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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2018, 02:40 »
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I have image on Sthutterstock, Fotolia,Istock,Dreamstime,123Rf and Alamy. In all of them i have sells, but not in Alamy, why?

I would probably guess its down to insufficient keywords or inaccurate keywords
That and they are not the type of images Alamy buyers are looking for....my (sporadic) sales on there tend not to be "typical" stock images
What kinds of images could be sell on Alamy?

You can see exactly what images sell on Alamy by going to the "Alamy Measures" link on your dashboard and selecting the "All of Alamy" link which shows what has been zoomed and sold.

Its the only agency that does this that I know of
Indeed and what an eclectic bunch of sales they are!


ShadySue

« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2018, 03:06 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.

« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2018, 03:09 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!

ShadySue

« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2018, 03:15 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!
:-) Do you ever wonder what a searcher wanted? I've just seen I had a search yesterday for 'riding horse painting'. Probably they wanted a pic of a painting of someone riding a horse, or someone painting someone else riding a horse; but just maybe they wanted a pic of someone painting while riding a horse.

« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2018, 03:35 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!
:-) Do you ever wonder what a searcher wanted? I've just seen I had a search yesterday for 'riding horse painting'. Probably they wanted a pic of a painting of someone riding a horse, or someone painting someone else riding a horse; but just maybe they wanted a pic of someone painting while riding a horse.
Or maybe a horse painting while being ridden! Painting while riding a horse....now that's a niche! On Dreamtimes sometimes they show what the buyer searched for. I reckon about 5% of the time the search bears no relation whatsoever to the image and has none of the keywords. I guess sometimes the buyer clicks more by the artist and finds something they like! I wish sites would publish more about whats searched for.

« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2018, 04:00 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!
:-) Do you ever wonder what a searcher wanted? I've just seen I had a search yesterday for 'riding horse painting'. Probably they wanted a pic of a painting of someone riding a horse, or someone painting someone else riding a horse; but just maybe they wanted a pic of someone painting while riding a horse.

Most likely they were looking for photos of "Joe Bloggs" jeans or clothing

it was a UK brand way back in the 90's

ShadySue

« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2018, 04:26 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!
:-) Do you ever wonder what a searcher wanted? I've just seen I had a search yesterday for 'riding horse painting'. Probably they wanted a pic of a painting of someone riding a horse, or someone painting someone else riding a horse; but just maybe they wanted a pic of someone painting while riding a horse.

Most likely they were looking for photos of "Joe Bloggs" jeans or clothing

it was a UK brand way back in the 90's

It wasn't really Joe Bloggs.  It was "in the form of..." The actual name threw up several apparently well-known options when googled.
Of course, if someone wanted to see the works by a designer/artist/architect/maker, adding WOP would be a good way to do it.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 11:30 by ShadySue »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2018, 10:56 »
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And what eclectic searches. I had one recently in the form of "Joe Bloggs" (WOP) meaning 'without people'. My pic was of a church of "St Joe" designed by "Jim Bloggs", but it was WOP.
Which is why I treat people who claim to be expert in SEO and clever keywording strategies with scepticism!
:-) Do you ever wonder what a searcher wanted? I've just seen I had a search yesterday for 'riding horse painting'. Probably they wanted a pic of a painting of someone riding a horse, or someone painting someone else riding a horse; but just maybe they wanted a pic of someone painting while riding a horse.

Most likely they were looking for photos of "Joe Bloggs" jeans or clothing

it was a UK brand way back in the 90's

It wasn't really Joe Blogger.  It was "in the form of..." The actual name threw up several apparently well-known options when googled.
Of course, if someone wanted to see the works by a designer/artist/architect/maker, adding WOP would be a good way to do it.

Never knew that WOP was without People, where do buyers get the secret code list?

Italian American term and other Italian sources: Southern Italian immigrant males would often refer to one another as "guappo" in a jocular or playful manner; as these Southern Italian immigrants often worked as manual laborers in the United States, their native-born American employers and fellow laborers took notice of the Italians' playful term of address and eventually began deploying it as a derogatory term for all Italians. "WOP"

Just mentioning that WOP has some other meaning.  ;)

« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2018, 11:20 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2018, 11:24 »
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and I was just going to open another bag of popcorn ::)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2018, 11:24 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2018, 11:31 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Yes they do particularly the WP/WOP. Im not sure about what other sites use or even have these classisifications (with Alamy you specify the number of people in a photo for example)

ShadySue

« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2018, 11:33 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Buyers definitely use them. (Do you never look at Alamy measures?)

However, very few buyers seem to know (or even think to try) that putting ""..."" round a name or phrase leads to a much cleaner search (cutting out the St Joe/John Bloggs scenario).

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2018, 11:42 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Buyers definitely use them. (Do you never look at Alamy measures?)

However, very few buyers seem to know (or even think to try) that putting ""..."" round a name or phrase leads to a much cleaner search (cutting out the St Joe/John Bloggs scenario).

Will do, I do look at Alamy measures, just that after the fact, they don't tell me much about trends. Sometimes useful when I look at my own. The other part, do they use those on other sites? Should I be adding these abbreviations to SS for example?

Seems odd that DT or FS have anything to do with a search term. CO = correctional officer. ED is that Editorial, oh nevermind, I'm not going there.  :)

I'm just surprised that buyers would use letter abbreviations in a search instead of the words.


Or maybe they don't and that's just an indicator from Alamy of what they clicked, as it's reported to use with Alamy measures. In other words, the buyers are not using abbreviations?
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 12:00 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2018, 12:36 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?



Sorry Uncle Pete I was just expecting all and sundry to drop like a ton of sheet on your WOP comment  ;D

As I said its been a long day :(

« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2018, 12:36 »
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and I was just going to open another bag of popcorn ::)

I love popcorn  ;D

ShadySue

« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2018, 13:25 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Buyers definitely use them. (Do you never look at Alamy measures?)

However, very few buyers seem to know (or even think to try) that putting ""..."" round a name or phrase leads to a much cleaner search (cutting out the St Joe/John Bloggs scenario).

Will do, I do look at Alamy measures, just that after the fact, they don't tell me much about trends. Sometimes useful when I look at my own. The other part, do they use those on other sites? Should I be adding these abbreviations to SS for example?
I haven't a clue about SS, obviously.
But you don't add these abbreviations to your keywords on Alamy. Their system throws up files which match the criteria.
BTW, I have no idea how buyers know about them - I see the list of abbreviations on the side of a pseudonym's stats in Measures, but didn't see them on the Buy Images hints page.
BTW, another unusual search I've seen several times is [FS] only (no keywords), i.e. they want to see any files over a certain size.  ::)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2018, 15:19 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Buyers definitely use them. (Do you never look at Alamy measures?)

However, very few buyers seem to know (or even think to try) that putting ""..."" round a name or phrase leads to a much cleaner search (cutting out the St Joe/John Bloggs scenario).

Will do, I do look at Alamy measures, just that after the fact, they don't tell me much about trends. Sometimes useful when I look at my own. The other part, do they use those on other sites? Should I be adding these abbreviations to SS for example?
I haven't a clue about SS, obviously.
But you don't add these abbreviations to your keywords on Alamy. Their system throws up files which match the criteria.
BTW, I have no idea how buyers know about them - I see the list of abbreviations on the side of a pseudonym's stats in Measures, but didn't see them on the Buy Images hints page.
BTW, another unusual search I've seen several times is [FS] only (no keywords), i.e. they want to see any files over a certain size.  ::)

Yes and thanks for pointing out the [letters] are added by Alamy measures not something I should be worried about adding for better search. I thought that some people here were saying that buyers use Pan or Land for example in their searches, now I see it's just measures assigning those for our information.

Back to what you wrote about, what are they looking for, I have some of mine that are quite mysterious also. Like this... "potato steaming not steam not chease [RF]"  ;D and what they viewed was Chinese curried lamb with potatoes. LOL

About the WOP or Guappo (remember El Guapo from Three Amigos?) Porro from Marano Marchasata, Cozensa. (Southern dark Italians) Klinger isn't much more esteemed, Transylvanian Saxons, the lowest and smallest minority in that country. Doing just fine over here since all my Grandparents came to the new country, on a boat, and left behind pretty much everything and everyone.

As for SS, no I don't believe so? Example: (downloads per keyword)

    milwaukee
    55.8%
    skyline
    25.7%
    wisconsin
    13.3%
    lake
    1.8%
    city
    0.9%
    landscape
    0.9%
    park
    0.9%
    michigan
    0.9%

OR


    race
    44.2%
    car
    27.9%
    motor
    7%
    patrick
    4.7%
    motorsport
    4.7%
    danica
    4.7%
    auto
    2.3%
    automobile
    2.3%
    competition
    2.3%

   

ShadySue

« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2018, 15:49 »
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Lets not let this thread deteriorate in to ethnicity please, its been a long day down the hospital and the other thread has just gone up the spout and round the bend  ::)


But here's the list of terms used by Alamy :D

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People

DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

I'm half Italian, Southern part as well.  ;D Wasn't going down any other road, except terms can have more than one meaning.

Thanks for the list. Do buyers actually use them on Alamy and do they get used other places?


Buyers definitely use them. (Do you never look at Alamy measures?)

However, very few buyers seem to know (or even think to try) that putting ""..."" round a name or phrase leads to a much cleaner search (cutting out the St Joe/John Bloggs scenario).

Will do, I do look at Alamy measures, just that after the fact, they don't tell me much about trends. Sometimes useful when I look at my own. The other part, do they use those on other sites? Should I be adding these abbreviations to SS for example?
I haven't a clue about SS, obviously.
But you don't add these abbreviations to your keywords on Alamy. Their system throws up files which match the criteria.
BTW, I have no idea how buyers know about them - I see the list of abbreviations on the side of a pseudonym's stats in Measures, but didn't see them on the Buy Images hints page.
BTW, another unusual search I've seen several times is [FS] only (no keywords), i.e. they want to see any files over a certain size.  ::)

Yes and thanks for pointing out the [letters] are added by Alamy measures not something I should be worried about adding for better search. I thought that some people here were saying that buyers use Pan or Land for example in their searches, now I see it's just measures assigning those for our information.


I didn't say these words were added by Alamy measures. That would make no possible sense.
I said that I didn't know how customers know how to add these abbreviations
Actually, having connected my eyes to my brain, it's very, very obvious how buyers use these filters:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uwbtt1es2moicwz/Alamy%20search%20filters.jpg?dl=0
The filters ticked will map in measures to these abbreviations in Measures.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2018, 15:52 by ShadySue »

« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2018, 08:57 »
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I think everyone makes this mistake sometime in their career. I have (several times, unfortunately, and a couple times hurt quite a bit).

You have to remember you are dealing with people - not computers - and you can't start getting angry/annoyed/etc at some random person. Because then stuff like this can happen.

People do make mistakes (in other companies, i.e., alamy), so being polite/considerate - even though you might be steaming - is usually the best way to deal with it.



Look, I may have just caught the wrong rep at the wrong time. Has it been James or whoever you guys get, I would have agreed with all the positive rebukes and never made this post in the first place. But, I stand by "petty" and "easily offended" when that is how my direct private experience with them has been. I'm glad to hear many others experience much better than I have. I concede that "vindictive" may not accurate, an astounding coincidence with the timing and scale, but sure, coincidences happen. I retract that, for what it's worth.

"whining", "ego-tripping", "drama".  Throwing childish, unprovoked insults at one another probably discourages more agencies as well as contributors from posting on here than agency reps choosing whether or not to defend honest criticism.

« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2018, 12:24 »
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I'm not sure how much the QC rank counts for anything, but maybe someone knows better.
A lot of things on Alamy don't actually count for anything, e.g. 'discoverability' (causes more harm than good).

What do you mean by that ..?

ShadySue

« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2018, 13:41 »
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I'm not sure how much the QC rank counts for anything, but maybe someone knows better.
A lot of things on Alamy don't actually count for anything, e.g. 'discoverability' (causes more harm than good).
What do you mean by that ..?
Artificially inflating keywords leads to spamming and irrelevant searches.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2018, 16:31 by ShadySue »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2018, 15:47 »
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Yes and thanks for pointing out the [letters] are added by Alamy measures not something I should be worried about adding for better search. I thought that some people here were saying that buyers use Pan or Land for example in their searches, now I see it's just measures assigning those for our information.


I didn't say these words were added by Alamy measures. That would make no possible sense.
I said that I didn't know how customers know how to add these abbreviations
Actually, having connected my eyes to my brain, it's very, very obvious how buyers use these filters:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uwbtt1es2moicwz/Alamy%20search%20filters.jpg?dl=0
The filters ticked will map in measures to these abbreviations in Measures.

Let me restate that, Alamy Measures reports using the [letters] based on the searches, but if it's nothing we control, and it's Alamy Measures that marks these:

RM - Rights Managed
RF - Royalty-Free
PR - Property Released
MR - Model Released
Land - Landscape
Pt - Portrait
Pan - Panoramic
Sq - Square
C - Creative
WP - With People
WOP - Without People
DT - Date Taken
AE - Archive Excluded
FS - File Size
PH - Photograph
IL - Illustration
CO - Cut Outs

For us to see what was searched. I'm sure it's for them internally but they are nice enough to share with us. Yes, indirectly buyers do use those in their search, depending on what boxes they check, but the abbreviations are simply Alamy reporting language.

Some Choices are:

Age
   Any
   Baby
   Child
   Teenager
   Adult
   Senior
   See all ...
   
[WP]
Number of People
   Any
   None [WOP]
   1 Person
   2 People
   3 People
   4 People
   Groups or Crowds
   
Ethnicity
   Any
   African
   African American
   Caucasian
   Chinese
   Indian
   Japanese
   See all ...
   
Viewpoint
   Any
   Front
   Side
   Rear
   Profile
   
Location
   Any
   USA
   UK
   Europe
   
[Land]
[Pt]
[Pan]
[Sq]

Orientation
   Any
   Landscape
   Portrait
   Panoramic
   Square
   
[PH] [IL]
Image Type
   Any
   Photographs
   Illustrations
   
[DT]
Date Taken
   Any
   Last 7 days
   Last month
   Last 3 months
   Last 6 months
   Last 12 months
   Custom ...
   
[FS]
Minimum File Size

And yes to the "..." search for specifics which should be in red above the search bar.  :)


I'm not sure how much the QC rank counts for anything, but maybe someone knows better.
A lot of things on Alamy don't actually count for anything, e.g. 'discoverability' (causes more harm than good).

QC rank changes nothing, except the reviewers will look closer and not pass the whole batch, without checking more images. That is an answer I got from Alamy, not something I made up based on personal observation.

I agree that discoverability seems to encourage adding more words, just for the sake of more words, not for anything that improves the search, like minimum accurate and matching words.

« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2018, 13:43 »
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Artificially inflating keywords leads to spamming and irrelevant searches.
[/quote]

Isn't it so on all sites ..?

ShadySue

« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2018, 19:18 »
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Artificially inflating keywords leads to spamming and irrelevant searches.

Isn't it so on all sites ..?
[/quote]

Of course, but no other site actually encourages it with a silly 'turn the bar green' system.
Anyway, just because other sites do it doesn't mean you'd want your site to do it, does it?
I'm sure the site which sorts out search properly will prevail. Sadly, the desire of a proportion of contributors to want to spam will make that difficult to achieve.


 

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