where Dreamstime says on their homepage:
Headline: "Help charities fight the war against Ukraine!"
Which could definitely be read in two ways* if taken alone, though presumably they are actually supporting Ukraine, as the next sentence is:
"5% of our revenue will be donated to charitable organizations helping Ukraine as a War Relief Stimulus."

*If you doubt the ambiguity of the headline, how would you interpret: "Help charities fight the war against Hunger"?

Yes, I agree that it could have been better formulated, but as you said, the first part of the sentence was more than enough to confirm what I requested them to do:

Dear Alamy,

In the light of the recent Russian aggression of Ukraine, I can't accept being part of the Russian war economy.

Please restrict the sale of my work in Russia.

« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2022, 08:05 »
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In case clarifications are still needed:

Geo-Restrictions use IP recognition software to block your images from appearing from certain IP addresses. Therefore, your images cant be licensed from the territory of Russia.

SVH

« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2022, 09:23 »
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In case clarifications are still needed:

Geo-Restrictions use IP recognition software to block your images from appearing from certain IP addresses. Therefore, your images cant be licensed from the territory of Russia.

Thanks for clearing that up.

« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2022, 09:41 »
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In case clarifications are still needed:

Geo-Restrictions use IP recognition software to block your images from appearing from certain IP addresses. Therefore, your images cant be licensed from the territory of Russia.

Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem. I wish I could do the same with Shutterstock.
I just had 3 sales from Moscow today.  >:(
I suspect that these are part of a subscription pack paid before the sanctions became effective.

« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2022, 12:15 »
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I guess I have to block Alamy thread also.
There are crap posters all over this entire forum.
It's not only crap posting... Some of your comments are so irrational and full of hatred.
I don't think Russian money is blood money. Is American money blood money? I mean, look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Is Turkish money also blood money, since they fight Kurds? Is Australian money blood money, because they celebrate the day they defeated Aboriginal people as Australia Day? Should we ban republican party supporters (or vice versa, democrats) from buying our products? We could go on and on, but it really gets down to this: Cancel Cuture.
I am sick of cancelling and I am sick of your crap posting.
You are not adding any value to the discussion and to this forum.
I also think all this is very, very unprofessional.

« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2022, 12:28 »
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No, this is not "cancel culture". It's "cancel war".

But no worries, even if sales to Putin's state own media (= ALL media) and propaganda machine are blocked, there is always piracy.

https://torrentfreak.com/russia-will-probably-legalize-some-software-piracy-to-mitigate-sanctions-220307/

From this point of view I agree that this is just a symbol, far from being an effective war deterent.

Otherwise, I encourage you to do whatever you consider necessary to keep your conscience clean.

One more thing: consider donating to the Ukrainian war victims (links above).
That would add real real value to your post and would be a very professional thing to do.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 03:40 by Zero Talent »

Pixingphotos

  • Don't fix it, if it ain't broke..
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2022, 13:37 »
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If you had bombs falling on your head, I guess you would see things differently...

I guess I have to block Alamy thread also.
There are crap posters all over this entire forum.
It's not only crap posting... Some of your comments are so irrational and full of hatred.
I don't think Russian money is blood money. Is American money blood money? I mean, look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria... the list goes on. Is Turkish money also blood money, since they fight Kurds? Is Australian money blood money, because they celebrate the day they defeated Aboriginal people as Australia Day? Should we ban republican party supporters (or vice versa, democrats) from buying our products? We could go on and on, but it really gets down to this: Cancel Cuture.
I am sick of cancelling and I am sick of your crap posting.
You are not adding any value to the discussion and to this forum.
I also think all this is very, very unprofessional.

« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2022, 20:05 »
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I guess I have to block Alamy thread also.
There are crap posters all over this entire forum.
.... but it really gets down to this: Cancel Cuture.
I am sick of cancelling and I am sick of your crap posting.
You are not adding any value to the discussion and to this forum.
I also think all this is very, very unprofessional.

and just what has this whinging post contributed?

« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2022, 02:20 »
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So here's another way to shoot ourselves in the foot?
I don't know if I have had any Russia sales ever, but I won't ask my work to be boycotted.

Edited to add: Much prefer Dreamstime's take on this.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 02:27 by ravens »

« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2022, 06:47 »
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So here's another way to shoot ourselves in the foot?
I don't know if I have had any Russia sales ever, but I won't ask my work to be boycotted.

Edited to add: Much prefer Dreamstime's take on this.

you prefer a take where you do not have a choice?  Alamy gave people a choice what to do, you still want to sell to Russia, No Problem, You don't fine we will limit it.  In fact this is the opposite of #CancelCulture, this is Freedom of Choice.

« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2022, 07:13 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

They restrict sales based on geography as explained by the OP.
You can't see things that don't exist.

I also said that you have no reason to laugh out loud because even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

I also suggested that you better do some good, instead of laughing:
https://novaukraine.org/
Btw, donations to Ukrainian charities were also suggested on the same forum and topic indicated by the OP. They proposed to donate to: https://www.dec.org.uk/

This is no hijacking, but strictly on topic.

How low IQ a man get get... You are just perfect example of childish person with full of anger. And since you brainwashed people around here helping Ukraine, I'll help Russians. The ones who were killed during 8 year war.

« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2022, 07:14 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

They restrict sales based on geography as explained by the OP.
You can't see things that don't exist.

I also said that you have no reason to laugh out loud because even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

I also suggested that you better do some good, instead of laughing:
https://novaukraine.org/
Btw, donations to Ukrainian charities were also suggested on the same forum and topic indicated by the OP. They proposed to donate to: https://www.dec.org.uk/

This is no hijacking, but strictly on topic.

How low IQ a man get get... You are just perfect example of childish person with full of anger. And since you brainwashed people around here helping Ukraine, I'll help Russians. The ones who were killed during 8 year war. In fact their families.

« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2022, 07:47 »
+6

How low IQ a man get get...

hmm ... you probably confuse your own IQ with your blood pressure ... just a thought  ;D ;D

« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2022, 08:34 »
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So here's another way to shoot ourselves in the foot?
I don't know if I have had any Russia sales ever, but I won't ask my work to be boycotted.

Edited to add: Much prefer Dreamstime's take on this.

you prefer a take where you do not have a choice?  Alamy gave people a choice what to do, you still want to sell to Russia, No Problem, You don't fine we will limit it.  In fact this is the opposite of #CancelCulture, this is Freedom of Choice.

Check out their site. Dreamstime informs that ..."Dreamstime ....  will donate 5% of our revenue," meaning they don't take it from us. So it is THEIR share, THEIR choice.





ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2022, 10:27 »
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I'll help Russians. The ones who were killed during 8 year war.
Not quite sure how you can help those deceased Russians.
Putin will be ecstatic you want to help him; he's welcoming people like you to go and support his army.

« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2022, 16:32 »
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Many American companies are pulling out of Russia... but stock companies are not. 

I would like to opt out right now.  I have been selling a lot of photos right now that I suspect might be being used, if they are sold in Russia/China, to creating false news to blame Ukraine for things RUssia has done/might do.

Generally I have accepted that I cannot control the use of my images if I sell on stock.  But given the fact that most US companies ARE pulling out of Russia AND that I can see some of my images being misused to accuse Ukraine of war crimes, I am not happy.

« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2022, 16:50 »
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Many American companies are pulling out of Russia... but stock companies are not. 

I would like to opt out right now.  I have been selling a lot of photos right now that I suspect might be being used, if they are sold in Russia/China, to creating false news to blame Ukraine for things RUssia has done/might do.

Generally I have accepted that I cannot control the use of my images if I sell on stock.  But given the fact that most US companies ARE pulling out of Russia AND that I can see some of my images being misused to accuse Ukraine of war crimes, I am not happy.

I don't want to minimize the fact that the Russian regime may also be using stock photos to misrepresent facts.

But I think we all need to be aware that all our images serve advertising purposes. Advertising generally works in such a way that images are manipulated - in both a positive and negative sense.

I don't want to know how much fraud has already taken place with stock images and how many billions of dollars have ended up in the wrong hands through our images.

If you want to exclude this, you have to give up the stock business in general and look for another field of activity.

« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2022, 17:01 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

They restrict sales based on geography as explained by the OP.
You can't see things that don't exist.

I also said that you have no reason to laugh out loud because even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

I also suggested that you better do some good, instead of laughing:
https://novaukraine.org/
Btw, donations to Ukrainian charities were also suggested on the same forum and topic indicated by the OP. They proposed to donate to: https://www.dec.org.uk/

This is no hijacking, but strictly on topic.

How low IQ a man get get... You are just perfect example of childish person with full of anger. And since you brainwashed people around here helping Ukraine, I'll help Russians. The ones who were killed during 8 year war.

i appreciate your IQAnon

« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2022, 17:03 »
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So here's another way to shoot ourselves in the foot?
I don't know if I have had any Russia sales ever, but I won't ask my work to be boycotted.

Edited to add: Much prefer Dreamstime's take on this.

you prefer a take where you do not have a choice?  Alamy gave people a choice what to do, you still want to sell to Russia, No Problem, You don't fine we will limit it.  In fact this is the opposite of #CancelCulture, this is Freedom of Choice.

Check out their site. Dreamstime informs that ..."Dreamstime ....  will donate 5% of our revenue," meaning they don't take it from us. So it is THEIR share, THEIR choice.

so if you sell at DT you are forced to sell in Russia, no choice...

« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2022, 11:45 »
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So here's another way to shoot ourselves in the foot?
I don't know if I have had any Russia sales ever, but I won't ask my work to be boycotted.

Edited to add: Much prefer Dreamstime's take on this.

you prefer a take where you do not have a choice?  Alamy gave people a choice what to do, you still want to sell to Russia, No Problem, You don't fine we will limit it.  In fact this is the opposite of #CancelCulture, this is Freedom of Choice.

Check out their site. Dreamstime informs that ..."Dreamstime ....  will donate 5% of our revenue," meaning they don't take it from us. So it is THEIR share, THEIR choice.

so if you sell at DT you are forced to sell in Russia, no choice...

To ouatedeP:

The whole point of selling photos via stock agencies is to sell them. So I see no problem there.


Generally speaking -
This cancel culture is making people far too neurotic. People are now seeing evil everywhere. At first it was about boycotting Russian companies and businesses. Now, it is boycotting even your own photo business.

If your neighbor commits a crime, will YOU have to go to the prison?

What about images on free sites? On personal websites? There are zillions of images online ready to be copied for free. Most of them will be Ok for blogs and news. If anybody wants to prevent photos being misused, don't post them ANYWHERE. Not on your personal website, not social media.

But, the thing is, you are not virtue signalling if you stop posting pics in your social.... and Virtue Signalling is the King.


« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2022, 12:38 »
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How low IQ a man get get...

hmm ... you probably confuse your own IQ with your blood pressure ... just a thought  ;D ;D

Impossible. My IQ is really high. But yours must be equal to room temperature. In Celsius. :D

« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2022, 12:40 »
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No, and you know it.

Even if, as I said above, I don't want any blood money from Russia.
Chill down a bit Zero. I am just asking you a question because you state literally that you won't see it but it doesn't say it's not being sold. So what is it they do actually at Alamy's?

And do you know, that you are almost hijacking these whole site with your Ukraine frustration, right?

They restrict sales based on geography as explained by the OP.
You can't see things that don't exist.

I also said that you have no reason to laugh out loud because even if I alone don't get money from Russia, I don't care because I don't want to have anything to do with Russian blood money.

I also suggested that you better do some good, instead of laughing:
https://novaukraine.org/
Btw, donations to Ukrainian charities were also suggested on the same forum and topic indicated by the OP. They proposed to donate to: https://www.dec.org.uk/

This is no hijacking, but strictly on topic.

How low IQ a man get get... You are just perfect example of childish person with full of anger. And since you brainwashed people around here helping Ukraine, I'll help Russians. The ones who were killed during 8 year war.

i appreciate your IQAnon

No need to. I'm well educated in science. Anything else?

« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2022, 13:05 »
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I'm well educated ...

🤣

Ignorance is bliss!

« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2022, 14:45 »
+1
I'm well educated ...

🤣

Ignorance is bliss!
they're in good company!
trump "called himself a very stable genius and called being really smart one of his greatest assets. "

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/trump-iq-test

« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2022, 15:34 »
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I'm well educated ...

🤣

Ignorance is bliss!

Indeed!  ;D

But your pain in your head is getting worse. Stop thinking and it'll be better.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 15:36 by komikmiha »

« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2022, 17:27 »
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Stop thinking...

This is really a great idea that moves humanity forward. Thank you for this great tip.

 :o

We are on the brink of disaster. For all of humanity. Because a few idiots think they have to impose their ego. And so the rest of the people should not think about it.

I like to repeat myself.

The West is certainly not as great as it pretends to be - no question.

For many years, for example, I have been annoyed by the question of why the rating agencies have so much power and why they apparently only exist in the USA. Which, in case of doubt, can decide the economic future of each state on the planet. That is not in order. Because that can lead to fierce abuse.

I'm also not at all convinced that the West always informs its citizens correctly - there are lies in our countries, too.

But in this current situation, one fact should be completely out of the question: Russia attacked Ukraine. Not the other way around. Russia wants war and a subjugated Ukraine. And there is no political, social or economic right to it!!!

There is exclusively a personal interest of Putin, who - for whatever reasons - wants a place in the history books and a satisfaction of his vanity and his personal desire for power. Is that worth a third world war?
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 17:43 by Wilm »

« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2022, 19:53 »
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Stop thinking...

This is really a great idea that moves humanity forward. Thank you for this great tip.

 :o

We are on the brink of disaster. For all of humanity. Because a few idiots think they have to impose their ego. And so the rest of the people should not think about it.

I like to repeat myself.

The West is certainly not as great as it pretends to be - no question.

For many years, for example, I have been annoyed by the question of why the rating agencies have so much power and why they apparently only exist in the USA. Which, in case of doubt, can decide the economic future of each state on the planet. That is not in order. Because that can lead to fierce abuse.

I'm also not at all convinced that the West always informs its citizens correctly - there are lies in our countries, too.

But in this current situation, one fact should be completely out of the question: Russia attacked Ukraine. Not the other way around. Russia wants war and a subjugated Ukraine. And there is no political, social or economic right to it!!!

There is exclusively a personal interest of Putin, who - for whatever reasons - wants a place in the history books and a satisfaction of his vanity and his personal desire for power. Is that worth a third world war?

Yes indeed, Wilm.

komikmiha doesn't need thinking.
For him, it's more convenient to delegate the thinking to Putin's ministry of public enlightenment and propaganda.
He now believes that copy-pasting their speaking points is a sign of intelligence.  ::)

PS. One comment: the rating agencies are built on trust.
Nothing prevents a successful rating agency to be created in Germany, for example, as long as it manages to gain the trust of the financial world.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 19:57 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2022, 21:09 »
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I'm also not at all convinced that the West always informs its citizens correctly - there are lies in our countries, too.

But in this current situation, one fact should be completely out of the question: Russia attacked Ukraine. Not the other way around. Russia wants war and a subjugated Ukraine. And there is no political, social or economic right to it!!!...
most definitely

and it's usually the free press that exposes western govt misinformation

« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2022, 08:46 »
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A lot of russians are leaving their country through Finland, before their country goes back to what it was during communism.. a prison !!

Awful to punish Russian people and businesses simply because of their nationality. Plenty of Russians disagree with the war, but cancel culture seems to be normal nowadays.

In the Netherlands there are stories of Russian supermarkets being harassed, Russian children bullied at school, people on the street being yelled at because they 'look or sound Russian'. In fact, a woman from Moldova was scolded for speaking Romanian (which sounded Russian to the Dutchman who yelled at her). In their misguided anger, people have lost their minds.

I can not understand: millions of Russians are fleeing "Putin's prison" to go to countries where their businesses, money and properties are going to be confiscated just because their only fault is being Russian. Where is any logic?

By the way: "a lot of" - is it dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Billions? Where do you get your statistics from? Don't offer FB posts though.

And, to my knowledge, Russian - Finnish border was closed for a long time, due to pandemic and has not been opened yet. How can millions flee through closed border?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2022, 08:55 by DroneNamibia »

ShadySue

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« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2022, 08:59 »
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A lot of russians are leaving their country through Finland, before their country goes back to what it was during communism.. a prison !!

 "a lot of" - is it dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Billions? Where do you get your statistics from? Don't offer FB posts though.

Google is Our Friend:
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/russians-leaving-their-country-for-finland-due-to-fear-of-isolation
"Since the start of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, a high number of persons have been leaving the latters territory.
While some said that they are leaving Russia due to the sanctions imposed by EU countries, others said that they are leaving Russia as there has been a rumour that Vladimir Putting plans to introduce martial law in order to deal with the protests that the citizens are making against the invasion of Ukraine, SchengenVisaInfo.com reports."


And, to my knowledge, Russian - Finnish border was closed for a long time, due to pandemic and has not been opened yet. How can millions flee through closed border?

Your 'knowledge' needs updating:
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21133-numerous-of-russians-sought-to-leave-russia-for-finland-last-weekend.html
"YLE and Helsingin Sanomat wrote last weekend that in the coming days there are virtually no available seats on VRs Allegro trains from St. Petersburg to Helsinki.
Allegro is presently the only regular rail connection from Western Russia to Europe, according to YLE. VR stated to the public broadcasting company that it is looking to increase services on the route due to the high demand, "


https://yle.fi/news/3-12345301
Ah, numbers:
"Thousands of Russians are leaving their country in fear of the authorities declaring martial lawa move that would close borders and stifle domestic dissent."

« Last Edit: March 18, 2022, 10:00 by ShadySue »

ShadySue

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« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2022, 09:02 »
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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2022, 09:03 »
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60697763

25,000 has already fled to Georgia 5 days ago, estimates were 200,000 total at that time. Obviously lots more by now.

Ordinary Russians arent having their property confiscated. Only very few oligarchs with connections to the regime. IMHO even these people wont really have much done to them in the end (sadly). Take a look at the UK government's big words after Russia's assassination plus murder of a British citizen on British soil vs what they actually did, almost nothing.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2022, 09:07 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2022, 09:11 »
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I can not understand: millions of Russians are fleeing "Putin's prison" to go to countries where their businesses, money and properties are going to be confiscated just because their only fault is being Russian. Where is any logic?

By the way: "a lot of" - is it dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Billions? Where do you get your statistics from? Don't offer FB posts though.

And, to my knowledge, Russian - Finnish border was closed for a long time, due to pandemic and has not been opened yet. How can millions flee through closed border?
LOL just tried to track down who you were arguing with earlier in thread who said millions are fleeing. Did you really just make up a figure of millions then argue against your own number?

« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2022, 10:17 »
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Dear friends, so that everything falls into place for everyone, watch the official performance on the central Ukrainian TV. The journalist quoted the Nazi criminal Eichmann. All questions should disappear, with whom, who and why.

I won't post a link to the video. If you're interested, find it yourself.


« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2022, 12:28 »
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Just found the story and tried Googling the young man who did it. He has no real hits apart from that story as fas as I can tell so I assume he is a not a well known journalist at all. I don't know anything about UKrainian TV so can't comment on how prominent a channel he was on, but I can find you people from any country saying the worst things possible. Without that context I am not sure what the significance is.

Also he had just had a friend murdered by an invading army and was having a rant mid breakdown to the effect of "if you call me a Nazi I will act like one". And by the way, Russia is currently actually doing the things he is only ranting about doing.

Far right/ N*zis get less than 3% of the vote in Ukraine, those are the facts.

« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2022, 20:12 »
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This from Reuters 11 days ago said about 700 people a day have been entering Finland from Russia via train since the war started, with hundreds more driving to Finland, Estonia & Latvia, so thousands so far. I figure Reuters is a well-respected and well-known news source worldwide.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russians-crowd-trains-helsinki-passage-eu-narrows-2022-03-08/

What's happening in Ukraine is horrible.

Economic sanctions seem like a very measured response by the west. 

Economic sanctions against Russia will obviously hurt its citizens, both those who are pro and those who are anti-war, but given Russia's nuclear arsenal, economic sanctions are far less onerous than any perceived military response that could lead to nuclear bombs flying. Then, everyone loses.

« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2022, 01:42 »
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I am coming round to that way of thinking. Sanctions will hurt innocent people in Russia but they are necessary to strangle the regime. At the end of the day the blame for the sanctions is with Putin. As bad it gets for Russians it is nothing compared to what the Ukrainians are having to bear.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2022, 05:11 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2022, 05:11 »
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I've fallen down a rabbit hole after MrVector's "watch the official performance on the central Ukrainian TV. The journalist quoted the Nazi criminal Eichmann. All questions should disappear, with whom, who and why." post.

After looking into it and finding that, of course, this was nothing like an official performance from Ukraine it got me wondering about Russias TV channels.

Holy sh*t is it worse than I thought. Tsargrad TV, one Russias most popular TV channels, has Aleksandr Dugin as its Chief Editor. An actual honest to goodness fascist and Neo-Nazi. If you dont know who this person is and what he believes you need to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin It really is eye opening when it comes to parsing what Putin has been saying with regards to the invasion. His book Foundations of Geopolitics is, well, foundational to Putins foreign policy (Google Foundations of Geopolitics influence on Putin).

Anyone interested in the roots of Putin's (literal) fascism should also read up on Ivan Ilyin, reportedly Pyutins favourite philosopher and an inspiration for Dugin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin
He looked forward to a future in which Russia would liberate itself with the help of Christian fascism

« Last Edit: March 20, 2022, 11:20 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2022, 07:17 »
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A clear example of the "cherry picking" propaganda technique.

This article is complementing well what Justanotherphotographer said about that unfortunate Eichmann incident.

https://www.thebulwark.com/digging-into-russias-latest-charge-of-ukrainian-*/

Its also worth noting that Sharafmal is ...a rather poor candidate for Ukrainian Nazi: he is a brown-skinned ethnic Afghan, i.e., the kind of person who would not fare well in a country dominated by neo-n*zis or extreme ethnonationalists
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"while the translation supplied in the propaganda version of the clip was accurate, the visual was creatively embellished with a black-and-white photo of Eichmann. Thats right: According to the Channel 24 website, the Eichmann photo which seems to clinch the Nazi propaganda labeland which implies that Sharafmals producers had signed off on his commentarywas not a part of the actual broadcast. Or, to put it plainly: the clip was doctored."
« Last Edit: March 20, 2022, 07:32 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2022, 07:27 »
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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2022, 08:32 »
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ShadySue

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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2022, 19:08 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

No, and you know it.
When I went in just after midnight BST to remove China from distribution, I went into Europe to remove Belorus, and discovered that Russia was still ticked as 'opted in' desipite me getting the same email as above, so who knows?

« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2022, 07:24 »
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Just got the answer from Alamy:

Weve now added the geo-restriction to your account, so you wont see any direct sales to the territory of Russia.
Does that mean that they will sell it, but you don't see it and you will get no commission from it? Lol then :)

No, and you know it.
When I went in just after midnight BST to remove China from distribution, I went into Europe to remove Belorus, and discovered that Russia was still ticked as 'opted in' desipite me getting the same email as above, so who knows?

Same here.
But these are good suggestions. I unchecked them too.


 

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