Quote from: Chichikov on May 15, 2020, 04:40

Quote from: PZF on May 15, 2020, 04:15

How do you see the number of sub downloads please?

This morning I could see them in right part of the subscription earnings box.
Now they have disappeared� O_o

Yes, even I saw it. Infuriating...

Well I saw it before they deleted it, and my downloads had increased by 500%.

No wonder they removed the field from the sales page, as everyone must be pretty angry to realise the true RPD.

Canva are clearly too ashamed to be transparent on this issue.

Quote from: KuriousKat on May 15, 2020, 05:35

Well I saw it before they deleted it, and my downloads had increased by 500%.

No wonder they removed the field from the sales page, as everyone must be pretty angry to realise the true RPD.

Canva are clearly too ashamed to be transparent on this issue.

Wow, 5x more downloads and less income?

Anyone here got an increase in their income with this new subscription? Or we can start a poll if you want to remain anonymous. My guess is Canva expect some to earn more, and some earn less, and after 6 months those that earns less will remove their portfolio.

On my side I had a smaller brand of standard color vectors who Almost doubled (85%), and my other brand dropped income by 400$ (compared to march, other months were all better than march). In the end I end up with around as much as I made before.

Why would Canva make such a bold statement of doubling our income if we fall short by... 100%, with no gain at all? Let's see now if they dive into their pocket and pay us the promised double earnings.

My actual earnings for March and April were almost identical, so when Canva double the earning figure I will be better off. I would be happy with double the downloads and double the earnings, but the download number was 5x higher than March.

I've been with Canva since the very start, met Melanie Perkins at the 2013 Berlin Mexpo where the product was launched. At the time, it was a breath of fresh air - particularly as we were all starting to get worried about Shutterstock hitting 20 million images!

It's sad to see the way things have developed. I haven't added any new content to Canva for some time, and now know that I won't. I'll wait out the six months and pull my port. I'd rather take the hit on monthly income than give my work away for pennies. Sadly, even Istock are giving me a much higher RPD and at least they provide a download report. Canva pulling the download number is very telling and that lack of transparency is worrying.

Quote from: KuriousKat on May 15, 2020, 05:35

Well I saw it before they deleted it, and my downloads had increased by 500%.

No wonder they removed the field from the sales page, as everyone must be pretty angry to realise the true RPD.

Canva are clearly too ashamed to be transparent on this issue.

Wow, 5x more downloads and less income?

Anyone here got an increase in their income with this new subscription? Or we can start a poll if you want to remain anonymous. My guess is Canva expect some to earn more, and some earn less, and after 6 months those that earns less will remove their portfolio.

On my side I had a smaller brand of standard color vectors who Almost doubled (85%), and my other brand dropped income by 400$ (compared to march, other months were all better than march). In the end I end up with around as much as I made before.

Why would Canva make such a bold statement of doubling our income if we fall short by... 100%, with no gain at all? Let's see now if they dive into their pocket and pay us the promised double earnings.

Well "normal" dls are around 35c. We all have got the same per dl under the unlimited scheme, if I remember rightly it was approximately 4.6c per dl so you would have to have around 8X the volume to break even (but of course if we had 8x the volume we would be getting 2.3c per dl or whatever if the number of subscribers stays the same because of the way it's calculated).

It is always the same old story "you will make it up in volume", but all this pent up demand never materialises in a big enough way to make up for the losses.

I will definitely remove my images after 6 months, but I'm worried about my IS portfolio on Canva!

My total April Canva income was up a bit over March - but not doubling, or even up to a decent 2016-2018 level. I look forward to them covering the difference to make it double. The fact that they removed the DL numbers is a little telling. I certainly won't be uploading there until the difference is covered.

My total April Canva income was up a bit over March - but not doubling, or even up to a decent 2016-2018 level. I look forward to them covering the difference to make it double. The fact that they removed the DL numbers is a little telling. I certainly won't be uploading there until the difference is covered.

My April was also about the same as March.

We�ll see how they handle that �double earnings� 

So, Morphart, you have been asked a few times on here and SS forums, how it is that you are able to upload and sell scanned vectors of old public domain illustrations and make money from them when they are not your own creations, but you have never answered the question, you suddenly just disappear from whatever the thread is - care to do so now?

How is it that you can scan all old images from books like Troussets Encyclopaedia, convert them into vectors and sell them to make money from? Do you have a special agreement with SS? Do you feel any guilt that they aren't your creations but you are making money from them? Do you have special dispensation from SS to upload public domain images that no-one else has? You have 611 pages of "vintage engraved" images, over 61,000 images which you did not create.

Will you answer or disappear?

Hi!

I don't remember you messaging me about this and not sure why you focus on me? Uncle Pete asked me some advice and information and I gladly gave it to him, not quite sure what you want me to answer to you?
I don't have anything to prove and I don't make the rules. I started with PD in 2011 when I saw so much of that content on iStock with most being bad quality scan so I tried to make them better, pure white on black and keyworded and uploaded them. I gave it a try and developped a niche over time. If you think there is no work behind it, just jump in the game and do the same thing, I don't see no one stopping you and I don't mind, there are already thousands doing this. I am definetly not the only one using public domain material, on gettyimage/istock you'll find many hundred of thousands of PD images and none are from me.

So to answer you questions (just not sure why I need to be a delegate for that):
- Do I feel guilt?
No, public domain work is what it is. Public domain. There are music artists making money out of PD work, millions of books re-edited and republished as is from PD work, millions of people using PD illustrations and photos on merchandise, thousands redoing old PD theatre piece, etc.
I don't make the law. Do I feel creative pride? Of course not. However I do love plunging into 1800s books and finding old text and illustrations and putting them back to life and available for people. This brings me some visibility and I get very interesting custom vintage illustration contract where on those I can create original work for clients using the old vintage style which I also love doing. I also have 40 000 creative color vectors and 3000+ video clips, why is this shocking you?

- For Shutterstock, I don't normally go to their forum unless I have a specific issue with them, and I don't remember you messaging me there either or emailing me. In any case, if you see that I don't answer in regards to shutterstock or other people do not answer, then you have your answer there. Please ask Shutterstock your concern and questions, as I cannot disclose any information. I just reread and I cannot disclose the terms of the agreement with SS, that said they do not say I cannot disclose that I have an agreement.

Now...... why are you posting this in this thread again?

Message me in PM and I'll gladly answer your question, but I don't have anything to prove and don't want to do a philosophical debate on public domain. I mainly do not involve myself with the forum so much now as I focus more on work and feel most of the thread now is mainly complaining. I have fun in the early years, I do like to read those that are here since I started in 2011 and try to follow up with this everchanging industry and try not to lose income over time.

Some do microstock to expand their art. For me microstock is 100% business and I keep the ''artistic and creative'' part for custom work of clients.

Thanks for answering. So you do have an agreement with SS which is why no-one else can submit similar PD images, they already have over 60,000 from you so why accept more - only so many books with illustrations you can use I suppose? So not only are you making money from other people's creations (albeit PD images), you are actually stopping other people from doing the same by having this special agreement with SS?

I do wonder if it was you/your agreement with SS that prompted them to no longer accept PD images.

I didn't say there wasn't any work involved, and I didn't reference IS or Getty - they have different rules I guess and we all know they are just about making as much money as possible so selling PD images for them is of no moral consequence whatsoever.

Anyway, thanks for confirming that there is an agreement, I always suspected there was for there to be so many images.

Classy business strategy - make money from other people's creations and get the main agency to allow you to do it.

Do other people's PD images get rejected while Morphart's are accepted? I didn't realise that. It seems odd.

Have you tried submitting the same illustrations? They are all easily searchable online in scanned versions via various archives. You only have to play around with the contrast and autotrace (play with the settings and you'll find a decent default). Morphart doesn't have any claim on the originals only his versions.

You even know which ones sell well.

EDIT: prompted me to look on SS, there many people doing the same thing as far as I can tell. For example

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/octopus-vulgaris-vintage-engraved-illustration-dictionnaire-97647422
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/common-octopus-vulgaris-isolated-on-white-82633861

and as far as Morphart's portfolio goes I'd be more concerned about: (in case they're deleted, an illustration of batman, actually described as batman and key-worded as such and ditto an illustration of pikachu key-worded and described as such and with pokemon also in the keywords, neither editorial).

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/cute-little-cartoon-batman-dressed-black-1388405396

or

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/pikachu-illustration-vector-on-white-background-1561967617

(picking jaw off the floor) Now that's a deal.

Guys, please don't hijack this thread. If you guys want to talk about public domain and stuffs, please bring this to another thread.

You're right, sorry

May 18 here in the Far East.  Still no payment received.  It just gets later and later each month.

No explanation why they need more and more time, no respect for their own deadline. I guess they will start to pay us as IS / Getty, if not latter.

No explanation why they need more and more time, no respect for their own deadline. I guess they will start to pay us as IS / Getty, if not latter.

In that case I will also treat them the same way (not uploading anymore).

Didn't they say 15th at the latest in one of their replies? (or was that for reporting not payment?)

I think that was for reporting - which they did on the 15th.

That said, the latest I've ever received payment in the past was the 16th, and usually much earlier than that. I'm not sure what the contributor TOS say, as they aren't easy to find.