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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2023, 07:30 »
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I am sure it will be a monthly bonus. What we received now is too low to be a one time boost as Adobe paid us.

I can imagine there could be more payments for new content in the future - But why would Canva pay you for usage to train their AI for the same image each month?


Mir

« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2023, 07:41 »
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DannyCanva said this:
"AI royalties will continued to be paid each and every month going forward."
I think they also mentioned it would be for the next 3 years, but I might be wrong, not sure this period was for the AI royalties.

I myself opted out.

« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2023, 08:00 »
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DannyCanva said this:
"AI royalties will continued to be paid each and every month going forward."
I think they also mentioned it would be for the next 3 years, but I might be wrong, not sure this period was for the AI royalties.

I myself opted out.

Yepp. Still have my doubts they'll pay you for the same images that have already been used for training each month. But I guess we'll see next month.

Mir

« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2023, 08:15 »
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Yepp. Still have my doubts they'll pay you for the same images that have already been used for training each month. But I guess we'll see next month.

I won't receive anything since I opted out. I added the info for those asking.

« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2023, 09:48 »
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I am sure it will be a monthly bonus. What we received now is too low to be a one time boost as Adobe paid us.

I think so too. According to what was written in the detailed information, there will be a monthly payment if they use our content for AI development.

« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2023, 10:20 »
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I think so too. According to what was written in the detailed information, there will be a monthly payment if they use our content for AI development.
I would be very happy if you are right and this is "only" the monthly payment.

But there it also says very clearly below the payment "We've given your first payment a one-time boost as special thanks....".
"We've given..." is the past tense and so it means that the one-time payment in my case should already be included in the $2.01.

That's why I would like to see an official information here and I think with 9k images you are allowed to ask for it @DannyCanva :-)

« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2023, 11:00 »
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I think so too. According to what was written in the detailed information, there will be a monthly payment if they use our content for AI development.
I would be very happy if you are right and this is "only" the monthly payment.

But there it also says very clearly below the payment "We've given your first payment a one-time boost as special thanks....".
"We've given..." is the past tense and so it means that the one-time payment in my case should already be included in the $2.01.

That's why I would like to see an official information here and I think with 9k images you are allowed to ask for it @DannyCanva :-)

Unfortunately, the description below the amount and the description in the detailed information are contradictory. We hope to receive an official answer soon from
* DannyCanva
  :)

« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2023, 12:56 »
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yes, pretty pathetic - $14   will see how monthly payments accrue

« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2023, 17:03 »
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Because under the amount it says: "We 've given your first payment a one-time boost and special thanks..." you obviously can't expect much in the next months, because the "boost" won't be there anymore.

Even with the Ai payment I have less than months before. Given the complete non transparency of the payment system, they could have easily taken away Royalty Earnings and given part of it back to us as a Magic Creator Payment :D
« Last Edit: October 18, 2023, 17:08 by cosus »

« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2023, 17:10 »
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Miserable magic payment.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2023, 01:28 »
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cryptically and poorly
So funny how true this turned out to be.

« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2023, 12:51 »
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I received $21 of Magic Creator payment, which isn't much, on top of already dwindling sales....It shows that Canva will shortly be one of the mid-tier agencies for me. Monthly earnings are now 30% of what they used to be 2 years ago.

« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2023, 09:42 »
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It's your responsibility to agree to the Contributor agreement : https://www.canva.com/policies/contributor-agreement/
If you disagree, you can delete your account, as simple as that.
Why complain for the AI Compensation of Magic Creator?  It's your responsibility to opt out from what you disagree! (and I am happy I opted out).
as if Canva is trying to scam contributors...  ::)

« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2023, 09:57 »
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Hi DannyCanva,

...
I just received $2.01 for my initial participation in the AI Creators program for my 8,966 photos.
Sorry, but I can only hope this is a joke, because $0.000224 can hardly be adequate compensation for using photos to train your AI.
...

I hope there will be some more compensation here and ask for some official info on this.
For context, I'll quote myself - sorry about that :-)

Since we don't seem to get an answer here to the question whether (in my case $2.01) this was the total compensation for our assets (in my case 9000 images), I just spent a good half hour on the Canva site looking for a support email - with no result.
I'm probably just too blind to find it :)

Does anyone have a Canva support email address handy so I can follow up on whether that was all the compensation?

Thank you,
Michael

PS: And yes I know you could have clicked opt-out, but that's not the point here. The point is at least reasonably fair compensation.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2023, 10:00 by JustAnImage »

Mir

« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2023, 10:55 »
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2023, 11:02 »
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2023, 05:27 »
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https://www.canva.com/en_au/help/creators-support-form/
Thank you Mir - I guess I was looking too hard for an email :-)
To keep you informed on the topic of "Was it all to Boost AI Payment":
I got a really quick response from support with clear and concise answers, so from there a "thumbs up" for support.

However, the content of the answers is really sobering.
I was told that the "one-time Boost payment" is 20% of the average last month's earnings.
So it is calculated completely according to the use of the image data and not according to the amount of data, which in my opinion is already the wrong approach for an AI training, but well so it is.

If we now take 20% of the average last monthly revenue (which is 1.67% of the average annual revenue - 20 divided by 12) as a one-time "boost payment" for the use of the AI training, this results in my case with 8966 photos in a usage fee of $2.01 divided by 8966 = $0.000224, i.e. 0.02 cents per image.

Furthermore I got the hint in the support that the future monthly AI usage fees can be significantly lower, quote:
-> "To set your expectations, this initial payment is intentionally larger than what the monthly payments will be since those payments will be based on your upcoming content.".

So it will still be significantly less than $2.01 - Um, hello?

We were already upset when iStock set the royalties at 15% and when Shutterstock restarted the hamster wheel with the steps every year and cut our royalties by about 60%.

But what is happening here at Canva is, in my personal opinion, really unsurpassable in terms of greed.
For me, this is really completely ridiculous and absurd.

I realize that I'm risking my Canva account with this post, because I'm sure I'll make myself unpopular there.
But there really are limits to greed and they are exceeded here by lengths.

This just had to come out now,
Greetings, Michael



« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2023, 14:09 »
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And what about Pixabay.com, the AI also trains there, surely it wasn't in the original conditions?
Nobody ever "paid for Coffee" anyway, sad.


 

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