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madelaide · « **on:** January 30, 2007, 17:35 »

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CrystalGraphics: an associate?

Opt out is available. They say CrystalGraphics is their only associate, but I think there was a thread before about some other site reselling BigStock images.

Regards,
Adelaide

GeoPappas · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2007, 17:59 »

Quote from: madelaide on January 30, 2007, 17:35

Hot on BigStock Forum:

CrystalGraphics: an associate?

Opt out is available. They say CrystalGraphics is their only associate, but I think there was a thread before about some other site reselling BigStock images.

Regards,
Adelaide

CrystalGraphics is selling web size images for $8.00 and print size image for $69.00.

Is BigStock giving 50% royalties based on those prices or are they still giving members 0.50 or 1.00?

If they are doing the latter, I wouldn't think that was very fair (since they are probably receiving a nice cut for themselves).

madelaide · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2007, 18:03 »

From Dawn's post to that thread:

"They sell two different ways and in one method your commission is the same .50 you make here (but the image they supply is only 600-800 px in size -- smaller than what we sell here) and in the other method you earn 33% of the percentage we charge them -- again, the same basic commission structure we normally use."

And from Tim's post:

"Yes they sell for $69 as you all know and you get $7.59 of that. They are resellers. With their help we are able to get you much higher commissions for the same exact photo you earn .50 or $1 for here, under the same exact terms (this appears to be a very good thing). I can't stress this enough: you can get .50 here or $7.59 via the reseller. Under the SAME exact usage terms."

Regards,
Adelaide

litifeta · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2007, 18:21 »

I cannot find how to submit to crystal graphics? direct I mean

GeoPappas · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2007, 19:15 »

Quote from: madelaide on January 30, 2007, 18:03

From Dawn's post to that thread:

"They sell two different ways and in one method your commission is the same .50 you make here (but the image they supply is only 600-800 px in size -- smaller than what we sell here) and in the other method you earn 33% of the percentage we charge them -- again, the same basic commission structure we normally use."

And from Tim's post:

"Yes they sell for $69 as you all know and you get $7.59 of that. They are resellers. With their help we are able to get you much higher commissions for the same exact photo you earn .50 or $1 for here, under the same exact terms (this appears to be a very good thing). I can't stress this enough: you can get .50 here or $7.59 via the reseller. Under the SAME exact usage terms."

I'm not too happy about this.

First, it wasn't announced. That's the first sign that something is wrong.

Second, our full-size images increased in price from $2 (@ BigStock) to $69 (@CG), an increase of $67 and we receive an additional $6.59 (or < 10% royalty). So the other 90% of the profit is being split between the two companies. Not exactly a fair arrangement if you ask me.

Third, we were never asked if putting the images on another site was alright. Which means that they feel that they can put the images on any site they please without our permission.

Fourth, although they now offer an opt-out option, they really should have made it an opt-in option. Not everyone reads these forums and most artists are probably unaware that their images are being sold on a site that they have never heard of.

madelaide · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2007, 20:17 »

This kind of deal was discussed a while ago, and according to BigStock:

Photographers: Feedback please - Reselling of images

We are exploring a new way to expand sales for everyone. Licensed resellers who would sell all the same images BigStock sells, under the SAME EXACT TERMS of Use (that's important) - but at higher prices. The resellers will pay us a royalty and we of course split that with you, in this case 50/50. Our current Terms agreement that everyone agreed to says "BigStockPhoto has the right to license any content up until the time Member removes the file from the Website." so this is nothing new that you haven't agreed to... but still, it's a big time and expense investment from our side technically to set this up and I just wanted to toss this out to you to make sure nobody has any big objections to making a lot more than .50 per image, for selling their images, under the EXACT same terms you are selling them under here. It's a real win-win. Same terms you are selling under now, but for more money.

An opt-in/out option was suggested back then, but only now was implemented. If they are right about the agreement, then they had the right to do so even without our permission.

About the commission, they explained in the recent thread:

"BigStock gets 25% of the $69 then we give you 44% of that which is 11% of the $69."

Regards,
Adelaide

CJPhoto · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:32 »

I dont have a problem with it. However, i beleive we should get 33% of the actual sale price, not BigStock cut.

snem · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2007, 04:10 »

where is the option to opt-out? thanks for this information

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