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« on: January 22, 2007, 06:44 »
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Anyone have any good rumors to share for the next generation of canon cameras.  I am starting to get ants in my pants for something new to admire :)



« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 06:52 »
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:-)..

There's a few forum sites with jucy bits, but nothing that solid yet...

And for a bit of rumour mongering of my own, I was at a polo match on Sunday for the paper, and a chap there who is a full time equine photographer was saying he'd heard that the new Ds will be 25Mp, not the 22 that's commonly being suggested, and the new 1D will be 13Mp and still APC-H (1.3 crop).  He's just comeout from England, has CPS membership, and he's a full time pro which makes him more qualified to guess than me. :-).

Either way, what I know is that I really want a better camera for the sports work I do and if they do announce some new bodies in Feb at PMA, I wont be able to afford them any more than I can afford a 1DMkII now... :-).  (I really just want want better AF than the 20D, it's a right pain for fast sports)

Cheers, Me.

eendicott

« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 09:24 »
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Here's what I've heard will come out of the March PMA show (take this with a grain of salt):

Cameras
Canon EOS 1D Mark III: 12Mp x1.2, DIGIC III, 8.5fps, dust removal, the SD+CF and Wifi.  - 3000Eur

Canon EOS 40D 10Mp, x1.6, DIGIC III, 5fps, dust removal - 1200Eur

Lenses
- Canon 200mm F/2.8 L USM IS -1000Eur
- Canon 400mm F/4 L USM IS black -1400 Eur
- Canon 10-24 F/2.8 L USM - 1200Eur
- Canon 24-70 F/2.8 L USM IS - 1000Eur

Other Tidbits of Info
1ds mk2 succeeding model: Some pros are already testing a 22mp version. The rumor is it will be above Digic 3, 3 inch LCD and dust removal...rumor is it will be on the market either in November or next April

There are also rumors of another version of the 5dthat will be 16mp and have the weather resistant qualities of the 1d and anti-dust removal for the sensor


Those are the rumors I've heard  ;D

« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 14:24 »
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guess I'll be needing to sell  a    'few more'    :o  pix before I'll be picking one of these up...

« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 06:12 »
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I really can't see them putting weather sealing in a non '1' body, but I could be wrong...


« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 07:22 »
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I thought that one of the non 1 bodies had weather sealing but now i can't find it.  Perhaps i was mistaken.

« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 11:06 »
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only the 1 bodies have weathersealing in the digital line up.  Would be good on the 5D as a lot of pros would use it as a back up or good for a travel camera since smaller.  Since you effectively have to use L lens on the 5D it makes more sense than the other cameras where people may only use consumer lenses.

One of the other companies has weathersealing on its 30D competitor (or was it a 400D competitor) so maying in a couple of years, it might be on all cameras.

Weathersealing is one of my wishlist items for the "40D" (I dont think I want a 5D) along with better autofocus (can always be better) and better Dynamic range (can always be better).  Cant think of much else the way I currently use my camera.

« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 03:27 »
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The 40D has received a webpage on the hong kong website

Engadget link

« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 14:08 »
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The link on that page now goes to a 400D info page.. Might have been a typo by a web developer..  Certainly fuels the rumour mill though. :-)

eendicott

« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 14:28 »
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The link on that page now goes to a 400D info page.. Might have been a typo by a web developer..  Certainly fuels the rumour mill though. :-)

You have to scroll down and ignore the advertising (it's really hard to see and in very small print) but there is a picture of the Canon site and a couple of comments.

eendicott

« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 12:36 »
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This hit my e-mail inbox this morning (note this is un-edited)....


1ds mk2 succeeding model: It says that the some pro are doing test already. 22Mp The rumor will be above digic 3, 3 inch LCD and dust removal,3 degummed yarn... It remained and as the person who is a tester from the public piece being announced next year in April.

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- The 1 series should be announced first for pride / reputation with the new features
- Even though the 1 series sells in very limited quantities, the professional camera division in Canon has a lot of clout - seen as creating a brand image leadership in the whole camera space.
- The 30D replacement is badly required as the 20D/30Ds combined market share has dropped radically over the last few months due to a combination of internal competition from the 400D and the market impact of the Nikon D80 and Sony A100 etc.
- The 30D series segment is seen as important to Canon because of lens on-sell. This market and upwards tends to buy extra lenses, including high value lenses (I interpret that to be high profit).
- The two 5D replacements make the most sense if sold together. Though they could announce the high end one first (as a 5D replacment) and then follow with the low end (entry level FF). The low end 5D repalcement is thought too similar to the 5D to be released while the 5D is in the market.
- The 5D has not sold as well as hoped in most markets except when rebates are offered. However Canon still sell lots more of them that the 1 series and they are nicely profitable. They also have excellent resell on high value lenses.
- The combination of Nikon's aggressive D40 / D80 / D200 range, with the Sony A100 is taking more DSLR market share than Canon predicted. The 400D is selling very well but Canon know they need to regain more of the midrange DLR market quickly to maintain the lens sales and own the system for the advanced amateur and semi-pro etc.
- Sony is known to be working on CMOS sensors at 1.6 and FF for their DSLR range and are expected to continue to complete aggressively on features. (Interesting to see what this does for Nikon who currently buy their CCD sensor from Sony) (Also interesting to see no mention of Pentax, which seems stange..).
- Hence the big dilemma 30D replacement and 1 series replacement now or 30D and one of the 5D replacements now and leave the other 5D and 1 series for later. Or do they upset their channels (never a good idea) and issue 3 cammeras to give the market at knockout puch. In terms of revenue and immediate market share protection delaying the 1 series further makes sense. But the new high end 5D replacement to very close to the 1 series performance (16mp etc), and in terms of prestige, the 1 series should be the best (Note, no mention of delaying the 30D replacement so I guess that is a given?)

The 5D replacements

- 5D would be split into FF two lines to create full frame demand
- Low end similar to current 12 Mp sensor but with a more 30D like body (could be a 7D?) and DIGIC III. This low end and xxD series were meant to provide a more cost effective choice between 1.6 and FF for the advance amateur and allow a gradual migration to more full frame over time driven by the market.
- High end with more MP (16mp but not the 1D sensor), improved AF for the full frame, DIGIC III etc. (could be a 3D?)

« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2007, 12:40 »
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thanks for the post.  will be interesting to see what they turn out.


« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2007, 14:46 »
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I dont beleive they will split the 5D into two at this stage.  The market is too small and the low spec will just take sales away from the high spec.

My view only.

« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2007, 15:42 »
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Interesting reading these comments. Thanks for the great info.

I wonder what the long term prospects are for the 1.6x crop factor cameras? Will these sensors be able to reliably support 12+MP in the future? I'm sure new technology will come along to help alleviate some of the noise problems, but as the micro stock industry becomes more competitive and more MPs will be required, will the 1.6x be able to survive long term?

Forum newbie here would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Thanks!

« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 03:04 »
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I don't think microstock will have any influence on the cameras, if that's what you mean...  We're an awfully small chunk of the market.

And yes, the 1.6 crop cameras are here to stay.  Canon has invested in the EFS lenses, Nikon the DX lenses... 

As to resolution, as the technology improves noise will go down, and density (resolution) will go up on 1.6x and FF cameras.  Look at the densities on some of the non-SLR small sensored cameras on the market currently.  Certainly they have high noise, but then so did the early dSLR's compared to what you can buy now...

« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 04:36 »
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I wonder what the long term prospects are for the 1.6x crop factor cameras? Will these sensors be able to reliably support 12+MP in the future?
  If they can fit 10mp into a P&S sensor, then the 1.6 crop size is safe.

As further proof, I am guessing there will be a new EF-s lens at the PMA (pure speculation but they need to start building up this line of lens if they are going to target the consumer market).

eendicott

« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 14:27 »
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You can always use this one...

http://www.canonfd.com/mirrorlenses/pages/page10.html

It doesn't have image stabilization but on a 1.6x camera it's like using a 8000mm lens on full frame sensor.

Pity it doesn't have image stabilization and it weighs so much.

 ;D

« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 14:31 »
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Thanks for your thoughts on this.

chellyar, actually I was just asking if 1.6x will be enough for us micro guys in the future to remain competitive.

CJPhoto, I agree. They need to build up the EF-S lens market. As prices come down, there will be a clearer distinction between the consumer 1.6x market and the 5D and up markets.

Although, I'm not sure where that puts the 20D, 30D, 40D people? These are the people who will always consider a future upgrade to a "full-frame" and will be hesitant to buy the EF-S.

eendicott

« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 14:43 »
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That's very true.  I bought a 30d in October and I have a 20d.  I find out what my bonus is at my day job a week from tomorrow.  If it's as big as I think it will be, I will be buying a 1Ds MKII, selling the 20d and 30d, and then also buying a 1D MKIIn.

My reason for buying the 30d in October is because I needed a fast camera (5fps) over mp size (the 5d) and because the battery system is consistent with the 20d which I use as a backup (I have 8 - BP511 batteries for the 20d and 30d as well as a battery grip on both cameras).  I needed two cameras for some of the work I do (one has a 24-70 and the other a 70-200).

I just wish my pocket book could keep up with technology.


« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 14:45 »
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I bought a 30d in October and I have a 20d...

...I will be buying a 1Ds MKII, selling the 20d and 30d, and then also buying a 1D MKIIn.

Canon must love you...  ;)

eendicott

« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 14:57 »
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Canon must love you...  ;)

Yeah but unfortunately, it isn't Canon I'm trying to please  >:(

I'm looking forward to the days I won't have to fight "interpolation artifacts" at Alamy or noise at the other places.

Another thing about 16mp cameras - the agencies have caught on to the color, black and white, sepia, and blue-tint trick but they haven't caught on to the trick of rotating images to one side for getting a different angle.  I figure with a 16mp camera, 1 picture will transform into at least 8  ;D  (kidding of course).

« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 15:36 »
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Good luck with the bonus. Hope it's what you expect.

I recently bought the 10-22mm EF-S. I was hesitant because something like the 5D was always a goal of mine. Realized it would be a long way off, so I bought the EF-S. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome lens. Same optics as L glass, but circumstances have changed a little where a 5D might be more of a reality sooner than I thought. Now I have this $900.00 lens that BH will buy for $300.00. Grr ... hard to swallow.

Traditionally, I guess pros would buy what they need when they need it, and probably make-up for costs in a short period of time, but the micro stock industry definitely has changed things. Like chellyar says, we're still a small chunk of the market (but growing).

« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 15:58 »
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...the agencies have caught on to the color, black and white, sepia, and blue-tint trick but they haven't caught on to the trick of rotating images to one side for getting a different angle..

This is one area where I think that the agencies (especially iStock) are making a mistake.  They assume that many buyers are professional designers, but I believe that most buyers are small businesses, churches, non-profits, etc. trying to buy images for web-sites, brochures, etc.  As such, they might not own or know how to use Photoshop to create certain effects.  I have found that many of my "edited" images sell really well.  It gives the buyer an option of buying the unedited version or another version that is edited.

I do of course agree that there shouldn't be 50 different edited versions of the same image, but how does that differ from 50 different versions of the same model(s) taken at different angles (one from the right, one from the left, etc), or with different expressions (one smiling, one sad, one looking left, etc)?

Photoguy

« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 16:57 »
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I thinks as soon as the new 1Ds Mkll is announced, I will commit heresy and dump ALL my Nikon gear. When it comes to DSLR, Canon has won the tech war.

Also I think the future for a pro system is full frame 22/25mp..........new medium format systems start at 22mp and I think Canon is aware of that.

Rumors that I'm hearing is that the Nikon camera division might be going the way of Minolta, perhaps to Sony.

eendicott

« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 19:02 »
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When Canon comes out with that 22mp or more camera, it will be out of my price range.  The closest Hasselblad with a digital back runs $13,000 USD.  I bet Canon is going to price accordingly and if I wanted to afford that, I'd have to sell my truck and still save money.


 

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