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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Photography Equipment => Cameras / Lenses => Topic started by: leaf on September 22, 2008, 07:54
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.. ok.. well no, it is not in stock, but I want to know when it is.
BHphoto aren't accepting preorders it seems, and their 'notify me when in stock' button has been maxed out. I am hoping to get this camera before the middle of December for a trip I am going on, but have a feeling the day they get the 5D in, they are going to be sold out in short order.
So how about, as soon as one of us finds that BHphoto has the camera in stock, we post here and notify others who also want to make a quick purchase?!
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Adorama accepted my pre-order. I like them a lot, much better used items selection than BH. No affiliation
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I am so concerned about the over demand too. My only chance to get the camera from the us is about xmas time.I hope they will have enough items to fulfill the demands.
I have asked a friend visiting US xmas time. do you think I could buy/pay the camera with my credit card and get it sent to her address in the US? I know they got restrictions if you pay by paypal but do they have sth similar for payments with plastic?
ete:btw I surely will be watching BH to see when they have it in stock or when they take orders.
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Adorama accepted my pre-order. I like them a lot, much better used items selection than BH. No affiliation
ahh.. yeah, i guess i could try ordering from there!.hmmm...
@stockfoto
Yeah, i think bhphoto are pretty picky. Your foreign mastercard address has to match your shipping address (if i remember correctly)
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yes they are very picky indeed,I guess I'll have to find a way to sort it out or I may try adorama as well.(may be l should contact them first)
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Adorama accepted my pre-order. I like them a lot, much better used items selection than BH. No affiliation
Thank you for the recommendation for Adorama; we always appreciate when satisfied Adorama Customers let others know about us!
However should you ever experience a problem, or have a query, regarding goods or services from Adorama, please don't hesitate to contact me directly: [email protected]
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
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Ahhhh! I want one, but I'm with Nikon. I'm still waiting for a Nikon 16mpx fullframe and Canon have already two 21 mpx!!! Please Nikon I become more and more crazy everyday to see all these Canon people showing their new cameras between themselves. Where's my crazy Nikon full frame camera that will make jealous these Canon guys ??? whaaaa!
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Stop playing with your cameras in front of me you Canonnist :P
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just pre ordered one from Adorama
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Seriously no affiliation -
thanks Helen for chiming in - it's better to have a contact and not needing it than to be stuck standing in the rain without a peep from the company one has a problem with.
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Hey Vonkara,
I join your team. maybe if we scream hard enough, Nikon will release that 24mp full frame camera. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes thank you... And the new camera will have for name (KR) D800 or something like. KR for "Keanu Reeves", because it will save us all Nikonnist from going Cannonnist
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Thank you for the recommendation for Adorama; we always appreciate when satisfied Adorama Customers let others know about us!
Since you are browsing Helen, how about organising some discounts for the 40,000 or so stock photographers around the place
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Thank you for the recommendation for Adorama; we always appreciate when satisfied Adorama Customers let others know about us!
Since you are browsing Helen, how about organising some discounts for the 40,000 or so stock photographers around the place
If it were down to me, I'd give you all HUGE discounts, on everything!! But it isn't.............so I've forwarded your request to the Marketing Department; I can't guarantee what will come back, but I will certainly re-post if there is anything doing
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
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Very nice!
I'm usually a B&H guy but if Adorama can put together a very nice package for us I'd be willing to try them out. B&H, although service is great, refuses to give loyalty discounts even though I've spent over $10K there and no back every year.
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I agree, and I've spent more than $18000 with B&H.
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I agree, and I've spent more than $18000 with B&H.
Its really disappointing that they can't see that loyalty. I will be going elsewhere if I need something for sure.
Anyways, hopefully the marketing people at Adorama can see the potential to steal away a few customers from B&H
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Do they (Adorama) sell to Europe?
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Do they (Adorama) sell to Europe?
We certainly do!
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
[email protected]
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Do they (Adorama) sell to Europe?
We certainly do!
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
[email protected]
Good to know. If we (customers from Europe) can pay with paypal it will be great.
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yes Paypal would be great :)
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Adorama, shipping to USA is free, but in Europe is
FedEx International Economy
$191.70
+ custom oficials fee about 200$ when it arrives...
so for eos 50D 1400+190+200 = 1800$
that is a little bit too much. :(
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but .... Still worth it due to the difference of prices between Europe and US
Is $ 191.70 includes custom taxes?
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no, just shipping 190.
custom taxes are about aditional 200.
I calculated for EOS 50D (1800$ = 1240 euro), and here it costs 1300 eur (I have warranty near my place, and instant delivery :D)
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no, just shipping 190.
custom taxes are about aditional 200.
I calculated for EOS 50D (1800$ = 1240 euro), and here it costs 1300 eur (I have warranty near my place, and instant delivery :D)
It's about 1050€ on ebay, uk shop. Don't know how much import tax you have, luckily we don't have any (just have to be careful that the item is not shipped from hong kong).
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I had a bad experience when I purchased from Adorama. After ordering online they called me so that they could hard sell me on other things. I don't like it when someone tries to upsell me after I've already made the purchase and especially don't like it when the person doing the hard sale is lying to me in order to make the sale. That was just my experience and maybe it was a unique one but I don't think so. I've only purchased from B&H and Amazon since then.
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I had a bad experience when I purchased from Adorama. After ordering on line they called me so that they could hard sell me on other things. I don't like it when someone tries to upsell me after I've already made the purchase and especially don't like it when the person doing the hard sale is lying to me in order to make the sale. That was just my experience and maybe it was a unique one but I don't think so. I've only purchased from B&H and Amazon since then.
You don't say when this happened; I would estimate over 12 months ago?
There has been substantial investment in staff training during the past year, and restructuring within certain departments. Of course, as with any large company, it only takes one or two employees to damage the image of an entire company - and every other employee within it.
I can only apologise, and hope that you would consider shopping with us again. If you were to find this - or any thing else in our customer service -unacceptable, happening again, please don't hesitate to contact me again, directly.
Sincerely
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
[email protected]
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I agree, and I've spent more than $18000 with B&H.
Its really disappointing that they can't see that loyalty. I will be going elsewhere if I need something for sure.
Anyways, hopefully the marketing people at Adorama can see the potential to steal away a few customers from B&H
Well, you have us all a-buzzing here at Adorama! It would be the first time we've tried anything like this - so anyone with any bright ideas, please let me know. To avoid this thread getting way out of hand (& off topic), is it possible that your thoughts or ideas could come to me through your moderator / list owner? We could then look at linking him / her directly to someone in our marketing team.
You do need to be aware that we are approaching our annual vacation period, so we wouldn't be able to progress this until the end of October. That, though, gives time for some creative thinking on the part of forum contributors.
Helen
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I agree, and I've spent more than $18000 with B&H.
Its really disappointing that they can't see that loyalty. I will be going elsewhere if I need something for sure.
Anyways, hopefully the marketing people at Adorama can see the potential to steal away a few customers from B&H
What really tweaked me, is that they wouldn't price match Amazon, first of all, and then 1.5 months later, they dropped the price on the Mk3 $200, and wouldn't refund it to me.
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To anyone who hasn't done business with Adorama and wonders about their level of service, I would highly recommend them.
I have been buying camera gear there for about 8 years and never had any problems with hard selling or any other customer service issues. I have also had to return some things over the years and never had any problem with that either.
In fact, I have an order pending with them right now for some lighting.
I already pre-ordered my 5D II at Amazon because I like their 30 day return policy, but if Adorama should come up with a discount or some other offer and could match the 30 day return policy I would definitely buy from them instead.
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I would appreciate a discount just as much as the next guy/gal but I am having a hard time seeing it happening on an item that is going to be in such short supply. What I can see, is a special deal on these new extra large cards (64GB or 32GB) since we will be needing them for our video adventures 8)
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I have bought stuff from them too Lisa.
I am in Australia, and the reason I chose them was they accept PayPal.
The stuff arrived fast, well packed, and all enquiries were dealt with professionally.
HOWEVER, I just think the $millions the people from this forum alone spend on gear each year deserves something better.
The manufacturers run around pleasing the pros with sponsorship etc, and we get nothing. I would hope a big place like Adorama might be able to build something we could join, therefore we show our committment, and then they go back to their suppliers and ask them to sharpen their pencils.
A big discount. That is what I want.
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I have bought stuff from them too Lisa.
I am in Australia, and the reason I chose them was they accept PayPal.
The stuff arrived fast, well packed, and all enquiries were dealt with professionally.
Interesting. I am in Australia too. I spend +10k with B&H. However, they only accept Paypal for US/UK/Canada citizens, so I paid via CC
How much is Adorama shipping to Australia? A 5D from B&H to Australia is about 65US$
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I have already purchased in Adorama when in NY. I always get dizzy in such stores, so much to choose from! ;D
If it wasn't for the complication in case of any problem that needs a return or change, I would happily buy online and pay import fees. Photo equipment in general is so expensive here in Brazil.
Regards,
Adelaide
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Yes it would be great to have Adorama to give us a good discount. If they make us a good price I would buy from them from Germany. I just hope the shipping cost would not be high, because this would be taxed as well. I plan to spend a couple of thousands in the next years on gear.
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I would buy from Adorama if the deal was right. Here in the UK, prices are way more expensive than in the US. I have bought lenses from the US in the past, and saved loads of money.
There is a vast customer base just waiting to be tapped!
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I would buy from Adorama if the deal was right. Here in the UK, prices are way more expensive than in the US. I have bought lenses from the US in the past, and saved loads of money.
There is a vast customer base just waiting to be tapped!
I'll second that
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I would buy from Adorama if the deal was right.
I don't think they will leave us waiting too long to find out.
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In Australia, in normal retail sales the profit margin for these sorts of consumer goods is 25 - 32%. This does not of course take into consideration the skimming for the early adapters.
A company will make choice of pricing strategies dependent upon whether it chooses market penetration (lower price) or skimming (higher price).
Added to this is a distributor margin of about 7%. Even the biggies like Best Buy still use the distributor network simply because of the logistic advantages.
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Sounds great, but i´m also with Nikon since 30 years and waiting for the 3Dx (24.4 MP).
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Sounds great, but i´m also with Nikon since 30 years and waiting for the 3Dx (24.4 MP).
Dare to dream
What is probably most important here is that this is the limit for most lens performance, so anymore in the MP is just too much. Plus I really dont' want to store 25MB RAW files :)
So after the 5D its probably the MK IV for me with fps priority over size of files
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I had a bad experience when I purchased from Adorama. After ordering online they called me so that they could hard sell me on other things. I don't like it when someone tries to upsell me after I've already made the purchase and especially don't like it when the person doing the hard sale is lying to me in order to make the sale. That was just my experience and maybe it was a unique one but I don't think so. I've only purchased from B&H and Amazon since then.
I had a very similar experience. I placed an order and received a call from a very rude guy trying to upsell me while lying to me in the process. When I called the guys bluff he hung up on me. Needless to say I canceled that order. This was several years ago and I haven't been back since. I understand what Helen is saying about how they have changed things but it's hard to erase that kind of treatment from ones mind. Perhaps I'll consider them again if I can't find an item anywhere else but they won't be my first choice.
Helen,
Thanks for chiming in. It is nice to know that there is someone we can go to if a similar occurrence happens. Welcome.
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I had a bad experience when I purchased from Adorama. After ordering online they called me so that they could hard sell me on other things. I don't like it when someone tries to upsell me after I've already made the purchase and especially don't like it when the person doing the hard sale is lying to me in order to make the sale. That was just my experience and maybe it was a unique one but I don't think so. I've only purchased from B&H and Amazon since then.
I had a very similar experience. I placed an order and received a call from a very rude guy trying to upsell me while lying to me in the process. When I called the guys bluff he hung up on me. Needless to say I canceled that order. This was several years ago and I haven't been back since. I understand what Helen is saying about how they have changed things but it's hard to erase that kind of treatment from ones mind. Perhaps I'll consider them again if I can't find an item anywhere else but they won't be my first choice.
Helen,
Thanks for chiming in. It is nice to know that there is someone we can go to if a similar occurrence happens. Welcome.
Thank you for the welcome; I'm delighted to be able to be of service.
I'm really sorry to hear about your previous experience; the probability is that the rep is no longer with us if this occurred a few years ago. My appointment last December was one of the final pieces in the plan to drastically improve and invest in Customer Care - alongside targeted staff training and supervision. We are currently work on a proposal, with great ideas from the forum moderator, for offering some special deals, so I do hope you feel able to take these up.
Best wishes
Helen
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We are currently work on a proposal, with great ideas from the forum moderator, for offering some special deals, so I do hope you feel able to take these up.
sounds great looking forward to what you will come up with.
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It is great to have a response like this from a company. Thanks Helen. I look forward to dealing with Adorama in the future. ;D
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Me too, looking forward for a proposal! Can you extend this future proposal not just for Canon 5D but for lenses too?
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I would buy from Adorama if the deal was right.
There is a vast customer base just waiting to be tapped!
Helen, I'm right down the turnpike in Jersey....I'll come pick it up!! For the right deal, I'm in for the 5D Mark II ... along with a base lens and a dual battery pack!!
I've been waiting too long to upgrade... let's get a deal going here! 8)=tom
p.s. dont know what I'm doing wrong, but I couldn't find the thing on the website.?? or any pre-order info...
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Item number is ICA5DM2 and I have to agree it's not there anymore???
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Item number is ICA5DM2 and I have to agree it's not there anymore???
does that mean it is sold out even before it arrives?
I actually trust the canon people they must be smart enough to cover the demand for the product a since they are smart enough to produce a camera like this ;D
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I vote for micrstockgroup coupons. What a great way to save and build a relationship.
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still waiting. the emails from "fred" offer the recommended price on stuff.
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still waiting. the emails from "fred" offer the recommended price on stuff.
Agreed. Reduced price shipping is hardly an incentive for me to cancel my Amazon order. From Amazon I get FREE shipping and also 30 days to return, vs. 14 from Adorama and they won't budge on that one.
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Never even got an e-mail from Fred even though I sent one off.
Strange
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Yes I am a week off buying a 24-105 L. So I thought I might got offered a bargain. Will be cheaper to buy it locally by the looks of things.
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BH is horrible at offering deals. I guess Adorama is on the same track
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I am telling you guys - the only way we get a deal is on some higher profit margin items because the 5DMkII is certainly not one of them.
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What is the higher profit item than 5DMkII? Maybe, 5DMkII with 3 lenses. So, I ask for 3 lenses and 5DMkII and still has no answer. Has anybody any kind of answer from "fred"?
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still waiting. the emails from "fred" offer the recommended price on stuff.
My understanding was that some special deals were to be put together for members of this forum. I believe that the group moderator is in discussion with our marketing team re: a plan for doing this. In the meantime, Fred (Wasser) from the sales team has been given the job of looking after you, individually. The amount of any discounts will, of course, have to be guided by a number of factors, such as availability and profit margin - which are not my area of expertise.
I have just emailed Fred that some of you haven't yet heard from him, and that you had hoped for more in the way of discounts - remember, though, that Adorama has been closed for 3 days (and there will consequently be a back log of orders & enquiries.
So, if you can, hold out for a little longer - either for Fred to sort something out (or for something more permanent to be put in place).
Please don't hesitate to contact me directly with specific queries: [email protected], as it's always possible that I can miss a posting on the Forum
Best wishes
Helen
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Who is this Fred person? I must buy a pocketwizards setup very very soon.
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Who is this Fred person? I must buy a pocketwizards setup very very soon.
He is in our sales team: [email protected]
Helen
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My understanding was that some special deals were to be put together for members of this forum. I believe that the group moderator is in discussion with our marketing team re: a plan for doing this. In the meantime...
This sounds encouraging to me. I haven't bought anything from Adorama, but if something can get worked out, I might just give 'em a shot.
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I am telling you guys - the only way we get a deal is on some higher profit margin items because the 5DMkII is certainly not one of them.
Well, I'm in for more than the body. This isn't a replacement cam, its an addition to the biz. I want at least a base lens on the thing and I need a battery pack. Extra batteries... I'm more than just the bod. Yeah, I know it's not a $10k sale, but if they can get many 'for sure' sales here... why not give a discount?
I've never purchased from these guys.... but I do buy a lot online.. if they can make me happy, they can have my biz. 8)=tom
I got an email through MSG from Helen advising to contact Fred. I'm waiting to see if there's any news from Leaf
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I am telling you guys - the only way we get a deal is on some higher profit margin items because the 5DMkII is certainly not one of them.
Don't know where you got this information, but it is 180 degrees from accurate. New stuff, any new stuff is where the retailers make their margins. They catch the early adapters. If it wasn't for new stuff, or Christmas, most retailers would not be in business.
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I Wonder if Helen knew what type of trouble she was getting herself in by by joinging this Forum. I know one thing, she's making me more comfortable that I ordered my Mark II from Adorama last week.
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so the camera is arriving soon some online retailers announced the arrival date as first week of November.
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I am telling you guys - the only way we get a deal is on some higher profit margin items because the 5DMkII is certainly not one of them.
Don't know where you got this information, but it is 180 degrees from accurate. New stuff, any new stuff is where the retailers make their margins. They catch the early adapters. If it wasn't for new stuff, or Christmas, most retailers would not be in business.
That might be true for other average electronics, but if - as I personally anticipate - the item is a HOT COMMODITY there is no incentive to lower the price until the item actually stays on the shelf. Adorama sells it exactly for Canon's MSRP and canon products are not known to venture much below these prices anywhere unless you have an unrestricted DELL coupon or similar. Canon makes their main profits with lenses and later in the product cycle of cameras. Adorama does not charge an early adopter premium as far as I am aware - and I bought one of the first Rebel XTs from them and the price did not drop until Canon dropped the price.
Just my personal opinion.
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Adorama does not charge an early adopter premium as far as I am aware
Adorama and every other retailer does not set the retail price. The manufacturer does. It is up to the retailer whether they choose to charge the full retail or not. However, the early advertising is paid for by CANON, and they will not pay for anything unless the advertising features the FULL recommended retail price.
They may also have some rules on retailers about offering DEALS for a period of time.
However (once again) Adorama could easily create a coupon system for a particular group of buyers, like this forum, that offers deals. While they may not be able to legally offer a reduction in price because of their agreement with Canon, they can offer "incentives" such as buy this thing and your next thing will only cost x.
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Adorama does not charge an early adopter premium as far as I am aware
Adorama and every other retailer does not set the retail price. The manufacturer does. It is up to the retailer whether they choose to charge the full retail or not. However, the early advertising is paid for by CANON, and they will not pay for anything unless the advertising features the FULL recommended retail price.
They may also have some rules on retailers about offering DEALS for a period of time.
However (once again) Adorama could easily create a coupon system for a particular group of buyers, like this forum, that offers deals. While they may not be able to legally offer a reduction in price because of their agreement with Canon, they can offer "incentives" such as buy this thing and your next thing will only cost x.
... I think we are talking about the same thing.
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I Wonder if Helen knew what type of trouble she was getting herself in by by joining this Forum. I know one thing, she's making me more comfortable that I ordered my Mark II from Adorama last week.
I have broad shoulders, and I love being to help. I have a presence on over 150 photographic groups, forums, blog sites & web pages - but I do still get surprises!
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
[email protected]
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just noticed on BHphoto's site that approximate arrival date for 5d m2 body plus the 24-105 lens kit in nov and approximate arrival time is December for "body only"
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ok, more details on the adorama discount here
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=5997.msg65566;topicseen#new
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just pre ordered one from Adorama
hey i didn't see this before.. are you switching teams.. weren't you shooting nikon?
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Correct! Nikon currently have no camera capable of hitting XXL on IS.
Plus this has video. So all in all compelling reasons to change.
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I've been in Florida for the last 2 weeks and out of the loop (no web access). Just got back a few hours ago with a couple thousand pix. ( hope there's a few usable in the lot... LOL)
What's the story on this? Did it go anywhere? I opted in but got no follow-up email.
Somebody please enlighten me. I am ready to buy one of these puppies ( wish I had it with me on this trip). I'm chompin at the bit... ready to go.. what's up? thanks 8)=tom
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yeah, there is a deal. Check out the 'adorama deal' thread here
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=5997.msg65566;topicseen#new
in short it is 3% discount for regular members, and 5% discount for premium (paid) and diamond members (over 1000 posts) on microstockgroup.. there is a number of more details though so you should check out the first post in that thread.
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thanks much, Leaf!! -tom