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incamerastock

  • Pro stock photographer/Agency owner
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2013, 02:17 »
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Glad you're doing well, as I said earlier my point was to make sure potential contributors aren't being mislead by your claim to get them on Page 1 of the search results - I'm glad you've confirmed that isn't guaranteed.

BTW - You are targetting the terms I mentioned, whether you define it that way or not, because some of those words are in your 'essential' keywords for your images on Alamy. Again as I mentioned earlier be careful on basing too much of your statistics on what you see in 'All of Alamy', even Alamy admit that those results are from, and I quote - "Any signed up individual client who has spent over a certain threshold with Alamy." it's not as many as you may think.

Shame and surprised you've decided not to post here again as I'd be interested to hear your answer to bhr's last post, especially considering Alamy's Diversity Algorithm policy, if I was a potential contributor through you I'd be concerned that you'd shift all my best selling images into the pseudonym with all your own personal work in it, therefore boosting your search ranking and sales for the pseudonym containing your personal images, whilst the rest of my stuff gets 'edited' into another pseudo, it'd be good to have your confirmation that wouldn't happen.

If you do read this, as a suggestion why not give out details for some of the independent photographers who you currently distribute for, I couldn't find any details of other photographers on your site and your portfolio on Alamy doesn't list any names either (unusual approach IMO as most other distributors credit the photographer by name) so that others can gauge their success.

I'm really not prepared to go into the fine mechanics of how my business works with an anonymous forum account. Sorry!  You claim to have many years knowledge of Alamy but but in reality I have no way of telling if you really have. Anonymity offers zero credibility in my eyes. Some of your misunderstanding of how Alamy works makes me question your 'advice' which I neither courted nor need. 

People with whom I wish to work are given full details before they sign a contract. End of conversation (apart from the fact that you'll no doubt ensure you have the last word...).

Jon


incamerastock

  • Pro stock photographer/Agency owner
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2013, 02:18 »
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MSG folks, thank you for your time. As a result, I've had some lovely email exchanges with potential contributors over the last 24 hours and I'll be looking at your folios asap.

For anyone reading this thread from the start, you need to decide whether I am here to exploit you, or whether I am here to help you for a fair reward. It's a simple as that. All my details are laid bare above, I'm all over the internet and I'm not hiding behind a screen of forum anonymity.

http://incamerastock.com
http://www.jonboyes.com

For further reading about me and my business please see the interview I did with John Lund earlier this year and draw your own conclusions:

http://blog.johnlund.com/2013/01/stock-photographer-jon-boyes-interview.html

Thanks again, over and out (and back to work!)

Jon

« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2013, 04:25 »
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Glad you're doing well, as I said earlier my point was to make sure potential contributors aren't being mislead by your claim to get them on Page 1 of the search results - I'm glad you've confirmed that isn't guaranteed.

BTW - You are targetting the terms I mentioned, whether you define it that way or not, because some of those words are in your 'essential' keywords for your images on Alamy. Again as I mentioned earlier be careful on basing too much of your statistics on what you see in 'All of Alamy', even Alamy admit that those results are from, and I quote - "Any signed up individual client who has spent over a certain threshold with Alamy." it's not as many as you may think.

Shame and surprised you've decided not to post here again as I'd be interested to hear your answer to bhr's last post, especially considering Alamy's Diversity Algorithm policy, if I was a potential contributor through you I'd be concerned that you'd shift all my best selling images into the pseudonym with all your own personal work in it, therefore boosting your search ranking and sales for the pseudonym containing your personal images, whilst the rest of my stuff gets 'edited' into another pseudo, it'd be good to have your confirmation that wouldn't happen.

If you do read this, as a suggestion why not give out details for some of the independent photographers who you currently distribute for, I couldn't find any details of other photographers on your site and your portfolio on Alamy doesn't list any names either (unusual approach IMO as most other distributors credit the photographer by name) so that others can gauge their success.

I'm really not prepared to go into the fine mechanics of how my business works with an anonymous forum account. Sorry!  You claim to have many years knowledge of Alamy but but in reality I have no way of telling if you really have. Anonymity offers zero credibility in my eyes. Some of your misunderstanding of how Alamy works makes me question your 'advice' which I neither courted nor need. 

People with whom I wish to work are given full details before they sign a contract. End of conversation (apart from the fact that you'll no doubt ensure you have the last word...).

Jon
This is a forum, so you're going to get people giving their opinions.  Sometimes they might not be that friendly and they might disagree with you.  Perhaps you need to accept that?  I've been doing this for many years and I think RT is one of the wisest posters on this forum and I've no doubt he knows more about selling on alamy than almost anyone else here.  It's quite easy to find out who most of the people here are if you really want to but most of us deleted links to our portfolios to put off the copycats.  So you really shouldn't think every anonymous poster has zero credibility.

RT


« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2013, 05:11 »
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I'm really not prepared to go into the fine mechanics of how my business works with an anonymous forum account. Sorry!  You claim to have many years knowledge of Alamy but but in reality I have no way of telling if you really have. Anonymity offers zero credibility in my eyes. Some of your misunderstanding of how Alamy works makes me question your 'advice' which I neither courted nor need. 

People with whom I wish to work are given full details before they sign a contract. End of conversation (apart from the fact that you'll no doubt ensure you have the last word...).

Jon


It doesn't really matter whether you think I have any credibility - I'm not the one trying to sell something here you are.

I've questioned a few of your claims and asked some counter-questions based on facts for which I've given examples, you've side stepped some of the questions and taken a defensive approach rather than just answer them, unusual for someone offering a service to others.

You say I have a misunderstanding of how Alamy works, and yet I've quoted directly from Alamy who I think everybody will agree have the best understanding of anyone (irrelevant of my personal experience) - here's a link to their site that explains how their search engine works, which includes the text I quoted in my earlier reply to you - http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/alamysearch-engine-explained.asp

Maybe you've come to a microstock forum, with I assume (IMO) a belief that many folk here are naive of how the stock industry works, I can tell you that there are many here who have more knowledge, experience and success than you'll ever find in the ranks of Alamy. Having said that there are many that may find a service, such as the one you're offering, of some use - lot's of people read this forum and take great value in the questions asked by the more experienced members because we ask things they maybe wouldn't think of asking, so rather than take a defensive "I'm not discussing my business with an anonymous forum account" why not just answer the questions, give some examples of other photographers who sell through you and maybe be a bit more transparent.

Here's some transparency as I see it - You're an experienced photographer with a very good search ranking on Alamy, and now you've started an agency (you've got 14k images please don't 'big it up' anymore than that) and want to offer your services to people, which I'm sure will be useful to some - absolutely nothing wrong with that and I wish you success.


Ron

« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2013, 05:21 »
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Never mind
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 05:55 by Ron »

ShadySue

« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2013, 07:07 »
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- 'young blond woman' is a targeted search term, and you don't appear on page 1 (by the way I used that spelling because it's how you have it spelled in your description).
The description isn't searchable, but, assuming that blonde is an important keyword (I don't know the image to which you refer) I'd keyword 'blonde' for a female in esskeys and probably also 'blond' in mainkeys, as reading the forums it seems that Americans often use 'blond' referring to females.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2013, 19:50 »
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Mostly in jokes.  :)

Yes, pick your poison and language and words carefully. But include all that apply to meet the variety of language variations between English and English. I'd say put the most common (in your opinion) in the Essential and the optional in Main. With 50 characters someone who can hit the bare essence and keywords that are relevant, should do better than someone who just uses volume to match everything, which will get them buried on Alamy.

Accurate and concise keywords are more important on Alamy than any other agency.


- 'young blond woman' is a targeted search term, and you don't appear on page 1 (by the way I used that spelling because it's how you have it spelled in your description).
The description isn't searchable, but, assuming that blonde is an important keyword (I don't know the image to which you refer) I'd keyword 'blonde' for a female in esskeys and probably also 'blond' in mainkeys, as reading the forums it seems that Americans often use 'blond' referring to females.


 

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