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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2015, 14:36 »
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I'm another who isn't anonymous but support the option for those who wish it -- I've been online for over 30 years, and have been active in some forums where everyone was anonymous

active anons (who keep the same handle) soon become known for their posts, not their bios

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« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2015, 15:03 »
+7

SHAME ON CANVA!!!!

I would love to hear Leaf's opinion on this and how many times agencies (and which ones) asked him to remove certain comments in order to preserve their shambles business.
Be honest please...

OR we ALL better just close our MSG accounts  and go 100% underground.


or worse ask leaf to reveal who this person is, so they can stealthily boycott his/her portfolio on their agency inventory.  however, i take it that leaf would not reveal that infor...
HOPEFULLY.

I often know very little more about the anonymous posters than anyone else.  Obviously I can see an IP and an email address but that's it.  Regardless, no contact information is ever given to anyone unless a court of law demands it.

The sites have been very good about about letting us discuss topics without interference.  There has only been a handful of times (less than 10.. probably less than 5) where I've been asked by and agency to look at a comment or post.  When that has happened it has been for good reason - insults / foul language etc... things that aren't allowed on the forum anyhow.

« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2015, 15:51 »
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Thanks Leaf....and what do you think about this Canva move?
Do you oppose it?
How do we continue posting on MSG and not harm ourselves?
Advice needed pls, especially for non-anonymous members.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 16:02 by KnowYourOnions »

« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2015, 16:06 »
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I don't mean to be rude, but IMHO, anyone demanding that identities be disclosed on a forum like this is just naive.  The potential for reprisals is obvious, as is the fact that some of these fine 'agencies' are operated by unstable, thin-skinned and totally humorless people.  If one of them takes offense, he can strike back at you in any number of ways, without it even being known or provable - for example, by just 'adjusting' your search ranking a bit. 

 If you only want to communicate with people you know and approve of, create a FB group, or just use email.  Sounds pretty boring to me.   The whole point of this forum is to say things you couldn't say on the agencies' own forums.

yes, amen in echo to kyo to this too.
or better still, start a fanclub in fb myspace wherever so you can modulate to keep all those
buggers who do not do anything except to brownnose you and your ideas.

as expected leaf does not divulge infos, ... and i can vouch too for being warning to ease off a little
by leaf  ;D

still this is the reason a forum is about... to say things without fear...
to hit the subject and certain times the person (eg atilla , ss weed smoking mass rejector, canva etc_)
but it's more for their action rather than to character assassination

« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2015, 16:32 »
+3
My anonymity is necessary because the agencies are monopolies. The anonymity can correct a little bit the inbalance between contributor and agencie.
The annonymity also often important so that the truth comes out.

« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2015, 16:39 »
+14
Thanks Leaf....and what do you think about this Canva move?
Do you oppose it? ...

I can't speak for Tyler (Leaf) but it seems to me it's not fair to ask him to express an opinion on this issue - assuming he has an account at Canva or would like to have one, why put his earning potential at risk? And IMO he would be putting that at risk for talking about Canva closing accounts because it didn't like being asked by a contributor to explain what it was doing with image deletions.

In time, I hope that things will improve - not so much that I hope existing agencies will see the unreasonableness of their ways, but new agencies will grow up to replace, buy out or otherwise make irrelevant those who have behaved poorly to contributors.

In the meantime, keep discussions of known "problem" agencies private - i.e. not here in the forums. Do it by e-mail or PM and make sure you know that you're sharing information with folks who won't relay what you've said right back to the agencies :)

« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2015, 17:25 »
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Thanks Leaf....and what do you think about this Canva move?
Do you oppose it? ...

I can't speak for Tyler (Leaf) but it seems to me it's not fair to ask him to express an opinion on this issue - assuming he has an account at Canva or would like to have one, why put his earning potential at risk? And IMO he would be putting that at risk for talking about Canva closing accounts because it didn't like being asked by a contributor to explain what it was doing with image deletions.

In time, I hope that things will improve - not so much that I hope existing agencies will see the unreasonableness of their ways, but new agencies will grow up to replace, buy out or otherwise make irrelevant those who have behaved poorly to contributors.

In the meantime, keep discussions of known "problem" agencies private - i.e. not here in the forums. Do it by e-mail or PM and make sure you know that you're sharing information with folks who won't relay what you've said right back to the agencies :)

ok

« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2015, 17:33 »
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In the meantime, keep discussions of known "problem" agencies private - i.e. not here in the forums. Do it by e-mail or PM and make sure you know that you're sharing information with folks who won't relay what you've said right back to the agencies :)

i don't think there is any harm to make known problem public in forums, ... just not the agencies site where you are exposed. here on msg is the ideal place, when you have a pseudonym.
it may be too late for you to change your handle, as you can be traced back to be joanne...
but perharps seek leaf's approval to have a second account
incognito and slowly work your way into using that account like stockastic, pixelbytes, knowyouronions,etc...

and i like to think lisafx is still with us, under a pseudonym, ...although i doubt it because
even under a pseudonym, the unlemming-like comments by her would soon become obvious of her re-appearance.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2015, 13:39 »
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For posting really important information that should be hidden from the view of agencies, we could always use the Members only section, don't we? That way they can't see our discussion, giving us freedom of speech without potential repercussions.

« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2015, 13:52 »
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Even if they do not post on a regular basis, just about all the agencies (certainly the major ones) are signed up members here and would, therefore, be able to read anything posted in the Members only area. I'm pretty sure that they all keep an eye on what is posted here even if they don't react to it  ;) Regards, David.

« Reply #85 on: November 09, 2015, 18:54 »
+3
Even if they do not post on a regular basis, just about all the agencies (certainly the major ones) are signed up members here and would, therefore, be able to read anything posted in the Members only area. I'm pretty sure that they all keep an eye on what is posted here even if they don't react to it  ;) Regards, David.

Anybody can be a member here and anonymous, so can any agency, which means they can read anything we can write anywhere. Then anonymous hides them while they watch us. Anonymous lets anybody write any lie they want without standing behind their words. It allows trolls to have many accounts if they want or come here new every month. Most of all it makes the site look like unprofessional children name calling, accusing, making up conspiracies, and attacking agencies, while hiding behind a fake name.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2015, 18:20 by YadaYadaYada »

FlowerPower

« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2015, 09:27 »
+6
I'm another who isn't anonymous but support the option for those who wish it -- I've been online for over 30 years, and have been active in some forums where everyone was anonymous

active anons (who keep the same handle) soon become known for their posts, not their bios

 s

I've been on some forums where noone is anonymous and it makes for nicer conversation, less trolls and people speak nicer to each other. Less forum bullies and mean people who do nothing but complain and attack others. More on subject conversation about the subject of forum.

Ask yourself how much here is about our microstock business and how much is politics, anger, attacking other or complaining.

« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2015, 08:20 »
+7
I'm another who isn't anonymous but support the option for those who wish it -- I've been online for over 30 years, and have been active in some forums where everyone was anonymous

active anons (who keep the same handle) soon become known for their posts, not their bios

 s

I've been on some forums where noone is anonymous and it makes for nicer conversation, less trolls and people speak nicer to each other. Less forum bullies and mean people who do nothing but complain and attack others. More on subject conversation about the subject of forum.

Ask yourself how much here is about our microstock business and how much is politics, anger, attacking other or complaining.

Don't forget to add how many have been booted off sites for speaking up or forming constructive opinions. That's obviously a nasty subject too, unnecessary to be speaking about the bad part of micro stock in a micro stock forum, so let's just talk puppy dogs and ice creak from now on.

FlowerPower

« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2015, 09:47 »
+1
I'm another who isn't anonymous but support the option for those who wish it -- I've been online for over 30 years, and have been active in some forums where everyone was anonymous

active anons (who keep the same handle) soon become known for their posts, not their bios

 s

I've been on some forums where noone is anonymous and it makes for nicer conversation, less trolls and people speak nicer to each other. Less forum bullies and mean people who do nothing but complain and attack others. More on subject conversation about the subject of forum.

Ask yourself how much here is about our microstock business and how much is politics, anger, attacking other or complaining.

Don't forget to add how many have been booted off sites for speaking up or forming constructive opinions. That's obviously a nasty subject too, unnecessary to be speaking about the bad part of micro stock in a micro stock forum, so let's just talk puppy dogs and ice creak from now on.

Right the agencies not only steal our work for a pittance, but we have to hide from them, or our low paying pay will be cut off and we'll be kicked off. Talk about a lovely thought for microstock now because it's so wonderful to be a slave and imprisoned in this kind of business. Good thing we can be anonymous and complain here all day long and no one from agencies cares or listens. Maybe getting closed is good news.

« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2015, 09:52 »
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Good thing we can be anonymous and complain here all day long and no one from agencies cares or listens. Maybe getting closed is good news.

Some of us post here with our real names, bitch and moan to some degree (not over the top, though), and don't seem to be penalized.

Maybe it's a cumulative thing?


ETA: Speaking of bitching and moaning I'm still finding some of my images on SS with the "old" V1 preview watermark. Why in heck is this taking so long???

« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2015, 09:54 »
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Good thing we can be anonymous and complain here all day long and no one from agencies cares or listens. Maybe getting closed is good news.

Some of us post here with our real names, bitch and moan to some degree (not over the top, though), and don't seem to be penalized.

Maybe it's a cumulative thing?

You brave souls...I salute you!
RESPECT

« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2015, 18:24 »
+3
Good thing we can be anonymous and complain here all day long and no one from agencies cares or listens. Maybe getting closed is good news.

Some of us post here with our real names, bitch and moan to some degree (not over the top, though), and don't seem to be penalized.

Maybe it's a cumulative thing?

You brave souls...I salute you!
RESPECT

I do too and Jo Ann should not have been knocked off their site for asking questions or posting the same in public. It was hardly as bad as most that we see here. Just asking for help and information. I don't know why Canva got all angry about something that simple or honest. What are they afraid of?

weathernewsonline

« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2015, 19:32 »
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Something to remember about going anonymous, a good detective can figure out who you are just by your writing and speaking style, grammar and punctuation and by what you say.  For example if under my real name I mention that I worked in a business for 15 years and saw everything and did this this and that and maybe even talk about the type of things I shoot etc, now under another name I let something slip.....doesn't take much for anyone to put two and two together.

I just don't say anything bad in public (forums) anymore, no good can come of it, my sales will not increase, the agency will not respond and resolve the problem any more or differently than if I sent their support department an email.  It takes a LOT of industrial grade duct-tape for me to keep my mouth shut but I just don't bother saying anything anymore.   I will toss out the odd positive comment if sales are good on a site and maybe mention if sales are flat for me on a site but that's about it....given up on that and trying to focus more on promoting sales, promoting the business and hope that yields more sales.

Note I said industrial strength duct tape :)


Hongover

« Reply #93 on: November 29, 2015, 19:25 »
+6
It looks like Canva removed all my files as well. I don't think I've said anything bad about them in the past...they just seem to be in a purging spree as of late.

Oh well, one less portfolio to worry about. They're gaining traction, but I don't think they have many paying customers. Maybe they see removing contributor portfolio as a way of cutting burn rate. I wish they were more transparent instead of being so passive aggressive about it.

« Reply #94 on: November 29, 2015, 19:30 »
+8
It looks like Canva removed all my files as well. I don't think I've said anything bad about them in the past...they just seem to be in a purging spree as of late.

Oh well, one less portfolio to worry about. They're gaining traction, but I don't think they have many paying customers. Maybe they see removing contributor portfolio as a way of cutting burn rate. I wish they were more transparent instead of being so passive aggressive about it.

Without any explanation? At least we know what kind of person Lee is now.

Hongover

« Reply #95 on: November 29, 2015, 19:36 »
+10
Without any explanation? At least we know what kind of person Lee is now.

The whole thing just disappeared without any explanation. No email, no warming, nothing.

What a waste of time that was. The company is so unprofessional.

« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2015, 20:32 »
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It looks like Canva removed all my files as well. I don't think I've said anything bad about them in the past...they just seem to be in a purging spree as of late.

... I wish they were more transparent instead of being so passive aggressive about it.

Sorry to hear that. Transparency and honesty seem like two simple things that should be the bedrock of an agency/contributor relationship.

Before I was removed, Lee explained that my portfolio had moved "back into our bottom 1%" - I don't know if that was by files in the portfolio, or sales or what - "... so now receives more attention from the cleanup team again". Perhaps the cleanup team just decided that all your files were not acceptable rather than you having transgressed in some way?

I had seen my sales increasing month by month, so I considered that a success, especially as they kept deleting files. However if the sales for the site as a whole were rising much faster than my sales, perhaps they considered that a failure.

Hongover

« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2015, 22:51 »
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Sorry to hear that. Transparency and honesty seem like two simple things that should be the bedrock of an agency/contributor relationship.

Before I was removed, Lee explained that my portfolio had moved "back into our bottom 1%" - I don't know if that was by files in the portfolio, or sales or what - "... so now receives more attention from the cleanup team again". Perhaps the cleanup team just decided that all your files were not acceptable rather than you having transgressed in some way?

I had seen my sales increasing month by month, so I considered that a success, especially as they kept deleting files. However if the sales for the site as a whole were rising much faster than my sales, perhaps they considered that a failure.

I think their cleanup team is just one intern doing mass deletions. I only uploaded my images like 2 months ago. If they didn't want it, they shouldn't have accepted it. They raised a lot of money, but the company is still poorly run. Typical startup.

It's not a big loss. I think you had much more images than I did. It was a test run, but Canva failed badly. I took a close look at their "Canva for Work" product and I think I know why they're doing this.

https://about.canva.com/work/

Look at the pricing. It's a monthly flat price for companies ($12.95/mo). There is no way they can pay a commission to contributors while charging the client a flat rate. I don't think they want to use contributor content, Period.

« Last Edit: November 29, 2015, 22:56 by Hongover »

« Reply #98 on: November 30, 2015, 01:50 »
+5
I hate companies who don't think of contributors.
They simply don't know they right way to do business...

They think, its their business, their market, their website, their doors... why think of contributor benefits.. its only they they and they.

« Reply #99 on: November 30, 2015, 02:11 »
+1
Sorry to hear that. Transparency and honesty seem like two simple things that should be the bedrock of an agency/contributor relationship.

Before I was removed, Lee explained that my portfolio had moved "back into our bottom 1%" - I don't know if that was by files in the portfolio, or sales or what - "... so now receives more attention from the cleanup team again". Perhaps the cleanup team just decided that all your files were not acceptable rather than you having transgressed in some way?

I had seen my sales increasing month by month, so I considered that a success, especially as they kept deleting files. However if the sales for the site as a whole were rising much faster than my sales, perhaps they considered that a failure.

I think their cleanup team is just one intern doing mass deletions. I only uploaded my images like 2 months ago. If they didn't want it, they shouldn't have accepted it. They raised a lot of money, but the company is still poorly run. Typical startup.

It's not a big loss. I think you had much more images than I did. It was a test run, but Canva failed badly. I took a close look at their "Canva for Work" product and I think I know why they're doing this.

https://about.canva.com/work/

Look at the pricing. It's a monthly flat price for companies ($12.95/mo). There is no way they can pay a commission to contributors while charging the client a flat rate. I don't think they want to use contributor content, Period.
Images cost an addition $1 each to license. Not part of the flat fee. You can also upload your own. They probably just want a small collection not masses of variety is my guess.

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