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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2015, 16:19 »
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I think it's pretty obvious at what's going on. They are slowly removing contributor content so they don't have to pay contributors.

They got about $7 million in funding in May but the CEO won't disclose how many people are paying. And even if they are, the contributors are getting a nice cut and they can't live with cut. With the growing number of contributor submissions, their server bill is getting massive and that $7 Million isn't going to last very long if they keep hiring people.
I don't think so because even though I have less images, they are making me more money.  Its like the opposite of what normally happens when a site becomes popular and gets millions of images and the sales are diluted.  I'm still not sure how it works for buyers though, aren't they going to find it hard to find what they want on Canva?


« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2015, 17:24 »
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Here's another example of why many of us use what are essentially anonymous names.

OT I guess but I always assumed that was your callsign!

w7lwi

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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2015, 20:50 »
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Here's another example of why many of us use what are essentially anonymous names.

OT I guess but I always assumed that was your callsign!

That's why I said "essentially anonymous."  Relatively few would recognize that and fewer yet would know how to look it up.

« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2015, 21:47 »
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Here's another example of why many of us use what are essentially anonymous names.

Totally agree.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 21:54 by anathaya »

« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2015, 04:12 »
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Relatively few would recognize that and fewer yet would know how to look it up.

Google.

« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2015, 05:33 »
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I just received a note from Lee that someone had pointed him to this post and they're closing my Canva account - "You are no longer welcome as a Canva contributor"

So anyone who wants to stay with Canva would do well to take this warning shot and remember to keep your mouth closed in public places about them or their actions.

I seem somehow to have this affect on agencies :)

Hi Jo Ann, it would probably be a better idea to try to sort things out with an agency before posting about an issue on public forum - give them a chance to explain or fix issues. Agencies do care about their public image and most will work with you to resolve things. I actually had a very pleasant experience dealing with Canva - they are *the good guys* in my book:) Some agencies take forever to respond to inquiries and it takes a lot of patience to work on resolving them, but in the end it's worth it (for example, I just got a resolution of a problem with one of the sites and it took 3 months - however, the issue is resolved so there is no need to go public about it).


shame, elena, deep shame...on you...
« Last Edit: October 26, 2015, 05:39 by ferdinand »

« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2015, 09:14 »
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What started this is basic, new criteria for desired files and acceptance policies. Not something controversial. But Canva's way of dealing with a request for information is ignore and then remove the account. Canva has learned from Scientology and some other church groups that only the true followers are allowed, the rest get excommunicated or shunned.

We work, we aren't blind servants. Shame on you Canva.

Anybody know the answer? What are the new criteria for desired files and acceptance policies. I can understand if they are trying to only have best images, and keep the collection trimmed, but wouldn't it be nice to tell us what and how?

« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2015, 11:13 »
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You've hit the nail on the head I think. They needed content to start the site up now they can generate their own. They just need enough for a "good enough" selection. They aren't  a stock site. A very cynical way to go about it or treat people but makes sense from their side I guess.

that's true , i red-ed the comment in point.
a long time ago it was the same treatment with the indie music site, i won't mention the name
but we were 20 years younger and i was in a band and we were the first bunch of indie on that site.

they got us convinced with their plan, "level playing field for independent musicians". we gave them our music and got paid 0.0004 US cents per download and our cds were sold and bought by fans from Japan, Holland (as it was called at that time), Brazil, etc. Even got to the top 5 of the blues, electronic , pop charts based on downloads.

we were big, as with our peers. until one day, they started getting non-indie names like the guy who used to play with Santana, and then Tori Amos.

next thing we knew, we all got an email saying we will have to pay for our songs with them if we wish to continue.  they became well-known then, and no longer needed us . they suddenly contracted alzheimer and forgot who made them to be considered worthwhile to finally get noticed by Tori Amos,etc.

nothing's changed,,,  after 20 years, our music is forgotten, but i am sure that site is still around under a different name selling only commercial top named recording people.

but why are we surprised??? even the great Prince got screwed ...
which is why he went indie . then again, musicians now have youtube to market themselves.

we need a youtube for microstock photography  8)

« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2015, 09:23 »
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Dear Jo Ann,
I am so sorry to hear your Canva story.  I was going to start there, now I won't.  The 23 other agencies that I upload to are SO LOVELY and kind and helpful - even one Christmas email message was worded so well - it made me shed a tear or two.
I look forward to your helpful and kind help on this forum.

Best wishes for your continued success via your other outlets.

Susanita

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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2015, 07:22 »
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That's a horrible way to treat you, Jo Ann. Such arrogance. Canva seemed promising at first, with a wholly new concept and personal contributor relations.
With this new bizarre turn of events (massively deleting images from portfolios and banning contributors) Canva is destroying any goodwill they built up here. Such a shame.
Contributors should never be silenced simply for voicing their opinion. 

Sure, it's their business and they don't owe contributors anything, but if Canva wants to punish honest contributors like some hot-headed school teacher, I will no longer support them. I refuse to do business with an agency like that. If they ever get vectors up and running, that is.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2015, 07:24 by Noedelhap »

banna

« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2015, 08:31 »
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This deleting files is just  >:(
First they love us all. Now they go business as always planned.

« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2015, 10:38 »
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This deleting files is just  >:(
First they love us all. Now they go business as always planned.

yes, it's normal culture with new companies, not just stock photography.

if only they came here or communicated with joanne to say something like ...
initially, we accepted everything from everyone, without even pre-entry test like ss ,
because we were new and had no manpower to curate.
our priority at that time was to get the stock site going.
now, that we have some stability with clientele and contributors,
we are going back to cull the large inventory.
.. it is not we don't appreciate your work and all you did to spread the word for us
on msg, joanne,  it is just this.

imaginary email to joanne in this form and something which anyone with PR 101 would know
how to reply to joanne...

this would show the good faith. 8)

let's hope ss gets their middle mgt sacked and we can all go back to
just focus on one decent site ie. the old ss
and forget about all those new messiahs

but i won't be the one holding my breath for either

« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2015, 10:44 »
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Canva developers are a bunch of unprofessional babies who can't take any criticism.

That's why I only stick to the reliable agencies (SS and FT).

I agree +100 with this.

cascoly

  • Photography, travel & online games at cascoly.com

« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2015, 15:18 »
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jo ann - very sorry and disappointed for what happened  to you

my experience has been the opposite - started with them just over a year ago, my portfolio growing from 1000 to 9500, with less than 5% deletions, sales are up 70-100% over 6 months ago with payouts now every 2-3 months - much better than big, dp, alamy, is or pond

« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2015, 15:33 »
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I just received a note from Lee that someone had pointed him to this post and they're closing my Canva account - "You are no longer welcome as a Canva contributor"

So anyone who wants to stay with Canva would do well to take this warning shot and remember to keep your mouth closed in public places about them or their actions.

I seem somehow to have this affect on agencies :)

Hi Jo Ann, it would probably be a better idea to try to sort things out with an agency before posting about an issue on public forum - give them a chance to explain or fix issues. Agencies do care about their public image and most will work with you to resolve things. I actually had a very pleasant experience dealing with Canva - they are *the good guys* in my book:) Some agencies take forever to respond to inquiries and it takes a lot of patience to work on resolving them, but in the end it's worth it (for example, I just got a resolution of a problem with one of the sites and it took 3 months - however, the issue is resolved so there is no need to go public about it).

shame, elena, deep shame...on you...

Ummm.... shame on me for what? For having a good working relationship with an agency? Or for saying that some issues should be discussed in private first before getting it out on a public forum?  I am amazed how many people here demand openness and publicity about every hiccup an agency may have while hiding behind completely anonymous handles. I am not and never will be ashamed of expressing my opinions.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 15:38 by Elenathewise »

« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2015, 00:01 »
+16
I just received a note from Lee that someone had pointed him to this post and they're closing my Canva account - "You are no longer welcome as a Canva contributor"

So anyone who wants to stay with Canva would do well to take this warning shot and remember to keep your mouth closed in public places about them or their actions.

I seem somehow to have this affect on agencies :)

Hi Jo Ann, it would probably be a better idea to try to sort things out with an agency before posting about an issue on public forum - give them a chance to explain or fix issues. Agencies do care about their public image and most will work with you to resolve things. I actually had a very pleasant experience dealing with Canva - they are *the good guys* in my book:) Some agencies take forever to respond to inquiries and it takes a lot of patience to work on resolving them, but in the end it's worth it (for example, I just got a resolution of a problem with one of the sites and it took 3 months - however, the issue is resolved so there is no need to go public about it).

shame, elena, deep shame...on you...

Ummm.... shame on me for what? For having a good working relationship with an agency? Or for saying that some issues should be discussed in private first before getting it out on a public forum?  I am amazed how many people here demand openness and publicity about every hiccup an agency may have while hiding behind completely anonymous handles. I am not and never will be ashamed of expressing my opinions.

You should not be ashamed for yor opinion and I  don't agree with someone saying you should.

 But I do think you can't blame people for anonymous.  This thread and so many others where agencies punish artists for speaking out, even politely like JoAnn, are the reason for anonymity.   If stock is your FT living you can't risk a site destroying your income overnight.  Look at Sean.  Only because of extreme talent and brains is he able to bounce back, but I bet he and his family lost lots of income having to start over.  And I  know as independent I would be out of business if I lost any of my top selling sites.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2015, 00:06 by PixelBytes »

« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2015, 11:27 »
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Look at Sean.  Only because of extreme talent and brains is he able to bounce back, but I bet he and his family lost lots of income having to start over.  And I  know as independent I would be out of business if I lost any of my top selling sites.

Good example - Sean, even after losing his Istock account, is not hiding behind some anonymous handle, and still posting under his own name. Something to respect and look up to, no?

ShadySue

« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2015, 11:35 »
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Look at Sean.  Only because of extreme talent and brains is he able to bounce back, but I bet he and his family lost lots of income having to start over.  And I  know as independent I would be out of business if I lost any of my top selling sites.

Good example - Sean, even after losing his Istock account, is not hiding behind some anonymous handle, and still posting under his own name. Something to respect and look up to, no?
Jo Anne also uses her real name and has logged the issues she had having files deleted with no explanation from Canva, despite several efforts.

« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2015, 11:39 »
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I just received a note from Lee that someone had pointed him to this post and they're closing my Canva account - "You are no longer welcome as a Canva contributor"

So anyone who wants to stay with Canva would do well to take this warning shot and remember to keep your mouth closed in public places about them or their actions.

I seem somehow to have this affect on agencies :)

Hi Jo Ann, it would probably be a better idea to try to sort things out with an agency before posting about an issue on public forum - give them a chance to explain or fix issues. Agencies do care about their public image and most will work with you to resolve things. I actually had a very pleasant experience dealing with Canva - they are *the good guys* in my book:) Some agencies take forever to respond to inquiries and it takes a lot of patience to work on resolving them, but in the end it's worth it (for example, I just got a resolution of a problem with one of the sites and it took 3 months - however, the issue is resolved so there is no need to go public about it).

shame, elena, deep shame...on you...

Ummm.... shame on me for what? For having a good working relationship with an agency? Or for saying that some issues should be discussed in private first before getting it out on a public forum?  I am amazed how many people here demand openness and publicity about every hiccup an agency may have while hiding behind completely anonymous handles. I am not and never will be ashamed of expressing my opinions.

You should not be ashamed for yor opinion and I  don't agree with someone saying you should.

 But I do think you can't blame people for anonymous.  This thread and so many others where agencies punish artists for speaking out, even politely like JoAnn, are the reason for anonymity.   If stock is your FT living you can't risk a site destroying your income overnight.  Look at Sean.  Only because of extreme talent and brains is he able to bounce back, but I bet he and his family lost lots of income having to start over.  And I  know as independent I would be out of business if I lost any of my top selling sites.

SHAME ON CANVA!!!!

I would love to hear Leaf's opinion on this and how many times agencies (and which ones) asked him to remove certain comments in order to preserve their shambles business.
Be honest please...

OR we ALL better just close our MSG accounts  and go 100% underground.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 13:38 by KnowYourOnions »

« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2015, 12:57 »
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Look at Sean.  Only because of extreme talent and brains is he able to bounce back, but I bet he and his family lost lots of income having to start over.  And I  know as independent I would be out of business if I lost any of my top selling sites.

Good example - Sean, even after losing his Istock account, is not hiding behind some anonymous handle, and still posting under his own name. Something to respect and look up to, no?

Good for him and good for you.  Some of us are much more expendable.   Also look at Ron Semmick, Anyka, Bobby Deal, etc, who ether aren't posting or are posting anonymous.   Besides, this issue was settled when there was a vote, an the majority decided that anonymity was useful here.  As I remember even many people who were NOT anonymous still thought others should have the option.  You are free to have your opinion but not try to shame me or others who are anonymous. 

« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2015, 13:28 »
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I think anonymity is an unfortunate necessity given how badly many of the agencies behave. I would much prefer to know who I'm talking to - how long they've been doing this, what sort of work they do and so on. It would make for much better discussions at MSG.

However, I was one of those who isn't anonymous who strongly supported continuing to allow anonymity.

Fotolia closed accounts when we were trying to get things changed with the Dollar Photo Club - one can only assume in an attempt to bully contributors into ceasing their efforts to organize suppliers who were being harmed by Fotolia's business decisions. This was recent. Canva's removal of me was recent. Getty found out that Sean Locke and Rob Sylvan were members of a Stocksy Facebook group - closed at the time, later changed to secret to protect others interested in finding out about the new agency - and they both were terminated.

We have to put up with some annoyances as a result of anonymity but on balance, that's not so bad given the alternative. MSG would die away if there were no more anonymity because anyone with anything to loose would have to leave.

« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2015, 13:40 »
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I think anonymity is an unfortunate necessity given how badly many of the agencies behave. I would much prefer to know who I'm talking to - how long they've been doing this, what sort of work they do and so on. It would make for much better discussions at MSG.

However, I was one of those who isn't anonymous who strongly supported continuing to allow anonymity.

Fotolia closed accounts when we were trying to get things changed with the Dollar Photo Club - one can only assume in an attempt to bully contributors into ceasing their efforts to organize suppliers who were being harmed by Fotolia's business decisions. This was recent. Canva's removal of me was recent. Getty found out that Sean Locke and Rob Sylvan were members of a Stocksy Facebook group - closed at the time, later changed to secret to protect others interested in finding out about the new agency - and they both were terminated.

We have to put up with some annoyances as a result of anonymity but on balance, that's not so bad given the alternative. MSG would die away if there were no more anonymity because anyone with anything to loose would have to leave.

yes, i redded the most important statement you say here. .. as i was reading the first part re bullies in forums, and it is not just agencies that are notorious for bullies... here on msg were a group of territorial bullies too, as i keep mentioning to lisafx being the most known, to me at least, conspicuously missed. another one being ganged up was stacey newman if spoke up for istock at that time when everyone was reflecting the same manner as we are now with ss.

we can see a lot of regularly have left for this sake. .. or have gone under the radar without using their real names. yes, it is unfortunate, but this is the problem with web...
as you see the same thing on youtube, even trashing popular musicians too.
... such garbage like " she destroyed  xxx as this classical piece is meant to be xxx ...
" posted by some unknown person who has no doubt never even picked up an air-guitar, nevermind
a classical guitar.

the forum is a healthy place to voice our opinions, but as i said, many of Brutus cursed offsprings also follow the forum here; only worst, they are invisible with daggers unseen

« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2015, 13:42 »
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SHAME ON CANVA!!!!

I would love to hear Leaf's opinion on this and how many times agencies (and which ones) asked him to remove certain comments in order to preserve their shambles business.
Be honest please...

OR we ALL better just close our MSG accounts  and go 100% underground.


or worse ask leaf to reveal who this person is, so they can stealthily boycott his/her portfolio on their agency inventory.  however, i take it that leaf would not reveal that infor...
HOPEFULLY.

« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2015, 13:48 »
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I don't mean to be rude, but IMHO, anyone demanding that identities be disclosed on a forum like this is just naive.  The potential for reprisals is obvious, as is the fact that some of these fine 'agencies' are operated by unstable, thin-skinned and totally humorless people.  If one of them takes offense, he can strike back at you in any number of ways, without it even being known or provable - for example, by just 'adjusting' your search ranking a bit. 

 If you only want to communicate with people you know and approve of, create a FB group, or just use email.  Sounds pretty boring to me.   The whole point of this forum is to say things you couldn't say on the agencies' own forums.   
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 13:53 by stockastic »

« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2015, 14:15 »
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I don't mean to be rude, but IMHO, anyone demanding that identities be disclosed on a forum like this is just naive.  The potential for reprisals is obvious, as is the fact that some of these fine 'agencies' are operated by unstable, thin-skinned and totally humorless people.  If one of them takes offense, he can strike back at you in any number of ways, without it even being known or provable - for example, by just 'adjusting' your search ranking a bit.

 If you only want to communicate with people you know and approve of, create a FB group, or just use email.  Sounds pretty boring to me.   The whole point of this forum is to say things you couldn't say on the agencies' own forums.

Amen to ALL said!
I strongly believe that some agencies for sure did that "adjusting" many times already.

And sure Leaf is not going to do that, although a little warning would help us all.

Difference between Canva and the others is that we found out about this one thanks to Jo Ann...bless her!

I am trying to say, they ALL do the same.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 14:27 by KnowYourOnions »

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