Author Topic: Canon Mirrorless in 2012? (Read 7855 times)

PaulieWalnuts · « **on:** January 09, 2012, 12:04 »

I was getting ready to pull the trigger on an NEX-7 when I just saw this on Canonrumors a little while ago.

I was beginning to think Canon was going to skip mirrorless. Although the natural disasters probably have had a horrible impact I wonder how much of the delay was them waiting to see what other manufacturers came up with and learn from the successes and failures.

Would be nice if they dipped into the parts bin one more time and put the 21MP FF sensor in a mirrorless rangefiner. Nice dream but not something Canon would do. I still have the Canonet rangefinder pictured on Canonrumors and it's an excellent camera.

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A Translation of a Japanese Interview
“Canon has been forced to change their plan for 2011 because of the earthquake on the 11th March 2011 in Japan and floods in Thailand, but they are going to be back to the normal operation in 2012.”

Summary of interview with Masaya Maeda, Managing Director and Chief Executive of the Image Communication Products Operation at Canon Inc.

He stated that they are planning to release mirrorless compact system cameras in 2012.

Concept of Canon’s mirrorless system

Try to develop a compact camera which features high image quality.
Trying to make cameras smaller and more compact, mirrorless system could be the key.
Miniaturization of cameras is the top priority, which means the cameras may have a different mount to the EF mount.
For mirrorless cameras, being able to change lenses is certainly a big merit, however, the ratio of use of interchangeable lenses is very low. We have to think on how we can make users use interchangeable lenses more, that is very critical. We have to look into the whole system as well as miniaturization.
All DSLRs featuring EF mount would be getting smaller and smaller with high image quality. For interchangeable lenses, we are going to stick to EF mount.
EF lenses are being developed and extended this will include shooting movies. The compatibility of the new system and the EF system is very important.
As a premise of the new mount for mirrorless system, “the image sensor will be larger than the regular standard size” would be necessary.
The quality of image sensor will be improving. Having said that, in time downsizing the sensor is coming in the future.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2012, 15:10 »

If they are going to do P&S with interchangable lenses then it will involve producing an entirely new range of glass which will not work on a DSLR because the registration distance will be different. In effect, you end up with something like a Leica M9 only with the image displayed on a screen instead of in a viewfinder.

The problem with this is that you have to wave the thing about at arms length (or even further away if you are old enough to have eyesight like mine) and you can't achieve critical focus like that, so I don't see how this will ever replace SLR systems. I can see it catching on in the hobby sector among people who think cameras focus themselves.

nicku · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2012, 15:36 »

Look at this link:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/09/CanonG1X_Preview

canon launches the New Canon PowerShot G1 X whit an DSLR APS-C sensor size.....

sharpshot · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2012, 19:24 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 09, 2012, 15:10

If they are going to do P&S with interchangable lenses then it will involve producing an entirely new range of glass which will not work on a DSLR because the registration distance will be different. In effect, you end up with something like a Leica M9 only with the image displayed on a screen instead of in a viewfinder.

The problem with this is that you have to wave the thing about at arms length (or even further away if you are old enough to have eyesight like mine) and you can't achieve critical focus like that, so I don't see how this will ever replace SLR systems. I can see it catching on in the hobby sector among people who think cameras focus themselves.

Electronic viewfinders are great, as long at they don't have lag. I don't think Canon would make a rival to the Sony and Panasonic cameras without an EVF.

sharpshot · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:13 »

Will this be better than the Sony NEX-7?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/10/FujifilmXPro1_Preview

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:40 »

Quote from: sharpshot on January 09, 2012, 19:24

Electronic viewfinders are great, as long at they don't have lag.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. The only time I would every use live view on the 5D MkII would be for careful macro focus while using a tripod (and, obviously, on the rare occasions when I take video). I would need to put on reading glasses every time I wanted to use a P&S which would be a real hassle. Nor do I see how you can hold a camera as still while waving it in the air as you can when it is pushed up against your eye.

Obviously, for younger people with good eyesight the vision thing isn't a problem and most users won't care how sharp the image is anyway (at least, not what microstock calls "sharp") and will want automated focus etc. etc.. I do see that it will sell but I don't see it being any more significant to the microstock shooter than the current crop of P&S cameras.

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:55 »

Quote from: sharpshot on January 10, 2012, 06:13

Will this be better than the Sony NEX-7?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/10/FujifilmXPro1_Preview

"Better" will be different for everybody. Bigger, more expensive, and less megapixels than an NEX-7 isn't better for me.

It's an impressive camera though. Fujifilm is really stepping up their game. It'll be interesting to see what else they come up with.

sharpshot · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:58 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 10, 2012, 06:40

Quote from: sharpshot on January 09, 2012, 19:24
Electronic viewfinders are great, as long at they don't have lag.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. The only time I would every use live view on the 5D MkII would be for careful macro focus while using a tripod (and, obviously, on the rare occasions when I take video). I would need to put on reading glasses every time I wanted to use a P&S which would be a real hassle. Nor do I see how you can hold a camera as still while waving it in the air as you can when it is pushed up against your eye.

Obviously, for younger people with good eyesight the vision thing isn't a problem and most users won't care how sharp the image is anyway (at least, not what microstock calls "sharp") and will want automated focus etc. etc.. I do see that it will sell but I don't see it being any more significant to the microstock shooter than the current crop of P&S cameras.

You use an electronic viewfinder (EVF) the same way as a conventional viewfinder, pressed up against your eye. Go and try one, like the Panasonic GH2 and I think you will be impressed. I don't think many cameras will have a conventional viewfinder in a few years time. The EVF cuts down on body size and can display useful info, like a histogram, while you are looking through the viewfinder.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:28 »

Quote from: sharpshot on January 10, 2012, 06:58

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on January 10, 2012, 06:40
Quote from: sharpshot on January 09, 2012, 19:24
Electronic viewfinders are great, as long at they don't have lag.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. The only time I would every use live view on the 5D MkII would be for careful macro focus while using a tripod (and, obviously, on the rare occasions when I take video). I would need to put on reading glasses every time I wanted to use a P&S which would be a real hassle. Nor do I see how you can hold a camera as still while waving it in the air as you can when it is pushed up against your eye.

Obviously, for younger people with good eyesight the vision thing isn't a problem and most users won't care how sharp the image is anyway (at least, not what microstock calls "sharp") and will want automated focus etc. etc.. I do see that it will sell but I don't see it being any more significant to the microstock shooter than the current crop of P&S cameras.
You use an electronic viewfinder (EVF) the same way as a conventional viewfinder, pressed up against your eye. Go and try one, like the Panasonic GH2 and I think you will be impressed. I don't think many cameras will have a conventional viewfinder in a few years time. The EVF cuts down on body size and can display useful info, like a histogram, while you are looking through the viewfinder.

Oh, right. That's not what I thought it was at all, then. Much more interesting.

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