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Canon has their c series video cams for prosTheir 1 dx m2 does 4kThey have to differentiate options you get with their various linesEveryone wants a camera to do everything top notch, for $2800, sure keep dreamingWhile 4k is definitly the wave of yhings to come, it is not really mainstream now.
Quote from: noodle on August 28, 2016, 07:37Canon has their c series video cams for prosTheir 1 dx m2 does 4kThey have to differentiate options you get with their various linesEveryone wants a camera to do everything top notch, for $2800, sure keep dreamingWhile 4k is definitly the wave of yhings to come, it is not really mainstream now.What is the $1200 alternative you comparing to?The 5D mk IV has 4k, same as the 1DX mk II. It's not about having everything top notchQuote], Quoteit's about being on par with or better than the $1,200 competition.QuoteThe 5D mk II started the whole DSLR video thing, it's insane that they don't listen to the community. You can only imagine how much more money they made from the 5D mk II that EVERYBODY bought compared to the C100.Portrait and wedding photographers will buy the 5D mk IV, but everyone else looking for better video capabilities (AND a good stills camera) will look elsewhere, and don't think for a second they will buy the C100.Come to think of it, maybe the wedding photographers will switch too since video is such an important thing. Now you will have to switch lenses when you want to film in 4k and it's simply not possible to go wide with the 1.76 crop factor. Your 16 mm is now 28 mm as soon as you want to shoot some video. The business will simply go to Panasonic and Sony and Canon will lose unfortunately.
], Quoteit's about being on par with or better than the $1,200 competition.QuoteThe 5D mk II started the whole DSLR video thing, it's insane that they don't listen to the community. You can only imagine how much more money they made from the 5D mk II that EVERYBODY bought compared to the C100.Portrait and wedding photographers will buy the 5D mk IV, but everyone else looking for better video capabilities (AND a good stills camera) will look elsewhere, and don't think for a second they will buy the C100.Come to think of it, maybe the wedding photographers will switch too since video is such an important thing. Now you will have to switch lenses when you want to film in 4k and it's simply not possible to go wide with the 1.76 crop factor. Your 16 mm is now 28 mm as soon as you want to shoot some video. The business will simply go to Panasonic and Sony and Canon will lose unfortunately.
I'm going to get one, because my two Dslrs are both 8 years old. I'd like to use an ISO higher than 640, lol. And I want to shoot 4K. I'll deal with the crop.
What is the $1200 alternative you comparing to?
Quote from: noodle on August 28, 2016, 13:05What is the $1200 alternative you comparing to?One is the GH4 (soon to be GH5 taking it even further), and obviously just comparing the 4k and filming capabilities. I know the 5D is a superior stills camera (which is why I now carry BOTH the 5D mk III + GH4) but the mk IV still lacks in the video department which means getting a GH5 + the old trusty 5D mk III is the wiser choice.My photography life means walking in the jungle for hours carrying everything I need on my back. Sliders, stabilizers, tripods... Would've LOVED to have just one camera that could handle it all.Too many drawbacks makes the 5D a hassle for video compared to the GH4:Inefficient codec (4-5 times the file size with no improvement in quality)Crop factor of 1.76 but you can still only put full-frame lenses on it = no good use for my 16-35... Can't put a 10 mm APS-C lens on it...No svivel screen... This is a major drawback, why, just why?No electronic view finder - makes things really hard out in the sun, especially in combination with the fixed screen...Still the old memory cards = no chance of Magic Lantern making 4k RAW work.No zebras, no focus peaking, etc. etc. the list is too long unfortunately.The obvious advantage of the 5D mk II and III is the full-frame glory when filming, and now it's gone with the 4k...I know it's a stills camera but it could have been the ULTIMATE camera. I would've thrown out the GH4 in a heartbeat if the 5D mk IV had shown it could replace it for video. But now this means not buying the mark IV and I know I'm not the only one skipping it for these reasons...
Hell, many would no doubt buy a ' do it all ' dslr, but not everyonemanufacturers sell a helluva lot more cameras spliting up options and price points in their different lines of cameras
Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?
Quote from: cdwheatley on August 28, 2016, 14:45Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?Yes, even more confusion in the product line-up.
Quote from: increasingdifficulty on August 28, 2016, 14:48Quote from: cdwheatley on August 28, 2016, 14:45Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?Yes, even more confusion in the product line-up.Was told by Canon there is much more noise in the 5DS R then the 5d1V
Seems a bit overpriced at this point.I'm more excited for the Fuji XT2, which is my next likely purchase. Good image quality, 4K, fast AF and most importantly, affordable.
I have a Canon 5Dsr for stills and Canon C100 MII for video. So this camera is still playing catch up. I gave up trying to make a DSLR into a real video camera for documentary films -- just too many add-ons and limitations. And I use my Sony A6300 for 4K but I really don't like the way 4k looks. Maybe for nature stuff but just too clean for me. The cinematic dynamic range of the C100 MII is what works for me. And the 5Dsr is freaky beautiful at 100 iso, 8622 x 5692 res on my iMac 5K monitor.
Quote from: jodijacobson on August 28, 2016, 15:57Quote from: increasingdifficulty on August 28, 2016, 14:48Quote from: cdwheatley on August 28, 2016, 14:45Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?Yes, even more confusion in the product line-up.Was told by Canon there is much more noise in the 5DS R then the 5d1VThat may be true, but the 5dsr is 50mp with no filter over the sensor, so I'm guessing better detail? You would have to selectively control noise manually if it is an issue. It's a tradeoff. If I was shooting landscapes for print I would take this camera over the new one.
And I use my Sony A6300 for 4K but I really don't like the way 4k looks. Maybe for nature stuff but just too clean for me.
I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.
Quote from: KevinM on August 31, 2016, 13:18I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.AFAIK, 30P is plenty. What does 60P get you? Or is it that you want to do slo-mo at 4k? I bet that comes in a firmware update.
I've had my mind set on the mk4 for over a year but now it's been released I just can't justify the $6k CAD with kit lens, especially as I hardly make any money from my photography. Think I'm gonna go for the 7d2 instead
I've shot a 5D III for several years now. I've been saving up for the 5DS R because I want the high resolution for my landscapes and studio work. I expect to use the 5D III for my carry-around camera and for what little event, concert and sports type of work I do.When I decide to replace the 5D III I'll probably go mirror-less since that'll make more sense in a walk-around camera. I expect to keep shooting the 5DS R in the studio and for landscapes for several years.So, no real interest in the 5D IV for me.