Author Topic: Alamy Stockimo (Read 45195 times)

MaZvone · « **on:** July 31, 2014, 07:21 »

Did anyone upload mobile images on Stockimo? I have portfolio with 150 images, no one sale so far...

KerinF · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2014, 19:46 »

Yes, similar number of images and just had first sale. As with general Alamy, sales are infrequent compared to microstock, but generally higher value. The image I sold was a pretty ordinary one of some cobblestones - sold for $36. My daughter also contributes but only has a handful of images for sale. She recently sold a beautiful image of a beach for about the same amount.

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2014, 08:34 »

I only have 35 Stockimo images online and no sales.

Generally I think it is a very pleasant to use app, right up there with Fotolia's similar offering and miles beyond what others are doing. Unlike Fotolia, they got it right from the first version. Fotolia, however, is actually selling my mobile images.

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2014, 09:17 »

Just a little update: I now have about 50 images on Stockimo and made my first sale. Practically no payout limit, so I was paid $25 today (50% of $50 sale price). I like Stockimo.

wordplanet · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2014, 13:49 »

I can't seem to get the app to work on my phone. I have an iPhone 4s - anyone else have those issues?

Af8 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2015, 14:08 »

Can't say I've had any problems but may be worth a delete and re-install. I even managed to get the 'If This Then That' integration working over the last couple of days which adds additional useful functionality.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2015, 17:22 »

I wanted to check it out with my new S5 but they still dont offer Android. Its been a while now. I would have expected them to developed the Android version by now. I guess it could mean that it is not the success it was supposed to be for the iPhone. Otherwise the Android version would have been available long time ago.

ShadySue · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2015, 17:54 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on January 08, 2015, 17:22

I wanted to check it out with my new S5 but they still dont offer Android. Its been a while now. I would have expected them to developed the Android version by now. I guess it could mean that it is not the success it was supposed to be for the iPhone. Otherwise the Android version would have been available long time ago.

As of a couple of weeks ago, they were still saying it had been a great success, but they're not developing for Android because "not many people log in to Alamy via an Android phone". Odd. I have never gone onto Alamy via my phone, only my desktop, and can't imagine that would be any different if I had an iPhone. I come onto msg on my phone, regularly, and sometimes check my iStock balance (hahaha) with my phone, but Alamy only update sales once a day, so no point.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2015, 01:29 »

That is one weird reason not to develop an app. Half the world uses android. Or thereabouts.

Af8 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2015, 04:11 »

I saw a similar comment but had read it that it was related to contributors clicking through from e-mails rather than logging in and the vast majority of click through's were from iOS devices. I have also seen comments that as a new venture they are taking a cautious approach and ensuring that it works for all involved on one platform before transposing it onto other platforms. A sensible approach but if I wasn't on iOS I'd be champing at the bit also.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2015, 05:46 »

How long does it take to perfect an app? You have been at it since May 2013.

Also

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In Q4 2013, according to research firm IDC, Google's Android mobile operating system had a 78% share of all users globally. Apple's iOS had just 18%. Now, IDC predicts that in 2014 Android will claim 80.2% of users and only 14.8% will be on Apple's iOS system. Mobile app revenue is growing faster on Android than Apple, also, according to Distimo. It's the same situation — Android growing faster — in mobile ads, according to Opera Mediaworks.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5#ixzz3OJtwV6J9

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:01 »

You launced in Feb 2014, but you didnt start developing Feb 2014. You launched when the app was ready. Plenty of time to develop an android app in 2 years time. It was on your roadmap 2 years ago already. You take your data from people opening an email. Did you exectute a proper research amongst your contributors?

Also, Stockimo aims for the smartphone photographer, those contributors will not be on Alamy. So you dont know how big the demand is for an Android app unless you researched that.

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What is Stockimo?

Stockimo's an app for iPhone users who love to take photos and want to make some money.

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:17 »

Having worked closely with engineers on a major App-based project I can tell you: It is hard and expensive to develop for both iOS and Android in parallel, and it is often not worth going the Android route.

The reasons are manifold -- including that good Android engineers are much harder to come by. So I understand Alamy's decision to only float this test balloon on the iOS platform, especially with those usage numbers, which I think it is very transparent and generous of Alamy to share. I wish other agencies were more like Alamy, but meanwhile everybody here just keeps attacking them over something that seems like a reasonable, well-explained business decision.

ShadySue · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2015, 07:36 »

Well, I happened to be in Glasgow on the afternoon of the bin lorry crash, very near the location and time and heard about it.
Only had my phone with me, and as it was Android, pointless to go there.
At first I cursed Alamy for only catering for iPhones.
But that was under adrenaline; maturer reflection made me glad I didn't go intruding on peoples' grief (interesting how the adrenaline would probably have trumped that).

bunhill · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:21 »

One of the biggest reasons why Android is a difficult platform to develop for is that it exists in so many variations and across so many different models of device. All with different screen resolutions, camera resolutions, storage locations etc etc. It's a development and support nightmare.

iOS is a very mature platform. XCode, the OSX & iOS development environment has existed since 2003 and has a legacy which dates back into the 90s. Everything is very well documented - and it is trivial to quickly simulate every device on which an application can potential run.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:37 »

No one is attacking anyone, just raising questions and adding my opion.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:43 »

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on January 09, 2015, 07:17

Having worked closely with engineers on a major App-based project I can tell you: It is hard and expensive to develop for both iOS and Android in parallel, and it is often not worth going the Android route.

The reasons are manifold -- including that good Android engineers are much harder to come by. So I understand Alamy's decision to only float this test balloon on the iOS platform, especially with those usage numbers, which I think it is very transparent and generous of Alamy to share. I wish other agencies were more like Alamy, but meanwhile everybody here just keeps attacking them over something that seems like a reasonable, well-explained business decision.

So what youre implying is that they should be made first because its easier to put together an iOS app?

I think that for any app to be widespread it will have to be created for both platforms anyway, and it makes more business sense to develop an app which caters to over 80% of the phone market first, than one that barely covers 10%.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:44 »

Quote from: bunhill on January 09, 2015, 08:21

One of the biggest reasons why Android is a difficult platform to develop for is that it exists in so many variations and across so many different models of device. All with different screen resolutions, camera resolutions, storage locations etc etc. It's a development and support nightmare.

iOS is a very mature platform. XCode, the OSX & iOS development environment has existed since 2003 and has a legacy which dates back into the 90s. Everything is very well documented - and it is trivial to quickly simulate every device on which an application can potential run.

Android Studio is in stable state and is the official IDE now, closing the gap with iOS.

bunhill · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:49 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on January 09, 2015, 08:44

Android Studio is in stable state and is the official IDE now, closing the gap with iOS.

1.0

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2015, 08:57 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on January 09, 2015, 08:43

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on January 09, 2015, 07:17
Having worked closely with engineers on a major App-based project I can tell you: It is hard and expensive to develop for both iOS and Android in parallel, and it is often not worth going the Android route.

The reasons are manifold -- including that good Android engineers are much harder to come by. So I understand Alamy's decision to only float this test balloon on the iOS platform, especially with those usage numbers, which I think it is very transparent and generous of Alamy to share. I wish other agencies were more like Alamy, but meanwhile everybody here just keeps attacking them over something that seems like a reasonable, well-explained business decision.

So what youre implying is that they should be made first because its easier to put together an iOS app?

I think that for any app to be widespread it will have to be created for both platforms anyway, and it makes more business sense to develop an app which caters to over 80% of the phone market first, than one that barely covers 10%.

Except Alamy's numbers are 41% to 7%, reversed.

I am not discounting Android, I am sure it's a major force in the phone market and here to stay, ever growing. What I am saying, and this comes from personal professional experience, is that iOS is a *way* cheaper way to reach people in practice. That may eventually change, but right now it is a reality.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2015, 05:13 »

Fair enough.

Thanks for coming back, I appreciate it. I already knew that Apple products were popular within the creative community, I didnt expect Android to be that far behind in terms of mobile phone usage for taking photos.

My girlfriend has an Iphone and the photos are superior to my Samsung S5, especially in low light, but with good light it takes great images too.

Anyway, I can only wait for the android app then. Thanks.

guckinumguckirum · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2015, 09:17 »

I switched to an iPhone lately and don't regret it. I would love to support a mobile OS from Europe with no direct connections to the NSA like Google, Windows and Apple. But there is simply no choice anymore since Nokia was bought by Windows.

iandmph · « **Reply #25 on:** August 20, 2015, 21:25 »

Anyone having good sale with stockimo lately?

Jafo2016 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2017, 13:08 »

Quote from: iandmph on August 20, 2015, 21:25

Anyone having good sale with stockimo lately?

Old Thread but that's what comes up on top in the search here.

Anybody still working Stockimo through Alamy? Any success at all? It seems to be iPhone only app 50% and more for news then anything else. Can I upload from my camera, using iPhone? That would mean better photos from a DSLR but uploaded using the iPhone or iPad as the IOS software for sending.

Anyone know anything new about Stockimo? It seems a couple years since the last post.

sharpshot · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2017, 13:17 »

You can use other phones but not a DSLR. Still have to upload using an apple product and I'm allergic to them, so I gave up. The other thing that put me off was when they started putting the photos on Shutterstock, I might as well upload to them direct and get the full payment. I wasn't impressed by the sales people were talking about in the Alamy forum. If they ever bring out an android app, I will probably submit again but they need an opt out for Shutterstock and any other sites I would rather supply direct.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2022, 09:34 »

Quote from: Jafo2016 on January 13, 2017, 13:08

Quote from: iandmph on August 20, 2015, 21:25
Anyone having good sale with stockimo lately?

Old Thread but that's what comes up on top in the search here.

Anybody still working Stockimo through Alamy? Any success at all? It seems to be iPhone only app 50% and more for news then anything else. Can I upload from my camera, using iPhone? That would mean better photos from a DSLR but uploaded using the iPhone or iPad as the IOS software for sending.

Anyone know anything new about Stockimo? It seems a couple years since the last post.

Yes I'm bringing this thread back from the grave. That is, rather than start another one about the same questions.

www.stockimo.com/ and http://www.stockimo.com/terms.html

From the terms "We'll pay you 20% of every sale you make." but it also says, existing Alamy contributors get 50% which makes me wonder, what's happening with the new Alamy terms? Everything 20%?

Type of Contributor    Your share    Stockimo share
Early Bird Contributor    40%    60%
New Contributor    20%    80%
Existing Alamy Contributor    50%    50%

All percentages in the table above relate to the % share of Net Revenue

I don't have many uploads and when I did a search, using descriptions and keywords, I couldn't find my own images, so I don't even know how they are displayed for buyers on Alamy?

Anyone else have anything new in the last five years? Seems like a limited interest subject? And if anyone missed the big killer, iPhone and Apple tablets only, no Android version.

Edited to add: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Stockimo Stockimo on Shutterstock, now that's getting hard to imagine when someone gets a download for 10 cents, and Stockimo pays 20%, wow a 2c credit? I'm thrilled at the prospects. (NOT)

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2022, 07:17 »

Quote from: iandmph on August 20, 2015, 21:25

Anyone having good sale with stockimo lately?

Anyone have any sale with Stockimo?

fotoroad · « **Reply #30 on:** January 15, 2022, 13:45 »

Anyone have any sale with Stockimo?
[/quote]

last sale I have is 6months ago for $1.18 total for 5 years is $3.05 with 92 photos and last upload around 3 years ago

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2022, 11:21 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on January 15, 2022, 07:17

Anyone have any sale with Stockimo?

Quote from: fotoroad on January 15, 2022, 13:45

last sale I have is 6months ago for $1.18 total for 5 years is $3.05 with 92 photos and last upload around 3 years ago

I think that has convinced me that a better iPhone or a tablet, isn't going to give me the returns that I thought might be possible.

So the other question if anyone knows. Aside from having a special account on SSTK, I tried to find mine on Alamy using descriptions and keywords and never could locate any of mine. Where are they? There's no Stockimo site and they are supposed to be for license on Alamy, somewhere?

What am I doing wrong? Besides uploading to Stockimo

wordplanet · « **Reply #32 on:** January 18, 2022, 17:45 »

Have had a handful of sales with Stockimo, mostly artsy but some editorial too. Most recently, two licenses in 2021, with 138 images, net ranges from $2.64-$25. One image has sold twice (artsy). Fun app. But easier to make $ on Alamy.

Pete, I find it tricky to find my pix on Alamy sometimes too, even when I search using the dropdown "mobile" - I usually have to try different keyword combos. Not sure why.

Not getting any penny sales, so don't know how the shutterstock thing works. You can't opt out from distribution on Stockimo as far as I know, but who would want to opt out from US distributors, which is what you'd have to do?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #33 on:** January 20, 2022, 11:47 »

Quote from: wordplanet on January 18, 2022, 17:45

Have had a handful of sales with Stockimo, mostly artsy but some editorial too. Most recently, two licenses in 2021, with 138 images, net ranges from $2.64-$25. One image has sold twice (artsy). Fun app. But easier to make $ on Alamy.

Pete, I find it tricky to find my pix on Alamy sometimes too, even when I search using the dropdown "mobile" - I usually have to try different keyword combos. Not sure why.

Not getting any penny sales, so don't know how the shutterstock thing works. You can't opt out from distribution on Stockimo as far as I know, but who would want to opt out from US distributors, which is what you'd have to do?

Thank you, I did do some more searching and using specific title words, I did find my images on Alamy. I wasn't sure if Stockimo had it's own site, and it doesn't. That's what I wondered, they are there on Alamy and I suppose available for image packs and subscriptions?

Just funny that I think the image designation kind of says what I think it looks like?

Image ID: S1H1T5
and finding others, Image ID: S3JAGJ and Image ID: S384DW are also mine and it appears that the S is for Stockimo.

Personal use
$ 19.99
Presentation or newsletters
$ 19.99
Website
$ 49.99
Magazines and books
$ 69.99
(there are more)

Still I wonder where the cheap sales are coming from. Some examples of the pack pricing.

Presentation or newsletters
5 pack $16.80 per download
$83.99

10 pack $14.90 per download
$148.99
25 pack $13.96 per download
$348.99

Website
5 pack $42.40 per download
$211.99
10 pack $37.40 per download
$373.99
25 pack $34.96 per download
$873.99

wordplanet · « **Reply #34 on:** January 20, 2022, 18:04 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 20, 2022, 11:47

Quote from: wordplanet on January 18, 2022, 17:45
Have had a handful of sales with Stockimo, mostly artsy but some editorial too. Most recently, two licenses in 2021, with 138 images, net ranges from $2.64-$25. One image has sold twice (artsy). Fun app. But easier to make $ on Alamy.

Pete, I find it tricky to find my pix on Alamy sometimes too, even when I search using the dropdown "mobile" - I usually have to try different keyword combos. Not sure why.

Not getting any penny sales, so don't know how the shutterstock thing works. You can't opt out from distribution on Stockimo as far as I know, but who would want to opt out from US distributors, which is what you'd have to do?

Thank you, I did do some more searching and using specific title words, I did find my images on Alamy. I wasn't sure if Stockimo had it's own site, and it doesn't. That's what I wondered, they are there on Alamy and I suppose available for image packs and subscriptions?

Just funny that I think the image designation kind of says what I think it looks like? Image ID: S1H1T5
and finding others, Image ID: S3JAGJ and Image ID: S384DW are also mine and it appears that the S is for Stockimo.

Personal use
$ 19.99
Presentation or newsletters
$ 19.99
Website
$ 49.99
Magazines and books
$ 69.99
(there are more)

Still I wonder where the cheap sales are coming from. Some examples of the pack pricing.

Presentation or newsletters
5 pack $16.80 per download
$83.99

10 pack $14.90 per download
$148.99
25 pack $13.96 per download
$348.99

Website
5 pack $42.40 per download
$211.99
10 pack $37.40 per download
$373.99
25 pack $34.96 per download
$873.99

Alamy prices for their big clients are sometimes lower than the calculator, they have bulk deals. When Stockimo started they were all $50, and Alamy contributors got 50%. Now most are lower - especially to newspapers. One of my Stockimo images appeared in about 10-15 newspapers around the country and online circa. 2020 - I netted $7.50 as if it was one license, since it went to a large group that owns local papers around the country.

But I enjoy playing with my phone pix and it's a fun creative outlet.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2022, 11:39 »

Alamy is pretty funny. They don't want people taking about Stockimo on the forum.Some posts are left, but others are purged as it's not an Alamy topic. Stockimo seems to have some presence, Facebook and Twitter. But the latest discussion on Alamy was locked, as usual, cleaned and people are told to contact Stockimo support.

What was cleaned and purged? https://stockimoartists.proboards.com/ A private forum for Stockimo Artists to discuss things about Stockimo. The link was up less than a week on Alamy forums.

If there's actually no interest, the forum will be closed, but at least there's someplace for artists to discuss ideas, what they upload and what they think?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #36 on:** June 07, 2022, 10:16 »

Alamy Stockimo Forum

Just in case anyone is interested. If not, then I'll pull the plug on this one. https://stockimoartists.proboards.com/

A couple people came to visit but like everything else forum, if there's no activity, people won't keep checking back.

The reason for starting a forum was for discussion between people and answers. Anyone could come here just as well and maybe even better. But any discussion on Alamy will get locked or removed as the two are not the same. I guess Alamy owning Stockimo isn't enough that they want to promote SM on AL? I don't know, I don't understand.

Hildegarde · « **Reply #37 on:** June 10, 2022, 18:39 »

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No one is saying Android isn't a popular platform, but what we are saying is that with the photographers we work with, Apple iOS is far more popular.

well, the reason for that is photographers who use Android platform CANNOT use it so do not bother.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #38 on:** June 12, 2022, 10:30 »

Quote from: Hildegarde on June 10, 2022, 18:39

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No one is saying Android isn't a popular platform, but what we are saying is that with the photographers we work with, Apple iOS is far more popular.

well, the reason for that is photographers who use Android platform CANNOT use it so do not bother.

I'd agree. The whole idea of ignoring a large part of the possible suppliers?

"Androids outnumber iPhones 3 to 1 in the worldwide market. US numbers differ with the iPhone leading with a 55% market share compared to Android’s 44%."

I didn't switch to the iPhone, and make a note, I'm still using my SE 2016. For another work related app I had to have one. Also many of the online applications that I had issues with on Android, work flawlessly on the iPhone. Banking for one.

If I was going to chose a phone for photos, it wouldn't be an iPhone. Sure they are nice and make good photos, but the Android phones are equal and some are better at producing quality large images.

So I'm not a Fanboy of Alamy, Stockimo or one of the Apple mind numb blind followers. It just worked for some necessary applications. Oh and it's a phone!

The idea of the forum was, people ask questions on the Alamy form and they are locked or deleted. I thought that people who want to know, should have a place to exchange information. Nothing more.

ps I have 11 photos on Stockimo. I wouldn't want to be an over achiever in that kind of thing. Just for fun app and entertainment.

wordplanet · « **Reply #39 on:** June 13, 2022, 15:42 »

Thanks for setting up the board Pete - I joined.
Haven't been active on Stockimo in quite a while but nice to have a place to discuss it. It's good to have a place for experimental images. And I've sold mostly filtered ones there - though some straight editorial too. Only have 138 photos there so not overachieving either.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #40 on:** June 14, 2022, 15:50 »

Quote from: wordplanet on June 13, 2022, 15:42

Thanks for setting up the board Pete - I joined.
Haven't been active on Stockimo in quite a while but nice to have a place to discuss it. It's good to have a place for experimental images. And I've sold mostly filtered ones there - though some straight editorial too. Only have 138 photos there so not overachieving either.

I wish there were about ten people who one way or another had some ideas and wanted to discuss things. Still the same, no people, no forum.

Thanks!

We could do the same thing here and not waste the space and the special interest group.

sharpshot · « **Reply #41 on:** June 18, 2022, 05:15 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 14, 2022, 15:50

Quote from: wordplanet on June 13, 2022, 15:42
Thanks for setting up the board Pete - I joined.
Haven't been active on Stockimo in quite a while but nice to have a place to discuss it. It's good to have a place for experimental images. And I've sold mostly filtered ones there - though some straight editorial too. Only have 138 photos there so not overachieving either.

I wish there were about ten people who one way or another had some ideas and wanted to discuss things. Still the same, no people, no forum.

Thanks!

We could do the same thing here and not waste the space and the special interest group.

Good idea doing it here? I'm still waiting for the android app. Did buy an old iPhone, but I hate it, just can't be motivated to use it.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2022, 23:12 »

Quote from: sharpshot on June 18, 2022, 05:15

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 14, 2022, 15:50
Quote from: wordplanet on June 13, 2022, 15:42
Thanks for setting up the board Pete - I joined.
Haven't been active on Stockimo in quite a while but nice to have a place to discuss it. It's good to have a place for experimental images. And I've sold mostly filtered ones there - though some straight editorial too. Only have 138 photos there so not overachieving either.

I wish there were about ten people who one way or another had some ideas and wanted to discuss things. Still the same, no people, no forum.

Thanks!

We could do the same thing here and not waste the space and the special interest group.
Good idea doing it here? I'm still waiting for the android app. Did buy an old iPhone, but I hate it, just can't be motivated to use it.

Waiting for the Android App? Like the Great Pumpkin or the Easter Bunny or maybe you had the Tooth Faerie visit?

Someone came up with this great plan called Stockimo and if it was making the company loads of money, you might see an Android version. I suspect the whole citizen journalist theory and it's time has come and gone. It wasn't "the next big thing". You could try Clickasnap?

Stock4Me · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2024, 08:26 »

https://www.alamy.com/help/stockimo/?irclickid=wux3pbTEnxyPTyqUA5y4uWE7UkHwxlSuIzNsV80&utm_source=121977&utm_campaign=Shop%20Royalty%20Free%20at%20Alamy&utm_medium=impact&irgwc=1

Alamy, Over the last few months we’ve been reviewing performance of the Stockimo app and thinking about future plans for ingesting mobile phone photography and we’ve come to the difficult decision to retire the app.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2024, 15:14 »

Accept AI images instead, much more promising..

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #45 on:** January 31, 2024, 15:48 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev Photography on January 31, 2024, 15:14

Accept AI images instead, much more promising..

No kidding.

I guess I can go delete the forum, which Alamy removed any post or discussion of Stockimo or mentioning that there was someplace for people who were trying to be active, could interact.

Oh I got the email: "It's with heavy hearts that unfortunately we’ve made the difficult decision to retire the Stockimo app

Over the last few months, we’ve been reviewing the performance of the app and have ultimately decided to move in a different direction.

Although we will continue supporting existing Stockimo contributors like yourself.

You’ll still be able to manage your uploaded photos and receive/review any sales, but we will NOT be accepting any new photo uploads from now on."

Does that mean, just the app? Crazy.

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