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« on: October 05, 2008, 08:53 »
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Anyone have any experience with Graduated ND for landscape photos?  I have a Cokin filter holder from 35mm film days and was considering getting a Graduated ND for it.  I have read on other places that the Cokin ND filters often introduce a magenta cast into the photos, and the common recommendation is to use a Hitech filter instead.  Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Lee


« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 15:48 »
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Cokin is a bit on the cheap side. Colour cast has been noted by many. It's not that Cokin is bad, I have a few like the tobacco grad. But for fine work, I don't think Cokin cuts it.

Hitech are a good middle ground but you have to be careful with them as they can scratch easily. If you are careful with your gear in general, and won;t have them banging about in the bottom of the camera bag uncased, do consider them

I went with Singhray. Not cheap, but quality goods and excellent results. I am in love with the blue-gold polarizer. Lee excellent stuff too but again high price tag.

« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 04:11 »
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For me:

#1 B+W. The only drawback is that they come with round threaded frame and therefore you cannot shift them vertically in order to adjust the horizon line. The trick here is to buy the largest one (86mm I guess) and hold it by hand. Glass quality IMHO is far better than any other filter used.

#2 Singh-Ray very good but perhaps bit overpriced

#3 Hoya Quite good

I don't like Cokin as they are not made of Optical Glass and therefore prone to flare, cast and... easy to scratch!

AstburyD

« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 12:06 »
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I have Lee, a bit pricey as already commented but so far I am very pleased with them. I have a wide angle adapter ring, twin holders to allow for rotation and have a set of 3 soft grads (in 0.3, 0.6 and 0.9 densities). My budget didn't stretch to also having a set of hard grads so that's on my wish list for now.

Factors to consider are; budget, lens diameter(s), use of multiple filters including offset rotation, use with circular polarisers, density of ND grads, hard v soft grads. Wisdom seems to be avoid hard grads with higher focal lengths, use either hard or soft with shorter focal lengths depending upon composition.

Also worth noting that ND grads can be used indoors aswell, giving the option to balance out strong window light etc.

« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 23:26 »
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I've used Hoya filters for...er...years.  (actually more like decades, but let's not dwell on that!)  I've always found they've done the job for me.  I'm not at all crazy about the Cokin system, because the filters are made of "optical" gel, and will warp over time, introducing all kinds of artifacts.  The system itself is nice because you can use one adapter and just slide in and out the filter you want, but the results aren't worth the convenience.

Just my opinion.... :)

« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2008, 19:49 »
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I do it in Photoshop with a duplicate layer set to multiply and a mask. You actually have a lot more control over exactly where you want the effect. In the photo below everything except the sky was masked and the blend mode was set to multiply to brng out the detail inthe clouds.


« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 20:15 »
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Its a nice attempt at the shot above but it really doesn't look very real.  More surreal if that.  For a shot like that, the greens should be much more bluish given the cloud cover.  Its a great start, but it just looks a bit off.

I just bought a couple of Singh-Ray grads, and i think they are great.  If you use them correctly (which means not all situations will be the best for them) then you have a better chance at getting it right in camera.

There are several situations where HDR will serve your needs better, but a lot of high profile nature photographers use the filters.  and who wants to be in front of computer instead of in front of the landscapes and behind the camera? :)


« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 00:15 »
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I bought a Cokin set the other day. In Australia virtually a must for daylight.

Cokin is good because it does not matter the lens size, you just get the 77 or 58 mm adaptor.

Also have a Hoya but only 58mm.

The best answer I have found is HDR anyways.

« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 00:25 »
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Buy the best you can afford. Singh Ray is awesome, and worth every penny - but it puts a solid bite on the pocket. But - you buy them once, and they will last if taken care of. Happiness from getting and using a good tool lasts much longer than the financial sting. The reverse is also true.
OTOH, my daughter uses Cokin, and only very occassionally she needs the color to be corrected.


 

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