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« on: August 05, 2010, 06:59 »
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Hi, never thought it was that fast, less then 5minutes and my QC was approved.. ok!

all landmarks and this beach..  http://www.dreamstime.com/beach-image11787171

wanna ask something regarding this beach photo, there are persons yeh but their aren't recognizable, I wanna place it as RF like the others but cannot right?? at least in Alamy no?
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 07:02 by luissantos84 »


« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 07:05 »
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Yes, you can place your RF photo that you have on other micro sites on Alamy as RF.

« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 07:16 »
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Yes but I will say there are no people on the photo?? I am talking when adding the caption desc etc..

« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 07:28 »
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Yes but I will say there are no people on the photo?? I am talking when adding the caption desc etc..


I would say something like "beach scene with unrecognizable people". Not sure if they would require model releases though. I am not too familiar with Alamy's policies, maybe someone else with more knowledge about that will jump in here to answer that question.

I have a similar photo, on the beach, with tiny unrecognizable people, that got accepted at all the micros without a release, so my guess is that it would be ok on Alamy. Here's how I handled my description:

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-13132288-by-the-sea.php

Hope that helps.

« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 07:33 »
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I have place it as no people, then will see :P thanks!

« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 07:45 »
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I have place it as no people, then will see :P thanks!

I was in the same situation. I had a beach with unrecognizable people, and I asked Alamy support do I need a MR> And they told me I gotta have a MR, otherwise, I have to delete the image. :(

« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 08:52 »
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Any photos that I have people in, I either choose to put them on the micros or only on alamy as RM.  I don't have many photos with people on the micros but I do sell some on alamy.

« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 12:27 »
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Unfortunately, if you want to sell that photo as RF on Alamy, you gotta have a model release. It doesn't matter if people are recognizable or not. Alamy is pretty strict about it.

« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 14:07 »
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Unfortunately, if you want to sell that photo as RF on Alamy, you gotta have a model release. It doesn't matter if people are recognizable or not. Alamy is pretty strict about it.
Alamy is always fast in QC. never more than 24 hours, if your approval rate is high.
As for people, and MR, I think at 49MB or the new 24MB+ it could require MR. but yes, agree, it's impssible to
get MR for everyone on the beach. To clone off empty beach would look not to appealing. Best ask Support,
they always very reasonable and  extremely helpful.  Only complain for me is Alamy don't sell so good.

« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 14:36 »
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I have joined once many photographers told me that they have earned a few bucks so why not? I will upload 5/day :)

saniphoto

« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 05:37 »
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imagine this: I am going to search an image of a beach on Alamy. I find this one yours. I may like it, but before buying it I go check in microstock if there is something better there and imagine what? I may found your same image! I will say to myself: this guy is a cheater (not to say worse). So, obviously I will not license your image in Alamy and will put your name in my 'black list'.
One news for those who think is 'fair' to send the same images in Alamy and microstock: who buy images today is perfectly aware of microstock and will check there before commit to licensing an image in Alamy. I found many times images better in micro than in Alamy and changed my mind. Sometimes, on the contrary, found images that were ONLY available in Alamy. In this cases the image was licensed from there.
To sum it up. You CAN surely submit RF images to micro and Alamy (there is no contract clause against it, in fact), but you are not doing any good to yourself.
You would be better sending there different images. Buyers aren't silly and they DO ready forums and blogs... they know that many of microstockers send now all or part of their portfolios in Alamy and you just told them in a public forum, what you are doing! 

« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2010, 06:16 »
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considering it is a EL licence, with all the price drops and promotions over the past year or so, for a small size alamy is now often cheaper than the micros.

« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2010, 06:28 »
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imagine this: I am going to search an image of a beach on Alamy. I find this one yours. I may like it, but before buying it I go check in microstock if there is something better there and imagine what? I may found your same image! I will say to myself: this guy is a cheater (not to say worse). So, obviously I will not license your image in Alamy and will put your name in my 'black list'.
One news for those who think is 'fair' to send the same images in Alamy and microstock: who buy images today is perfectly aware of microstock and will check there before commit to licensing an image in Alamy. I found many times images better in micro than in Alamy and changed my mind. Sometimes, on the contrary, found images that were ONLY available in Alamy. In this cases the image was licensed from there.
To sum it up. You CAN surely submit RF images to micro and Alamy (there is no contract clause against it, in fact), but you are not doing any good to yourself.
You would be better sending there different images. Buyers aren't silly and they DO ready forums and blogs... they know that many of microstockers send now all or part of their portfolios in Alamy and you just told them in a public forum, what you are doing! 
I used to think like that but alamy have done nothing to discourage microstock images on their site.  There are obviously some buyers who will use them instead of the micros, possibly because they have a different license or perhaps because they have no problem paying a higher fee.

I have started uploading some of my microstock images, under a different pseudonym, I would of preferred it if alamy had started a separate microstock section but that was their decision.

« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2010, 06:49 »
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imagine this: I am going to search an image of a beach on Alamy. I find this one yours. I may like it, but before buying it I go check in microstock if there is something better there and imagine what? I may found your same image! I will say to myself: this guy is a cheater (not to say worse). So, obviously I will not license your image in Alamy and will put your name in my 'black list'.
Actually that's what happens to those buyers that installed the PicScout plugin for FireFox. The app does image recognition and it will put a blue bullet on every shot on Alamy that is on DT too. With a link of course. "Best Buy" automatized, and there are more sites like that in the making. The PicScout stunt made a major row on the Alamy forums, I heard. It has the potential to destroy Alamy for those stockers that upload the same shots to Alamy and microstock.

« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2010, 06:51 »
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I have started uploading some of my microstock images, under a different pseudonym
That won't help. Apps like PicScout do image recognition.

« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2010, 07:19 »
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I have started uploading some of my microstock images, under a different pseudonym
That won't help. Apps like PicScout do image recognition.
The different pseudonym is to protect my RM portfolio.  I doubt there is a blacklist but if there is, my RM portfolio is only on alamy and wont be affected.

« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2010, 07:23 »
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Actually that's what happens to those buyers that installed the PicScout plugin for FireFox. The app does image recognition and it will put a blue bullet on every shot on Alamy that is on DT too. With a link of course. "Best Buy" automatized, and there are more sites like that in the making. The PicScout stunt made a major row on the Alamy forums, I heard. It has the potential to destroy Alamy for those stockers that upload the same shots to Alamy and microstock.

So actually uploading your micro portfolio to Alamy is a good way to increase exposure  ;D Finally those files may start selling on DT  ;)


...with the added benefit of the occasional Alamy buyer without knowledge of such tools...

« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2010, 08:06 »
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there is one shopping mall with world class service that wants to sell my shampoo, then my shampoo is also sold in a local grocery shop that wants to sell my shampoo too. Am i bad person to sell them in that way?

will a designer or images buyer will really 'blacklist' someone for this reason? I will think that most buyers bought something from certain agency is because he like the agencies service, the agency response is good, honour business.

I put my shoe that i am a designer in ABC company, i will just use the agency my company like it, and stick with it, why i have to spend time to find where i can get the cheapest price of same images? I may just stick with the agency that had worked good relationship with my company.

in business world, sometimes it is relationship between company that counts.

« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2010, 09:17 »
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I have started uploading some of my microstock images, under a different pseudonym
That won't help. Apps like PicScout do image recognition.
The different pseudonym is to protect my RM portfolio.  I doubt there is a blacklist but if there is, my RM portfolio is only on alamy and wont be affected.

Also, your name is next to the pseudonym, under the "Credit line". Am I right?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2010, 09:22 by borg »

« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2010, 09:32 »
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^^^ If you use a pseudonym, that is placed in the credit line.  I don't see my real name anywhere in that collection and the buyers have credited the photo to my pseudonym.

« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2010, 09:34 »
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^^^ If you use a pseudonym, that is placed in the credit line.  I don't see my real name anywhere in that collection and the buyers have credited the photo to my pseudonym.
Really, thanks!

« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2010, 15:21 »
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imagine this: I am going to search an image of a beach on Alamy. I find this one yours. I may like it, but before buying it I go check in microstock if there is something better there and imagine what? I may found your same image! I will say to myself: this guy is a cheater (not to say worse). So, obviously I will not license your image in Alamy and will put your name in my 'black list'.
One news for those who think is 'fair' to send the same images in Alamy and microstock: who buy images today is perfectly aware of microstock and will check there before commit to licensing an image in Alamy. I found many times images better in micro than in Alamy and changed my mind. Sometimes, on the contrary, found images that were ONLY available in Alamy. In this cases the image was licensed from there.
To sum it up. You CAN surely submit RF images to micro and Alamy (there is no contract clause against it, in fact), but you are not doing any good to yourself.
You would be better sending there different images. Buyers aren't silly and they DO ready forums and blogs... they know that many of microstockers send now all or part of their portfolios in Alamy and you just told them in a public forum, what you are doing! 

Everything has a opinion and I respect it and love to hear about! :)

But how many arent at Alamy?? I am not talking about the big ones, everybody has pictures there, why not me?

« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2010, 15:23 »
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imagine this: I am going to search an image of a beach on Alamy. I find this one yours. I may like it, but before buying it I go check in microstock if there is something better there and imagine what? I may found your same image! I will say to myself: this guy is a cheater (not to say worse). So, obviously I will not license your image in Alamy and will put your name in my 'black list'.
One news for those who think is 'fair' to send the same images in Alamy and microstock: who buy images today is perfectly aware of microstock and will check there before commit to licensing an image in Alamy. I found many times images better in micro than in Alamy and changed my mind. Sometimes, on the contrary, found images that were ONLY available in Alamy. In this cases the image was licensed from there.
To sum it up. You CAN surely submit RF images to micro and Alamy (there is no contract clause against it, in fact), but you are not doing any good to yourself.
You would be better sending there different images. Buyers aren't silly and they DO ready forums and blogs... they know that many of microstockers send now all or part of their portfolios in Alamy and you just told them in a public forum, what you are doing! 

how about placing your work in the cheapest agency and stay just in that one so you arent going to cheat buyers... COME ON!

« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2010, 16:28 »
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Yuri does that too. I don't think his business suffers from it....

RacePhoto

« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2010, 23:59 »
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I have place it as no people, then will see :P thanks!

But it does have people!

The reasoning for putting how many people isn't model release or not, it's so the buyer can search for images with people or without people. At least that's my impression of it. Alamy also has the questions about model release or not. Your image would make me select No Release Needed and let the buyer decide.

The end user is responsible for use of an image. If they don't think it needs a model release and they use it, that's their decision.

The whole discussion of what to sell RF on micro or Alamy or both is ridiculous because all images are not the same. RF of a sliced tomato is not the same as RF of girl with a headset with a release and not the same as a one of a kind RF photo of something else.

The only universal answer that makes sense is, if it's RF anywhere, it's RF forever and everywhere. No mixed cross licensing.

Buyers aren't stupid and they don't live in a vacuum. If you want to use Alamy to market your shots on SS for a quarter, or 50c on DT, that's fine with me. It just seems a lot of effort to upload, keyword and place them, large size, if the idea is to sell them someplace else?  ;D


 

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