Author Topic: Commission lowered to 20% (Read 30679 times)

kall3bu · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2021, 07:51 »

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 07:14

Quote from: kall3bu on May 21, 2021, 04:42
As I understand:
Set RM and we can optout that novel or private use, which to often is used from the customers for other use and alamy is not doing anything against that
Novel Use is an additional revenue option you can opt in/out for all your port globally, RF or RM.
Private use is an option you can opt in/out for each of your RM images only.

And if I opt out in both cases: RM still makes sense? - If Alamy anyway can sell them for RF and for free?
Well, we do not know how many customer buys via this and the other way. So ´usual´ buyer on Alamy, then RM still makes sense?

blue · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2021, 09:42 »

Quote from: kall3bu on May 21, 2021, 07:51

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 07:14
Quote from: kall3bu on May 21, 2021, 04:42
As I understand:
Set RM and we can optout that novel or private use, which to often is used from the customers for other use and alamy is not doing anything against that
Novel Use is an additional revenue option you can opt in/out for all your port globally, RF or RM.
Private use is an option you can opt in/out for each of your RM images only.

And if I opt out in both cases: RM still makes sense? - If Alamy anyway can sell them for RF and for free?
Well, we do not know how many customer buys via this and the other way. So ´usual´ buyer on Alamy, then RM still makes sense?

RM gives you more options (restrictions actually) than RF to manage the way your images can be licensed by Alamy. So yes, RM still makes sense in my opinion.

ShadySue · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2021, 11:16 »

For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #28 on:** May 21, 2021, 11:25 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:16

For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.

Maybe that answers my question? I can still have exclusive images on Alamy but they won't be paid at 50% anymore. The small benefit, might be, they will search for infringements. Yes, that pretty much removes any incentive for putting anything up on Alamy as exclusive.

blue · « **Reply #29 on:** May 21, 2021, 11:48 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:16

For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.

Thanks for sharing. No further information about the distributor's share...

ShadySue · « **Reply #30 on:** May 21, 2021, 11:52 »

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 11:48

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:16
For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.
Thanks for sharing. No further information about the distributor's share...

Well, no concrete information.

"We work with around 80 different distributors and the rate varies per partner. We always negotiate for the best deal available with each opportunity. We cannot share details of these individual contracts. We are working to add more partners to ensure we can reach as many potential customers around the world as possible. "

I've opted out of all distribution now.

blue · « **Reply #31 on:** May 21, 2021, 12:53 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:52

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 11:48
Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:16
For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.
Thanks for sharing. No further information about the distributor's share...
Well, no concrete information.
"We work with around 80 different distributors and the rate varies per partner. We always negotiate for the best deal available with each opportunity. We cannot share details of these individual contracts. We are working to add more partners to ensure we can reach as many potential customers around the world as possible. "

I've opted out of all distribution now.

Yes I’ve read it, not much surprising. I stay in with distribution for now and will see in July what the share are.

ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** May 21, 2021, 13:11 »

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 12:53

Yes I’ve read it, not much surprising. I stay in with distribution for now and will see in July what the share are.

True, you have a point. As I have accepted these sales up to now, I should maybe reconsider.
It's hard to know when we will find out how the new distribution charges will pan out. In July, almost all of our sales will have been made between April and June, when the current distribution breakdown should apply.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2021, 13:12 »

Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 12:53

Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:52
Quote from: blue on May 21, 2021, 11:48
Quote from: ShadySue on May 21, 2021, 11:16
For anyone who's interested, there has been a reply from Alamy over on their forum:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/14386-contract-change-2021-official-thread/?do=findComment&comment=287609
Doesn't look like there's any chance of a rethink on commission, but some other issues are addressed to some extent.
Thanks for sharing. No further information about the distributor's share...
Well, no concrete information.
"We work with around 80 different distributors and the rate varies per partner. We always negotiate for the best deal available with each opportunity. We cannot share details of these individual contracts. We are working to add more partners to ensure we can reach as many potential customers around the world as possible. "

I've opted out of all distribution now.
Yes I’ve read it, not much surprising. I stay in with distribution for now and will see in July what the share are.

The may sound wrong to some people, but I'd rather have a percentage of something from distributors, than 100% of nothing by opting out. If I thought my distributor sales at Alamy, were competition in any way, same markets or buyers, I'd change my view. These are partner sales from countries that I never have a view or sale from Adobe or SS, as far as I know?

I haven't gotten some of the horrid tiny commissions like others... yet?

I have had some smaller commissions. $10 net isn't too small to make me unhappy. But I also don't have Microstock on on Alamy, a tiny portion are the same, the majority are either exclusive or different types of images. I don't know why anyone would expect to get a bigger pay for the same Microstock images that they get 15% or 10 cents on other sites?

kall3bu · « **Reply #34 on:** May 26, 2021, 06:05 »

Maybe I am wrong, then please correct me!

Did anybody realize this?

Lets say, a new contributor starting to sell on alamy in coming July:

He is lucky, because he got sales in that month for a revenue of 50 Pounds.
How will Alamy calculate his payout? Alamy needs to know, how much he earned in the last 12 month. If above 250, he will get 40% for that sales in July, but has to wait for the decision from alamy another 11 month, right?
And as we know, Alamy often tells us about a sale up to three month later, so to be sure, this contributor has to wait all together 9 month for his payout?

Well, this includes more risk than already suspected for contributors who sometimes reaches a yearly payout of 250 and sometimes not.

Am I missing something?

So, if I am right: In worst case alamy can delay the payout up to 15 month, before alamy has to pay.
Exceptions only if this contributor reaching the 250 minimum before the year passed by.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #35 on:** May 26, 2021, 12:59 »

Alamy have just screwed themselves, in a few years time they will realise it.

marthamarks · « **Reply #36 on:** May 26, 2021, 14:16 »

Quote from: panicAttack on May 19, 2021, 10:30

for 2020 total revenue was 331 usd gross (my part was ofcorse lower)
for this year it's 72 gross

That truly is gross!

stockman11 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 26, 2021, 14:50 »

And I was thinking about starting to upload to them again. I guess they helped me to decide.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #38 on:** May 26, 2021, 18:32 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 19, 2021, 10:36

If they don't revise some of their new clauses in clear, unambiguous wording, I won't be there either.

Spoiler: they won't.

ShadySue · « **Reply #39 on:** May 26, 2021, 18:47 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on May 26, 2021, 18:32

Quote from: ShadySue on May 19, 2021, 10:36
If they don't revise some of their new clauses in clear, unambiguous wording, I won't be there either.

Spoiler: they won't.

Mebbes aye, mebbes naw. We shall see.

They have said they will, both in the forum and in emails received from the MD in response to specific questions (I got one).

Maybe their rewrite will add more levels of ambiguity.

If they don't, there's a mountain of mistrust they'll never flatten.
Levels of suspicion are already very high.

obj owl · « **Reply #40 on:** May 28, 2021, 14:30 »

When the shareholders in Alamy are in large part the buyers from Alamy it is only ever going to go one way for contributors.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #41 on:** June 01, 2021, 11:22 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on May 26, 2021, 12:59

Alamy have just screwed themselves, in a few years time they will realise it.

I'll guess you have made a correct prediction. Difficult enough for an agency that sells little and is difficult to work with, plus the convoluted pay system, time, little enforcement of who downloads and uses images (as they have self reporting of use). This will be a dagger in the heart of contributor tolerance.

With that, aside from some occasional Editorial, everything is going through WireStock to them in the future. I can't be bothered for the way Alamy operates, slow pay, no pay and now this?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #42 on:** August 03, 2021, 13:17 »

Interesting that Alamy sent out an email asking for more illustrations. "There's a growing demand from our customers for topical illustrations, vectors and mixed media designs."

I wrote back and said, what's the commission? Answer was, can you be more specific? So I wrote them, you used to pay 60%, then you cut to 50% and switched to 40% if images are not exclusive, but now you want to pay me 20% and 17% for partners. How much will I get for these much needed illustrations?

"Thanks for your email, please read the following important information.

For most questions, we encourage you to ask your knowledgeable fellow photographers over on the Alamy forum:

https://discussion.alamy.com/forum/19-community-support-ask-the-forum/.

Question about new contract?

The new contract is here and the key changes are listed here. The changes will come into place on 24th July 2021.

This is a business decision and you can read more about the reasons in our blog post written by the Managing Director of Alamy, Emily Shelley."

Nice dodge, non-answer, and a bunch more boilerplate, copy and paste text. Thank You Alamy - for your helpful answer, which was Ask the Forum

Not the agency I joined, which is sadly changing into a big zero.

Dumc · « **Reply #43 on:** August 06, 2021, 07:30 »

Can someone explain to me this percentages?

Those are all 24% my share. Is this supposed to be under new contract. I've made more than 250$ gross this year. Shouldn't I get 40% or 30% if it's distirbutor sale? Or were perecentegaes all cut on July 24th and you have to start all over again? I'm clueless.

kall3bu · « **Reply #44 on:** August 06, 2021, 09:34 »

Who knows!
Maybe start on 24 July and they check if you reached your 250 pounds unti 24 July 2022?
So, if you want them to give you the payout now, it might be calculate as you did not reach it. And if you wait a year - and Alamy can work with that money for a long year! - you MIGHT/hopefully reach the 250 limit and get the usual percentage. If you do not reach it, you get the 25 or maybe 20%?

I had this idea in my mind already when eyeEm started similar things, but in Quarter years. So they can delay the payout and get benefit from that on top!

BUT: Because they calculated 25% and not 20% in your case, I guess it is a totally other sale - maybe not direct sale on Alamy?

JoeClemson · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2021, 09:47 »

Quote from: Dumc on August 06, 2021, 07:30

Can someone explain to me this percentages?

Those are all 24% my share. Is this supposed to be under new contract. I've made more than 250$ gross this year. Shouldn't I get 40% or 30% if it's distirbutor sale? Or were perecentegaes all cut on July 24th and you have to start all over again? I'm clueless.

I'm pretty sure these are Alamy Distributor sales. For confirmation of that, and the way it's calculated, you need to contact [email protected].

However, I think it is calculated thus (using the second item in your sales account as an example)

Full licence amount = $127.36. Of that, 40% goes to the distributor $127.36 * 40% = $50.94
This leaves a residue of $76.42 ($127.36-$50.94) going to Alamy.
Alamy then calculate what is owing to themselves and the contributor.
Alamy retention = $76.42 * 60% = $45.85
Contributor commission = $76.42 * 40% = $30.57.

In short, you get 40% of what is left after the distributor takes their cut.

Note: I am neither an accountant nor a representative of Alamy, so my figures carry no authority, but the figures seem to make sense of what appears in your sales account. When you ask Contributor Relations for clarification, please let me know here whether I am right or wrong.

Dumc · « **Reply #46 on:** August 06, 2021, 10:09 »

I don't know, until now, with distributor sales you alway got 30% of total gross, not 40% of what is left. For example, 100$ gross, distributor gets 40$, me and alamy get 30$.

What bothers me is, I finally get some nice sales, and then I get this lowlife comissions.

EDIT: Maybe it was some kind of discount, because all 3 sales showed up at once, so I'm pretty sure, they're from the sam customer.

JoeClemson · « **Reply #47 on:** August 06, 2021, 10:24 »

Quote from: Dumc on August 06, 2021, 10:09

I don't know, until now, with distributor sales you alway got 30% of total gross, not 40% of what is left. For example, 100$ gross, distributor gets 40$, me and alamy get 30$.

What bothers me is, I finally get some nice sales, and then I get this lowlife comissions.

EDIT: Maybe it was some kind of discount, because all 3 sales showed up at once, so I'm pretty sure, they're from the sam customer.

As I say in my earlier post, the only way to get an authorititive explanation is to email Alamy contributor relations. However, the calculations I have set out seem to me to accord with the relevant clause in the contributor contract:

11.4 You agree that in respect of all sales made via Distributors, the Alamy Commission after deducting the Distributor’s commission or fee will reflect that of the applicable commission model as specified in the Alamy Commission Table.

I don't have many distributor sales on my account, but the few I have have all been calculated in this way: 40% to the distributor, the balance split between Alamy and contributor according to the commission model in force at the time.

I don't say it's a good thing. Indeed, part of my response to the recent contract changes at Alamy has been to opt out of personal use licence and distributor sales.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #48 on:** August 06, 2021, 10:41 »

Only bad and greedy agencies punish contributors for not making a treshold revenue. Selling stuff is their responsibility, once our content is accepted it's out of our hands. They have the marketing power to sell those images, so if anything they should get a commission cut if they fail to sell our stuff.

For Real · « **Reply #49 on:** August 06, 2021, 12:23 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on August 06, 2021, 10:41

Only bad and greedy agencies punish contributors for not making a treshold revenue. Selling stuff is their responsibility, once our content is accepted it's out of our hands. They have the marketing power to sell those images, so if anything they should get a commission cut if they fail to sell our stuff.

Agree! If agencies weren't so worried about the size of their inventory and more concern about the quality of the images we wouldn't have this issue at all.

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