Author Topic: Besides Alamy where else do you send your images? (Read 18544 times)

sweetgirll · « **on:** May 05, 2010, 21:30 »

If you do RF with Alamy, or non exclusive RM,
what are the other agencies (not micro) that you send
images to?

Suljo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2010, 22:28 »

What a stupid question?!
If you have eyes, and understand what you are reading you will find it...

bendicks · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2010, 22:33 »

Quote from: Suljo on May 05, 2010, 22:28

What a stupid question?!
If you have eyes, and understand what you are reading you will find it...

You sure know how to make people feel welcome around here.........

-Don

Suljo · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2010, 23:01 »

Quote from: bendicks on May 05, 2010, 22:33

Quote from: Suljo on May 05, 2010, 22:28
What a stupid question?!
If you have eyes, and understand what you are reading you will find it...

You sure know how to make people feel welcome around here.........

-Don

Yeah I feel that I know.
I want to bee wrong but with my hidden eye I see that this new person was rejected on our major Micros, and now is interested in "big" money...

Again
I want to be bee wrong...
Anyhow sorry for abuse...........
Time will tell us apart....

Phil · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2010, 23:53 »

Hi,

many macro sites are listed here

http://www.stockphoto.net/

with descriptions of specialities etc, I dont think there are many (any?) others like alamy that just take all subjects.

Which ones are worthwhile is the real question

unfortunately finding out that info is very hard. I've been collecting up my wildlife pics and my travel pics for the past year or so with the view of submitting them to macro agencies just deciding which ones

madelaide · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2010, 05:32 »

I send RM to MyLoupe, but never sold anything. I also have RM at FeaturePics and sold there, but months ago they withdrew many images because I had to prove I didn't have them as RF elsewhere, and I didn't bother fixingthat because it seems they are not really interested in RM, and also their prices are not well set for RM, IMHO.

RF also goes to Shutterpoint.

sauron · « **Reply #6 on:** May 06, 2010, 12:45 »

On a similar note, is there any macro agency you can join like Alamy?

borg · « **Reply #7 on:** May 06, 2010, 15:24 »

Quote from: madelaide on May 06, 2010, 05:32

I send RM to MyLoupe, but never sold anything. I also have RM at FeaturePics and sold there, but months ago they withdrew many images because I had to prove I didn't have them as RF elsewhere, and I didn't bother fixingthat because it seems they are not really interested in RM, and also their prices are not well set for RM, IMHO.

RF also goes to Shutterpoint.

Madelaide,

Do you have sales on Shutterpoint!?

Shutterpoint was my first stock site...

borg · « **Reply #8 on:** May 06, 2010, 15:26 »

One more question?

Is it possible to put our photos as "RM non-exclusive" on Alamy!?

sweetgirll · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2010, 15:33 »

HI and thanks to the polite people who replied.

SULJO, Whoever you are - sorry if you find my question STUPID. Did you really think I was the "new person"
rejected on "YOUR" major Micros and, now want to go on Macros? "
Is that what you saw with your "hidden eye"? I wonder where is that "Eye" hidden because is completelly mistaken!
Suljo, next time just keep your RUDE comments to yourself, some people may be offended by your words.

-monica---
PS.: english is my second language

Quote from: Suljo on May 05, 2010, 23:01

Quote from: bendicks on May 05, 2010, 22:33
Quote from: Suljo on May 05, 2010, 22:28
What a stupid question?!
If you have eyes, and understand what you are reading you will find it...

You sure know how to make people feel welcome around here.........

-Don

Yeah I feel that I know.
I want to bee wrong but with my hidden eye I see that this new person was rejected on our major Micros, and now is interested in "big" money...

Again
I want to be bee wrong...
Anyhow sorry for abuse...........
Time will tell us apart....

sweetgirll · « **Reply #10 on:** May 06, 2010, 15:38 »

Hi Borg,
I'm also trying to find that out...
It seems they have a "L" license, I'm wondering if that is for a non-exclusive but still rights managed license.

Monica

Quote from: borg on May 06, 2010, 15:26

One more question?

Is it possible to put our photos as "RM non-exclusive" on Alamy!?

ThomasAmby · « **Reply #11 on:** May 06, 2010, 16:03 »

Quote from: Suljo on May 05, 2010, 22:28

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Albert Martin · « **Reply #12 on:** May 06, 2010, 17:06 »

Non - exclusive RM? What is that?

Is there some half EL ?

LOL!

Well... I might be wrong, but such thing as non-exclusive RM is not something I know it exist.

Phil · « **Reply #13 on:** May 06, 2010, 17:58 »

there are a number of libraries such as alamy, age, photolibrary.com, photoshot.com (no experience with last 3 I just know they do not require exclusivity) that do not require exclusivity for RM or RF images. I havent looked in a while but Alamy at least used to expect to be notified of RM sale elsewhere if they had the same image so that they can answer questions / know restrictions etc already on the image.

Dont think I've ever heard of someone getting a sale through myloupe

they were going to be the US alamy, just never pulled it of. They send a request for images every now and again, mostly for stuff for US Backpacker magazine. Definetly not worth the effort.

I think you may be stuck with going through the sites of interest individually looking at what their requirements are

sweetgirll · « **Reply #14 on:** May 06, 2010, 18:01 »

Well
Maybe Rights managed is the wrong word for it...

what would be the name for the model where images offered on an non-exclusive basis,
but unlike RF, it has restrictions, by territory, usage, and term ?

Wasn't it like that rights ready collection from getty when it first came out? After a while they began offering an option for exclusivity.

LOL

Quote from: Albert Martin on May 06, 2010, 17:06

Non - exclusive RM? What is that?

Is there some half EL ?

LOL!

Well... I might be wrong, but such thing as non-exclusive RM is not something I know it exist.

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #15 on:** May 06, 2010, 18:11 »

Quote from: Albert Martin on May 06, 2010, 17:06

Non - exclusive RM? What is that? Is there some half EL ? LOL!

Well... I might be wrong, but such thing as non-exclusive RM is not something I know it exist.

As far as I know Alamy doesn't restrict you to selling RM only with them. So what would you call that?

I never got that. Isn't a big point of RM the ability to track usage? If so how can Alamy track usage if contributors submit the same RM to multiple places?

Dook · « **Reply #16 on:** May 06, 2010, 18:44 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_Managed
I really don't know how agency or photographer can provide "history of usage" if picture is spread around with many non exclusive agencies.

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #17 on:** May 06, 2010, 19:14 »

Quote from: Dook on May 06, 2010, 18:44

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_Managed
I really don't know how agency or photographer can provide "history of usage" if picture is spread around with many non exclusive agencies.

Right, that's what I'm saying I don't get about Alamy.

But Getty requires both RF and RM images, not contributors, to be exclusive. They can track RM becuase they're the only one selling the image.

madelaide · « **Reply #18 on:** May 06, 2010, 19:45 »

Quote from: borg on May 06, 2010, 15:24

Do you have sales on Shutterpoint!?

Sales have decreased since they introduced the "standard license", which is more or less the microstock license, but I've opted to sell my images there at full license (=EL) only. Last sale was in January, but others report more sales - especially those with conceptual images.

madelaide · « **Reply #19 on:** May 06, 2010, 19:48 »

Quote from: Dook on May 06, 2010, 18:44

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_Managed
I really don't know how agency or photographer can provide "history of usage" if picture is spread around with many non exclusive agencies.

I can't tell about all macro agencies, but Alamy and FP declare the usage regarding a specific sale, so you can keep track of it. If I am not mistaken, MyLoupe lets you enter this information to make it readily available.

borg · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2010, 08:40 »

Madelaide@
Thanks!
Maybe I ll try again only with EL...

Monica@
It seems that we are still without answer

, I want to try on Alamy but its difficult for someone like me because I am non-exclusive on Microstock...

RT · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2010, 09:06 »

Quote from: borg on May 07, 2010, 08:40

Monica@
It seems that we are still without answer , I want to try on Alamy but its difficult for someone like me because I am non-exclusive on Microstock...

Alamy is non-exclusive, you can upload your images there no matter where else you have them for sale, if an image is RM and a buyer asks for previous usage details Alamy will contact you for that information, you do not have to supply them with details of sales on other sites until they ask for it.

FTR I've been selling on Alamy since the beginning and I have never ever been asked for previous license details on any images I've licensed through them, and I don't know of anybody else that has been.

I recommend that you don't mix license types. i.e. if you have something for sale as RF on one site do not sell it under a RM license on Alamy.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:05 »

Quote from: Albert Martin on May 06, 2010, 17:06

Non - exclusive RM? What is that?

Is there some half EL ?

LOL!

Well... I might be wrong, but such thing as non-exclusive RM is not something I know it exist.

Sure it does. RM refers to managing the rights of images. It can be accomplished in many ways. You just need to track the sales of each image so buyers can be informed to where the image was used. Every now and then a buyer will want "exclusive rights" to a territory or industry which will command a higher price. It's no more an oxymoron than "Royalty Free". Exclusivity generally refers to whether one agency is representing the image. Alamy allows for non exclusive RM by way of the L designation. The image can still be sold as exclusive by entering some where else by entering restrictions to the image on the Alamy site. So yes you're wrong.

borg · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2010, 14:02 »

Quote from: RT on May 07, 2010, 09:06

I recommend that you don't mix license types. i.e. if you have something for sale as RF on one site do not sell it under a RM license on Alamy.

Thank you RT for good information!

Also, can you explain to us from your experience, why not to mix license types, they are all non-exclusive ?

RT · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2010, 16:48 »

What I mean is I don't recommend you sell the exact same image as RF with one agency and then also sell that image as RM on Alamy. You can of course sell some as RF and some as RM images on Alamy depending on what license you feel will suit the image best, that part you'll need to work out for yourself.

ShadySue · « **Reply #25 on:** May 07, 2010, 17:22 »

Quote from: borg on May 07, 2010, 14:02

Quote from: RT on May 07, 2010, 09:06

I recommend that you don't mix license types. i.e. if you have something for sale as RF on one site do not sell it under a RM license on Alamy.

Thank you RT for good information!

Also, can you explain to us from your experience, why not to mix license types, they are all non-exclusive ?

If you have sold an image even once as RF, you have no control over what it can be used for (aside from prohibited uses). Therefore that image would not be able to be sold with the more lucrative rights managed licence for exclusive use in a particular sector, geographical area or time span, as you can't guarantee the use of the RF purchaser. So for example, not knowing what the RF user was going to use the image for, you couldn't guarantee that someone could have e.g. exclusive use of an image on a calendar front in the US and Canada for the year 2011. If the RM was just a purchase to use the image with no exclusivity requested, it wouldn't be so much of an issue. Some RM companies won't allow it in any case.

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2010, 18:55 »

Quote from: sweetgirll on May 06, 2010, 15:33

HI and thanks to the polite people who replied.

-monica---
PS.: english is my second language

Your English is just fine, monica ! I am a firm believer in the concept that 'there is no such thing as a stupid question'. You just keep asking, for the most part the folks here on MSG are friendly and helpful.

=tom

p.s. In the military I was a linguist. Spoke fluent Russian, Italian, Spanish, International Morse code and had a working knowledge (common conversation) of Greek, German, Hindi & American Sign Language. Today, I wouldn't dream of trying to hold a conversation on any other language site. Good for you!!

UncleGene · « **Reply #27 on:** May 07, 2010, 19:04 »

Quote from: a.k.a.-tom on May 07, 2010, 18:55

p.s. In the military I was a linguist. Spoke fluent Russian, Italian, Spanish, International Morse code and had a working knowledge (common conversation) of Greek, German, Hindi & American Sign Language. Today, I wouldn't dream of trying to hold a conversation on any other language site. Good for you!!

Такое не забывается, Ich bin sicher. Sei d'accordo? (sorry, my Morse is too rusty

)

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #28 on:** May 07, 2010, 19:24 »

Quote from: UncleGene on May 07, 2010, 19:04

Такое не забывается, Ich bin sicher. Sei d'accordo? (sorry, my Morse is too rusty )

если вы не используете его, вы его потеряете !!!! Can't say that I agree completely...as most is forgotten... working 36 years as a training manager for McDonald's Corp, I haven't had a lot of opportunity to use my Russian, German or Italian... ha ha ha... although I do use my Spanish alot... ha ha ha. Honestly, I have forgotten so much, it's sad.
Languages I was required to learn like my prime language, I still retain to a great degree. This is because I learned it as an extension of my English vocabulary so that you 'thought' in the language rather than translated it as you went. Russian I was required to speak with zero American accent. I had to have a Moscovite accent pure and true.
I have to say, they still do come in handy in the movie theater when I have to translate stuff with no subtitles for my family..ha ha ha ha.

Uncle Gene, you wouldn't by any chance be an old military linguist, would you? (Or more likely an average European that can speak a dozen languages easily...LOL)

=dah, dah dah dah, dah dah ( dash dash-dash-dash dash-dash)

borg · « **Reply #29 on:** May 08, 2010, 04:35 »

RT an ShadySue, thank you for explanation...

Good weekend!

borg · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2010, 09:58 »

Ok!
One more explanation and I am done...

My conclusion is that isn't recommended to upload same image on both licenses (RF and RM), because buyer can demand history and type of usage before, what is practically impossible, at RF...

But what is with micro RF and Alamy RF... ?
Is it OK to upload on both sides (micro RF and Alamy RF), we know that is big difference in pricing between...!?

P.S.

Whether customers at Alamy RF have a greater range of usage of the image, which may be the reason for the difference in price... ?
I found some explanation on this link, but what is your experience?
http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/

Dook · « **Reply #31 on:** May 08, 2010, 11:58 »

As long as you play by the rules, it's ok. Is it allowed to upload to Alamy and to microstock at the same time? Yes, it is. I have good sales at Alamy, but you can't know until you upload for yourself. Give it a try!

madelaide · « **Reply #32 on:** May 08, 2010, 15:12 »

Borg, there are no restrictions regarding Alamy, as far as I know, but personally I prefer to have separate portfolios in macro and micro.

Kone · « **Reply #33 on:** May 08, 2010, 18:29 »

Quote from: borg on May 08, 2010, 09:58

Ok!
One more explanation and I am done...

My conclusion is that isn't recommended to upload same image on both licenses (RF and RM), because buyer can demand history and type of usage before, what is practically impossible, at RF...

But what is with micro RF and Alamy RF... ?
Is it OK to upload on both sides (micro RF and Alamy RF), we know that is big difference in pricing between...!?

P.S.

Whether customers at Alamy RF have a greater range of usage of the image, which may be the reason for the difference in price... ?
I found some explanation on this link, but what is your experience?
http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/

Hi Borg,

RF is RF. (just different license agreement). Yes you can upload "microstock images" to Alamy. I actually just sold an image (a couple of days ago) RF for $245. They don't come every day but when they do, it is nice to see it. (my cut was $147).

All the best

borg · « **Reply #34 on:** May 09, 2010, 04:23 »

Hi Kone!

I am glad to hear it...

Thanks for support...

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