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« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2022, 13:38 »
+5
I only have 200 images on Alamy. I just wanted to try there and gain experience. And my success is zero. But at the end of the year, my sales have increased by $1 for 7 sales. My earnings should be around $0.28 for those 7 Downloads.

I am very happy that everything went right with the Chinese buyer. That is very good news. He can probably earn really good money with the pictures now.

Personally, I'm also happy because I'm going to delete all the pictures and won't have to be annoyed in the future.


« Reply #201 on: January 21, 2022, 13:47 »
+2
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #202 on: January 21, 2022, 13:48 »
+3
Really sounds as looking for straws to hold on to, especially the gaining ground on competitors. And probably they mean "not losing more ground to competitors".
Especially as Getty seems hell-bent on selling our images for peanuts to (or via?) a Chinese buyer / distributor.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2022, 13:50 by ShadySue »

marthamarks

« Reply #203 on: January 21, 2022, 13:49 »
0

Personally, I'm also happy because I'm going to delete all the pictures and won't have to be annoyed in the future.

Wilm, that's exactly how I feel watching this sad story play out.

Something or other turned me off on Alamy years ago. Not sure if I even submitted an image or two back then, but I'm glad I don't have to suffer through being annoyed at them now. Went through that already with iS and SS.

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #204 on: January 21, 2022, 14:13 »
+1
My English is probably not good enough, because I don't understand it. The only thing I understand is that people can use photos almost for free.
I'm going to 20% if no miracle happens. If these minimum sales are still around, I'd better stop with Alamy, whereas I chose Alamy because, although they sold less, at least they offered a fair price.

Nothing remains of your good name.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2022, 14:48 by thijsdegraaf »

« Reply #205 on: January 21, 2022, 14:43 »
+3
Hi All,

The data has been pulled and looked at for the distributor in question and we can confirm they have operated within our agreement.

The images were sourced from the pool of images opted into Chinese distribution and Novel Use. The usage confirmation report included a very small % of images that had opted out or had been deleted in the time between download and use, but the vast majority of images billed remain opted into both.

The images selected have been used as part of a small business / personal template style application where users can quickly create small designs. The novel use pool was used for this as it covers low value / high volume style licence packages and our agreement with this distributor continues to limit them to the novel use pool, although there still may be some additional billing associated with images downloaded whilst opted in, that are now opted out.

These deals are done based on the fact that they are additional streams of revenue that allow our reach to grow within the market and gain ground on competitors.

The average licence price we sell for remains a significant indicator as to our approach to pricing, and the fact that it has remained stable over the last 3 or 4 years at $26-$30 in a difficult market shows a level of robustness. Competition is fierce of course and last year saw record levels of contributor registrations and image uploads. The photographers who are growing revenue on Alamy and having continued success are supplying a steady stream of fresh and on-trend content and are seeing year on year growth in earnings.

Future growth opportunities are on the horizon across all areas of our business and we'll share them with you at the earliest opportunity.

Best regards

James Allsworth

Head of Content

James, first of all I think it is good that you explain the situation here on behalf of Alamy. Thank you for that.

On the other hand, it is of no use if you answer here only with empty phrases and do not respond to the questions and problems of the forum participants.

Nobody here can confirm the average license price of 26 - 30$. Where did you get your numbers from?

And if this deal, as you say, was so important for Alamy in this difficult business - who tells us that there won't be many more deals like this with Bonsai remuneration?


If you're going to the trouble of jumping into the shark tank here, you should try a little harder or just don't do it.


ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #206 on: January 21, 2022, 14:56 »
+5
My English is probably not good enough, because I don't understand it. The only thing I understand is that people can use photos almost for free.
I'm near-enough English speaking, and it makes no sense to me either.
Don't worry about your English, it's just inexplicable madness.

marthamarks

« Reply #207 on: January 21, 2022, 15:20 »
+3
My English is probably not good enough, because I don't understand it. The only thing I understand is that people can use photos almost for free.
I'm near-enough English speaking, and it makes no sense to me either.
Don't worry about your English, it's just inexplicable madness.

Same here. None of it makes any sense in any language.

« Reply #208 on: January 21, 2022, 18:31 »
+3
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

« Reply #209 on: January 21, 2022, 18:40 »
+2

Personally, I'm also happy because I'm going to delete all the pictures and won't have to be annoyed in the future.

Wilm, that's exactly how I feel watching this sad story play out.

Something or other turned me off on Alamy years ago. Not sure if I even submitted an image or two back then, but I'm glad I don't have to suffer through being annoyed at them now. Went through that already with iS and SS.


I probably would have uploaded a lot more because Alamy had a good reputation.

But with vector graphics it was very complicated there and the process of keywording and everything else was extremely time-consuming.

If the rhetorically well-written lines were even remotely true, I probably would have invested more time. But from my point of view, there are immense gaps between statements and reality.

Anyway, it's time to say goodbye. For me, anyway.

« Reply #210 on: January 21, 2022, 19:37 »
0
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

Wilm, if you close your account with Alamy, they will pay it as they did mine which was around $3.

I don't know how long it will take though as mine was sitting there for a while so had probably made it through the accounting process which takes some weeks or months.

« Reply #211 on: January 22, 2022, 04:18 »
+1
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

Wilm, if you close your account with Alamy, they will pay it as they did mine which was around $3.

I don't know how long it will take though as mine was sitting there for a while so had probably made it through the accounting process which takes some weeks or months.

Thank you for this Information.

« Reply #212 on: January 22, 2022, 05:12 »
+2
My English is probably not good enough, because I don't understand it. The only thing I understand is that people can use photos almost for free.
I'm near-enough English speaking, and it makes no sense to me either.
Don't worry about your English, it's just inexplicable madness.

Same here. None of it makes any sense in any language.

Doesn't make any sense to me, either. What I too understand is that our work was distributed nearly free and we should be ok with it because

 "Future growth opportunities are on the horizon across all areas of our business and we'll share them with you at the earliest opportunity."

Come on Alamy. Instead of empty promises, do something real. Like, get rid of this cheap Chinese distributor.

S2D2

« Reply #213 on: January 22, 2022, 05:35 »
+2
I wonder whether in the next Shutterstock 'Trends' report they will feature themselves as starting the trend to pay peanuts to contributors.

Or was that Getty?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #214 on: January 22, 2022, 06:59 »
+2
I wonder whether in the next Shutterstock 'Trends' report they will feature themselves as starting the trend to pay peanuts to contributors.

Or was that Getty?

Getty tried to raise prices. At one point I was averaging just under $6 rpd, and others were reporting more, even over $7. But at the time SS insisted on holding their subs price right down.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #215 on: January 22, 2022, 07:03 »
+6
Also, knowing that China does not see copyright as we in Europe and the US see it, why on earth do Alamy even want to disseminate our images there, far less in bulk at tiny prices.
There are many stolen images in China. For example, if my pics are used in a newspaper, they're showing on many Chinese sites before I even know of the sale. Alamy won't go after these image thefts, because they know they are unlikely to be successful.

There's a serious lack of joined-up thinking, reeking of some combination of desperation and/or greed. Or wanting to make a fast buck before ...?

(...and of course, that goes for Getty as well)
« Last Edit: January 22, 2022, 08:45 by ShadySue »

« Reply #216 on: January 22, 2022, 07:15 »
+3
Also, knowing that China does not see copyright as we in Europe and the US see it, why on earth do Alamy even want to disseminate our images there, far less in bulk at tiny prices.
There are many stolen images in China. For example, if my pics are used in a newspaper, they're showing on many Chinese sites before I even know of the sale. Alamy won't go after these image thefts, because they know they are unlikely to be successful.

There's a serious lack of joined-up thinking, reeking of some combination of desperation and/or greed. Or wanting to make a fast buck before ...?

Those were my thoughts as well.
If someone in a country where copyright plays almost no role buys masses of cheap images, the probability is relatively high that nonsense is done with our images - without us noticing.

« Reply #217 on: January 22, 2022, 07:28 »
+6
So maybe we are expecting too much - to get paid for our "passion". [ironic mode off]

On twitter Alamy claims the goal of a contributor on Alamy is "to bee seen" . Not paid.

Quote
  Alamy Content Team
@AlamyContent
The place for inspiration, tips & trends. Join our contributor hub and give your passion a platform. Why? Because all photographers deserve to be seen. 

« Reply #218 on: January 22, 2022, 07:31 »
+8
Also, knowing that China does not see copyright as we in Europe and the US see it, why on earth do Alamy even want to disseminate our images there, far less in bulk at tiny prices.

Which will - in the long run - also mean less income for Alamy since nobody will then have to buy a licence from Alamy anylonger as pics are floating for free on the chinese market alreay....

« Reply #219 on: January 23, 2022, 00:07 »
+4
And what are Alamy thinking, an UK/Europe based agency trying to compete with the Chinese prices in the Chinese market? What reality are they living in?

« Reply #220 on: January 23, 2022, 11:29 »
+4
And what are Alamy thinking, an UK/Europe based agency trying to compete with the Chinese prices in the Chinese market? What reality are they living in?

worse, giving free reins to a Chinese company to do it for them, with what seems a pretty free going agreement.

« Reply #221 on: January 23, 2022, 11:58 »
+4
Hi All,

The data has been pulled and looked at for the distributor in question and we can confirm they have operated within our agreement.

The images were sourced from the pool of images opted into Chinese distribution and Novel Use. The usage confirmation report included a very small % of images that had opted out or had been deleted in the time between download and use, but the vast majority of images billed remain opted into both.

The images selected have been used as part of a small business / personal template style application where users can quickly create small designs. The novel use pool was used for this as it covers low value / high volume style licence packages and our agreement with this distributor continues to limit them to the novel use pool, although there still may be some additional billing associated with images downloaded whilst opted in, that are now opted out.

These deals are done based on the fact that they are additional streams of revenue that allow our reach to grow within the market and gain ground on competitors.

The average licence price we sell for remains a significant indicator as to our approach to pricing, and the fact that it has remained stable over the last 3 or 4 years at $26-$30 in a difficult market shows a level of robustness. Competition is fierce of course and last year saw record levels of contributor registrations and image uploads. The photographers who are growing revenue on Alamy and having continued success are supplying a steady stream of fresh and on-trend content and are seeing year on year growth in earnings.

Future growth opportunities are on the horizon across all areas of our business and we'll share them with you at the earliest opportunity.

Best regards

James Allsworth

Head of Content


I totally enjoyed this blast of pure, incomprehensible corporate-speak.  And it's exciting to hear that some forms of "novel use" are so innovative that they work as a business model even without paying the photographers anything.

My big hope for the future is that Alamy honors my request to close my account, which I sent as soon as I saw these so-called "sales".
« Last Edit: January 23, 2022, 13:14 by stockastic »

« Reply #222 on: January 25, 2022, 05:32 »
0
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

Wilm, if you close your account with Alamy, they will pay it as they did mine which was around $3.

I don't know how long it will take though as mine was sitting there for a while so had probably made it through the accounting process which takes some weeks or months.

How did you close your account? I can't find anything concerning this on their website.

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #223 on: January 25, 2022, 05:41 »
0
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

Wilm, if you close your account with Alamy, they will pay it as they did mine which was around $3.

I don't know how long it will take though as mine was sitting there for a while so had probably made it through the accounting process which takes some weeks or months.

How did you close your account? I can't find anything concerning this on their website.

https://www.alamy.com/contributor/faqs/leaving-alamy/   :)

As long as I don't have the idea that the photos on Adobe and Shutter are selling worse because of that, I'll leave them there. If earnings are even lower after July, I'll stop uploading photos.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2022, 06:17 by thijsdegraaf »

« Reply #224 on: January 25, 2022, 06:37 »
0
and it will take around half a year til you the get your 28 Cents....

I'll never get the 28 cents anyway because my sales are only $51 and my resulting earnings (about $16) are below the payout limit.

But that doesn't bother me at all. Alamy doesn't seem to be doing well - so I'm happy to give them this small donation. It seems to be needed.

I hope that all agencies that think and act like this - because Alamy is not alone - are aware that they are digging their own grave. This pricing policy won't work for long. Not for us. But not for the agencies either. That much is certain!

Wilm, if you close your account with Alamy, they will pay it as they did mine which was around $3.

I don't know how long it will take though as mine was sitting there for a while so had probably made it through the accounting process which takes some weeks or months.

How did you close your account? I can't find anything concerning this on their website.

https://www.alamy.com/contributor/faqs/leaving-alamy/   :)

As long as I don't have the idea that the photos on Adobe and Shutter are selling worse because of that, I'll leave them there. If earnings are even lower after July, I'll stop uploading photos.

Thanks a lot, Thijs!


 

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