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Title: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 15, 2020, 08:01
This really going out to the Canva reps who I know read this forum.

We are approaching the end of the term where they guaranteed out income would be double March's.

I applaud them for putting their money where their mouth is with regards to their belief that there was a huge untapped market of people who would use our images if only they didnít have pay a dollar for them or whatever (as laughable as this was to those of use who have heard the same thing from agencies multiple times).

But clearly they were wrong. As we predicted downloads increased massively,  just not enough to compensate us meaningfully (no where near double income, for some even a sizeable decrease). Leaving us standing still with our work further devalued; sales cannibalised from better paying sites or non subscription downloads on Canva (i.e. same old story).

So whatís the plan? By their own metrics this scheme has absolutely not worked for contributors as expected. Will they now raise their subscription fee to compensate us to a level they themselves defined as fair a few months ago (double our income)? Or was that all just lip service?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: marthamarks on September 15, 2020, 10:57
Or was that all just lip service?

Methinks that's what it was.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on September 15, 2020, 11:17
I didn't earn double numbers, but honestly with this new plan, introduced in April or whenever I'm still doing better then before.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on September 15, 2020, 20:04
i never made 2x march, but every month it's been enough to double what i made w any other site other than SS
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: DannyCanva on September 24, 2020, 23:49
Hey, happy to comment :)

We've significantly increased payments to contributors since April, even ignoring the 2x guarantee. These increases were to "subscription earnings"; and so it's natural to see download royalty earnings significantly decline; until you get the subscription earnings at the end of each month. The majority of contributors are earning more money than before.

I understand that some aren't. Commenting generally, older content tends to fall out of favour with our users as time goes by, so if you're seeing earning decreases I would suggest seeing whether you can refresh your Canva portfolio with newer shoots. Changes in what Canva users (and the world) searches for also affect this.

The new subscription program has been a success for us, and we hope you see it as the same. We are continuing to work on (and invest a lot of $$$ into) growing Canva Pro, and any increases in subscriptions correspond 1:1 to our royalty pools and your earnings. Our outlook and forecasts are quite positive.

Justanotherphotographer, I'd love to hear why you think it hasn't worked out as expected? Feel free to reply here, or DM me if you'd like to share details privately.

Cheers,
Danny
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: DannyCanva on September 24, 2020, 23:57
P.S. I can share increasing diversity and representation in our content is one of our focus areas. Empowering everyone is part of our mission and core values. We'll be testing out modest boosts for diverse imagery in search results, as well as working to add an ethnicity filter in search results (like other stock photography sites).

We are also scaling up template creation for every locale and culture. When we create templates, we often use premium photos from contributors and these can drive a lot of sales/usages/royalties. I would expect diverse content (ethnicity, different cultures, locales) to get a modest boost over the coming months and years.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: amabu on September 25, 2020, 02:15
Hi Danny,

why have you stopped displaying the number of subscription downloads? That makes it very intransparent and is probably the reason why contributors are sceptical.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Yakystockero on September 25, 2020, 02:22
Well, improving the times in which the new photos are reviewed would be fine, after two months in queue some of my photos have been rejected, while most of them simply continue "In review"
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Mir on September 25, 2020, 03:56
You say to refresh our Canva portfolio with newer shoots.
I have a few images from last year that are still in review.
I stopped uploading because of this, previously I've had images in review for months too, but this is new.
I am never sure what will happen when I upload, not to mention that in the past I've uploaded season specific images and they've been reviewed half a year later.
Do you plan to improve the contributor side?

Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: eyewave on September 25, 2020, 07:28
Well, improving the times in which the new photos are reviewed would be fine, after two months in queue some of my photos have been rejected, while most of them simply continue "In review"

Similar here, hundreds of vectors in review for up to six months now, many rejected for no obvious reason (accepted everywhere else), so I stopped uploading anything. Have asked for clarification months ago and was promised that someone would look into the case, but nothing really happens.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 25, 2020, 10:30
P.S. I can share increasing diversity and representation in our content is one of our focus areas. Empowering everyone is part of our mission and core values. We'll be testing out modest boosts for diverse imagery in search results, as well as working to add an ethnicity filter in search results (like other stock photography sites).

We are also scaling up template creation for every locale and culture. When we create templates, we often use premium photos from contributors and these can drive a lot of sales/usages/royalties. I would expect diverse content (ethnicity, different cultures, locales) to get a modest boost over the coming months and years.
I have seen a very slight increase in income.

When the scheme was being introduced you predicted we would be seeing at least a doubling in income.

My increase is nowhere near that level and it is at the expense of tens of thousands of additional downloads (many time the amount I had before). I know because you initially showed us download numbers and had to delete those stats after seeing how rightly outraged many contributors were at the RPD, less than 5c a download if I remember correctly; fuelling the race to the bottom.

If you are happy with how it is going why do you feel the need to now hide how much you are selling our content for? How about some transparency then we can make an informed decision about which work to supply you with.



Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 25, 2020, 11:19
Here is the quote from the email convincing us to stay with the program:

"Will my earnings drop after the guarantee period?
We expect your actual earnings to exceed the guarantee, especially by the end of the guarantee period"


So your "I'd love to hear why you think it hasn't worked out as expected?" sounds a bit condescending in that context no? or are you saying that income has more than doubled for most contributors?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 25, 2020, 11:26

Your prediction/ expectation was absolutely not that you'd "significantly increased payments to contributors since April"  but that you would more than double our income (also meaningless without telling us how many more contributors there are).

I guess that's why I said things haven't worked out as expected, because you told us specifically what was expected and things haven't worked out that way. Was it really necessary phrase it "love to hear why" in that context? Almost sounds like gaslighting in that context no?

Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on September 25, 2020, 17:32
...

We are also scaling up template creation for every locale and culture. When we create templates, we often use premium photos from contributors and these can drive a lot of sales/usages/royalties. I would expect diverse content (ethnicity, different cultures, locales) to get a modest boost over the coming months and years.

if this is true why was i told my submissions from Bhutan, India, and Morocco were not relevant anymore?

otoh, subs have increased my earnings over last year by 2x, but are about the same as Mar 2020. my main concern is what happens after the guarantee period?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Chichikov on September 26, 2020, 06:49
You say to refresh our Canva portfolio with newer shoots.
I have a few images from last year that are still in review.
I stopped uploading because of this, previously I've had images in review for months too, but this is new.
I am never sure what will happen when I upload, not to mention that in the past I've uploaded season specific images and they've been reviewed half a year later.
Do you plan to improve the contributor side?


Well, improving the times in which the new photos are reviewed would be fine, after two months in queue some of my photos have been rejected, while most of them simply continue "In review"

Similar here, hundreds of vectors in review for up to six months now, many rejected for no obvious reason (accepted everywhere else), so I stopped uploading anything. Have asked for clarification months ago and was promised that someone would look into the case, but nothing really happens.

Same here!
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 26, 2020, 08:03
Did yíall know thereís a huge group of people who use canva to create simple designs which they offer for sale as digital downloads on Etsy?  Nothing extra to the contributor.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PhotoBomb on September 26, 2020, 10:38
Did yíall know thereís a huge group of people who use canva to create simple designs which they offer for sale as digital downloads on Etsy?  Nothing extra to the contributor.

No!
Thanks for the heads up - Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 26, 2020, 12:54
Lurk in the FB group ďdigital passive incomeĒ.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 27, 2020, 07:07
Lurk in the FB group ďdigital passive incomeĒ.
Don't fall into the YouTube rabbit-hole of people telling eachother how to do this. It's infuriating. Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 27, 2020, 09:06
I mean, apparently the Canva license allows it, but I donít think most realize that.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: ShadySue on September 27, 2020, 09:10
I mean, apparently the Canva license allows it, but I donít think most realize that.
I actually thought that was one of Canva's main 'markets'.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 28, 2020, 02:48
Reading into it a bit I am not sure the license does allow it. The templates being sold I think should have watermarked images unless they are from canva's own free collection?

Maybe the rep can clear this up!

Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Annie on September 28, 2020, 15:56
I saw this come up on my Twitter feed last night and then came over to see what MSG forum was saying about Canva, and lo-and-behold you were talking about the same thing.

https://twitter.com/jennymarston_xo/status/1310647966601011200

https://twitter.com/jennymarston_xo


This is huge competition to us. I see these Canva templates all over Pinterest and being used on bloggers sites instead of professional photography.

Is this just another way to rip off the poor old photographer once again?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 28, 2020, 16:01
"I saw this come up on my Twitter feed last night"

Boy, that really seems like it cheapens the whole idea of ... creativity?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Annie on September 28, 2020, 16:35
The bloggers market is a HUGE market nowadays, especially with the large rise of Mom Bloggers. See Pinterest's research stats released in 2019:

https://blog.hootsuite.com/pinterest-statistics-for-business/
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Annie on September 28, 2020, 16:45
I am trying to find some examples to show how the bloggers are now using these templates instead of stock photography on their sites.

This is just one that I quickly found. If you spend a lot of time researching Pinterest you will find literally hundreds and hundreds of them.

https://zerotobiz.com/

Why should they buy stock anymore when this has become the latest 'trend'? Maybe I am over-dramatising it, but I really feel like the rug has been pulled out from under our feet.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on September 28, 2020, 16:49
"Adding new listings is one of my favorite hacks for expanding your online store"

Lol.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Annie on September 28, 2020, 17:48
Everyone wants more and more images, but no-one's willing to pay for them.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: dk on September 29, 2020, 13:21
Sorry for the off-topic but does Canva accept video? I see mp4 as an option on the web uploader.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on October 03, 2020, 09:44
Example of usage...
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PZF on October 12, 2020, 12:47
It would be nice to hear from Canva about this use of their templates......
:(
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on October 12, 2020, 19:30
It would be nice to hear from Canva about this use of their templates......
:(
definitely!

dannycanva was  here 2 wks ago (and in PM) but not a peep in response!! did we scare him off?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: lark on October 12, 2020, 23:53
If you see your images in Etsy shop with Canva templates and if you think that the Canva license does not allow this you can ask the shop owner to remove it or report the shop to Etsy support. They do close shops for copyright infringement. Shop owners are very afraid from this and they immediately will remove the listing with your image. But they will continue to use other people images. In most cases shop owners do not understand very well what is allowed or not allowed. If nobody complains they just do this to earn some money. Etsy itself do not monitor this - they only take action if there is a report. The problem is that if there are shops that operate for months and years other people see this and they do the same - so expect in the near future to see more shops with Canva templates. Canva can stop them if clarify in their License description that this usage is not allowed. If they do not do this only the image owners can do it by reporting shops.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Annie on October 13, 2020, 01:38
If you see your images in Etsy shop with Canva templates and if you think that the Canva license does not allow this you can ask the shop owner to remove it or report the shop to Etsy support. They do close shops for copyright infringement. Shop owners are very afraid from this and they immediately will remove the listing with your image. But they will continue to use other people images. In most cases shop owners do not understand very well what is allowed or not allowed. If nobody complains they just do this to earn some money. Etsy itself do not monitor this - they only take action if there is a report. The problem is that if there are shops that operate for months and years other people see this and they do the same - so expect in the near future to see more shops with Canva templates. Canva can stop them if clarify in their License description that this usage is not allowed. If they do not do this only the image owners can do it by reporting shops.

Thanks for this.


Here are all the Canva template resellers on Etsy if anyone is interested:

https://www.etsy.com/au/search?q=canva%20templates (https://www.etsy.com/au/search?q=canva%20templates)

Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: WendyT on October 13, 2020, 04:03
I did question this with them and it is apparently allowed within their user agreement.
My Question:
"Can I make templates for Instagram on Canva and sell them via Etsy?"

This was the reply:
"Canva Pro gives you access to FREE and PRO photos that are covered under our Free Media License and One-Design Use License respectively. Both allow you to use them for commercial purposes. Check this out for more info: https://about.canva.com/license-agreements/. Hope this helps!"

Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on October 23, 2020, 14:06
Another one.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Noedelhap on November 17, 2020, 08:28
I can confirm there are Etsy sellers reselling digital Canva creations because the Canva license indeed allows that.

In my opinion Canva shouldn't allow reselling, especially not if we get more and more subscription downloads. Some ignorant 'creative' Etsy shop owner spends 5 minutes to make a lazy mashup of original content to make a few passive bucks (while we get 5c per download) is just really aggravating.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on November 19, 2020, 11:11
So, anyone else recived double payment from Canva this month. Didn't they say, they will pay double for 6 months what would make payment for September last double paying month? Or did I miscalculat sth.?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on November 19, 2020, 11:25
So, anyone else recived double payment from Canva this month. Didn't they say, they will pay double for 6 months what would make payment for September last double paying month? Or did I miscalculat sth.?
The double guarantee should be over now, last months was the sixth. Are you sure you didn't just earn around double?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: amabu on November 19, 2020, 12:53
So, anyone else recived double payment from Canva this month. Didn't they say, they will pay double for 6 months what would make payment for September last double paying month? Or did I miscalculat sth.?

Yes, I got the double payment as well and have now a negative balance...
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Microstockphoto on November 25, 2020, 05:42
never was a big seller on canva with out about 300 photos, made 50 bucks a month or so, at least payout every 2 months, now i make 2 bucks a month, so pay out every 50 months. something doubled alright, but it wasnt $$$
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Mumut Greenstripe on November 25, 2020, 07:58
So, anyone else recived double payment from Canva this month. Didn't they say, they will pay double for 6 months what would make payment for September last double paying month? Or did I miscalculat sth.?

Yes, I got the double payment as well and have now a negative balance...

I got big share from subscription sale, and balance is normal, no negative. Got to love Canva
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: zsooofija on November 25, 2020, 11:14
never was a big seller on canva with out about 300 photos, made 50 bucks a month or so, at least payout every 2 months, now i make 2 bucks a month, so pay out every 50 months. something doubled alright, but it wasnt $$$

The six month period when they payed double earnings ended, so October sales are already real sales. How come you didn't get double earnings for last 6 months? Maybe you deleted some images or something (that was one of the criteria so you do not delete images already accepted).
My sales for October were better than the double earnings, so I am happy so far.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Anyka on December 02, 2020, 03:38
Look what I got in my mail today : 


Contributor Updates December 2020 Extended guarantee We bring you great news! After seeing the response of Canva users in having your amazing content included in the Canva Pro subscription package, we are extending the double earnings guarantee until December 2020![/color][/color]The double earnings guarantee was originally planned to run from March to September 2020. Weíve done this to show how much we appreciate our contributors, particularly with everything thatís been going on in the world in 2020. We have already applied this to your October earnings which is reflected on your November payment.[/size][/color]
   
  [/color]NOTE: Guarantee only applies if you do not remove any photos or elements from your portfolio. During the guarantee period, your total earnings will be at least double your March 2020 earnings, or your actual earnings for the month; whichever is higher. The extended guarantee period lasts for 3 more months (Oct 2020 to Dec 2020 inclusive).[/size][/i][/color]
 [/t]   [/color]As before, Canva users who are not subscribed to Canva Pro will continue to pay for a license to use your content in their designs. [/size][/color][/size][/color]That's all there is to it! Watch out for more updates![/size][/color][/size]
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on December 02, 2020, 05:27
Great news, that explains, why I got double earnings
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Mumut Greenstripe on December 02, 2020, 05:40
This SAINTLY act by the most benevolent team on microstock has secured my family's rice supply for three months to come! Thank you Canva :')
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: farbled on December 02, 2020, 11:56
Danny (Canva) is there a way to contact you directly? I am finding lots of my images on Canva that I do not have for license anywhere else. I closed my account with canva over a year ago.  I need some help figuring out where you guys are pulling these images from.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: [email protected] on December 07, 2020, 23:31
anyone can see canva  november subscription earning ? My dashboard display earning  zero today
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PhotoBomb on December 08, 2020, 01:13
There's a bug - they know about it and are on it. Earlier today everybody had a negative balance.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on December 08, 2020, 20:57
previous month's subscriptions don't show up til around the 15th
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PZF on December 15, 2020, 12:00
OK. Pretty decent sum has turned up for Subs income November. :)  But not the same as previous months.:(

So not the 'double earnings' any more or is it just me who has got this reduced amount?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: zsooofija on December 15, 2020, 12:46
OK. Pretty decent sum has turned up for Subs income November. :)  But not the same as previous months.:(

So not the 'double earnings' any more or is it just me who has got this reduced amount?

I got more than double so I don't know. It's possible it's just a bug (there were some negative earnings showing when they introduced double earnings).
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: biibii on December 18, 2020, 10:44
what is the minimum compensation (commission for a sale) now? am not registered there but skeptical
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: WendyT on December 27, 2020, 22:01
what is the minimum compensation (commission for a sale) now? am not registered there but skeptical
35% of whatever is paid in a subscription ... and we have no idea how many subs we sell because they dont tell us, so we really dont know.

Has anyone had the guaranteed amount for November?  Mine is wayless than previous months!
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Anyka on December 28, 2020, 04:23
Yes, I got the extended payment of the double-of-March.  It was paid on 16th December.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PZF on January 01, 2021, 03:47

Has anyone had the guaranteed amount for November?  Mine is wayless than previous months!

Yes, mine was well down. I sent emailed, but have heard nothing to date. :(
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: EO on January 07, 2021, 16:00
Did yíall know thereís a huge group of people who use canva to create simple designs which they offer for sale as digital downloads on Etsy?  Nothing extra to the contributor.

Wow. Thanks for the heads up. Template design as a service, I get. But not as a product.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on January 20, 2021, 04:31
Anyone else noticed that their november sub earnings are higher than it was first reproted? From sub sales I earn between 65-70$, I can't remember exactly the amount it was but I'm 100% sure it was in that range. Now I checked and it 116$. And this is not that extra amount that they add to reach double earnings from march, it's higher than that.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Anyka on January 20, 2021, 05:30
Yes, same here, but I went back in time more, and noticed that the other months went up too, but for juli/aug/sept/oct ... it totalled to the exact 2x March amount, so that is understandable.  However, november is HIGHER than 2x March, and a lot higher than the real earnings.   ????
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: pancaketom on January 21, 2021, 00:26
my November subs went up a lot - I think I wrote down what they originally reported, but the current report is definitely more than the 2x that the previous months have been.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: PhotoBomb on January 21, 2021, 00:45
Several months all add up to the same dollar amount, all higher than originally reported with the exception of November which is considerably higher than the original total.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 24, 2021, 13:10
ill say it one more time, ive gone from payout one a month/2months, to never seeing a payout again, i am down to 2 sales per month, so divide pay out threshold 100 dollar by about 78 cent, and thats how many months it will take to get paid again. canva probably lined their pockets by selling out to getty, but canva is dead for me. just not taking my images down, too much effort lol
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on March 24, 2021, 18:04
are you not getting sub sales?  my monthly direct sales are down > 50%  but, with the subs, overall payouts (every month) have been steady
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 28, 2021, 04:16
are you not getting sub sales?  my monthly direct sales are down > 50%  but, with the subs, overall payouts (every month) have been steady

i had a few subs when they first came out, since then nothing zilch nada
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 28, 2021, 07:31
Not sure how Canva has gotten away with the pay structure of "let us sell your work in our subs offering and we will chuck you as much cash as we feel like on any given day, with zero transparency to boot. Pinky swear it will be fine"

It is absolutely crazy, I think we must all be been under some sort of mass hypnosis!
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on March 28, 2021, 22:35
Not sure how Canva has gotten away with the pay structure of "let us sell your work in our subs offering and we will chuck you as much cash as we feel like on any given day, with zero transparency to boot. Pinky swear it will be fine"

It is absolutely crazy, I think we must all be been under some sort of mass hypnosis!
what are they getting away with? NO other agency shares their subscription earnings this way! - to the benefit of the artists

if only the other sites would follow this model - sub sales on canva have been great compared to their former sales
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 29, 2021, 01:19
Not sure how Canva has gotten away with the pay structure of "let us sell your work in our subs offering and we will chuck you as much cash as we feel like on any given day, with zero transparency to boot. Pinky swear it will be fine"

It is absolutely crazy, I think we must all be been under some sort of mass hypnosis!
what are they getting away with? NO other agency shares their subscription earnings this way! - to the benefit of the artists

if only the other sites would follow this model - sub sales on canva have been great compared to their former sales
We don't even know what percentage we are getting collectively. They just choose a total amount they want to split between contributors and send it out with a vague promise they will increase it as they increase sales. Not even a promise they will do so in proportion to their income or anything. Is there any other agency that operates like this? Do you have any doubt they will cut our payments without us even knowing when they hit saturation?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: cascoly on March 29, 2021, 18:43
Not sure how Canva has gotten away with the pay structure of "let us sell your work in our subs offering and we will chuck you as much cash as we feel like on any given day, with zero transparency to boot. Pinky swear it will be fine"

It is absolutely crazy, I think we must all be been under some sort of mass hypnosis!
what are they getting away with? NO other agency shares their subscription earnings this way! - to the benefit of the artists

if only the other sites would follow this model - sub sales on canva have been great compared to their former sales
We don't even know what percentage we are getting collectively. They just choose a total amount they want to split between contributors and send it out with a vague promise they will increase it as they increase sales. Not even a promise they will do so in proportion to their income or anything. Is there any other agency that operates like this? Do you have any doubt they will cut our payments without us even knowing when they hit saturation?

so you totally believe everything the other agencies tell you about sales?  every week it seems it's another agencies night in the barrel.  at least canva is doing something - why do you support other agencies that give you ZERO from  their unused subscriptions, etc?
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 30, 2021, 02:59

so you totally believe everything the other agencies tell you about sales?  every week it seems it's another agencies night in the barrel.  at least canva is doing something - why do you support other agencies that give you ZERO from  their unused subscriptions, etc?

I am all for the idea of splitting a percentage of total sub payments between contributors based on how many downloads each contributor gets. It is much better than Shutterstockís new payment structure where we do indeed get zero from unused subs and SS gets to pretend they pay a much larger percentage to use than they actually do.
 
This isnít what is happening with Canva. They are paying out an amount each month, the level of which which they get to decide on with zero transparency, and without any indication of how they come up with the figure. I canít believe you are defending it and not pushing for better terms. Why would you support a business relationship where one side gets to 100% set the terms like that? Why not try and negotiate for a better deal. Itís weird to me.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 30, 2021, 08:06

so you totally believe everything the other agencies tell you about sales?  every week it seems it's another agencies night in the barrel.  at least canva is doing something - why do you support other agencies that give you ZERO from  their unused subscriptions, etc?

I am all for the idea of splitting a percentage of total sub payments between contributors based on how many downloads each contributor gets. It is much better than Shutterstockís new payment structure where we do indeed get zero from unused subs and SS gets to pretend they pay a much larger percentage to use than they actually do.
 
This isnít what is happening with Canva. They are paying out an amount each month, the level of which which they get to decide on with zero transparency, and without any indication of how they come up with the figure. I canít believe you are defending it and not pushing for better terms. Why would you support a business relationship where one side gets to 100% set the terms like that? Why not try and negotiate for a better deal. Itís weird to me.

While you covered both agencies and what they do and don't really do, just fine, I wonder about the last part? How?

"Why not try and negotiate for a better deal."

How does someone do that? I've never had any agency offer to negotiate and I've never seen any of them listen to us.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Yakystockero on March 30, 2021, 08:58

"Why not try and negotiate for a better deal."

How does someone do that? I've never had any agency offer to negotiate and I've never seen any of them listen to us.


Cavan Images does it, you can go from 40% to 50% if you convince them.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on March 30, 2021, 10:23

so you totally believe everything the other agencies tell you about sales?  every week it seems it's another agencies night in the barrel.  at least canva is doing something - why do you support other agencies that give you ZERO from  their unused subscriptions, etc?

I am all for the idea of splitting a percentage of total sub payments between contributors based on how many downloads each contributor gets. It is much better than Shutterstockís new payment structure where we do indeed get zero from unused subs and SS gets to pretend they pay a much larger percentage to use than they actually do.
 
This isnít what is happening with Canva. They are paying out an amount each month, the level of which which they get to decide on with zero transparency, and without any indication of how they come up with the figure. I canít believe you are defending it and not pushing for better terms. Why would you support a business relationship where one side gets to 100% set the terms like that? Why not try and negotiate for a better deal. Itís weird to me.

It's not, that we don't like transparency, but, even if they put out how they calculate it, what difference would it make? They can change those calculations in a heartbeat and you couldn't do crap about it. Just like with shutterstock. They basically cut sub royalties overnight, where did negotiations came in, remind me?

At the end of the month, all that matters are $$, and Canva for me it's one of the top tiers. And that's the only thing that matters.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 30, 2021, 13:56

Cavan Images does it, you can go from 40% to 50% if you convince them.

Yup, and one of the top agencies that has tiers boosted me to second from top tier from the outset and gave me preferential search placement in the algorithm. The most egregious thing I was offered was a deal on a new subs site were 50% income was split between contributors. I was offered for each of my downloads to count as two units in the calculation in perpetuity (I refused to ever upload my images to this site as this was so dishonest, taking money from other contributors without them knowing).

Anyway back on topic, C and other agencies are reading this thread right now and getting the impression that contributors donít care what they get as long as are paid something. You donít even have to tell us what we got per download or as a percentage of sales, so that's good carry on.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 31, 2021, 10:03

"Why not try and negotiate for a better deal."

How does someone do that? I've never had any agency offer to negotiate and I've never seen any of them listen to us.


Cavan Images does it, you can go from 40% to 50% if you convince them.

Not to be rude, but I mean someplace I actually care about that pays in the first place?  ;) Like Adobe, or Alamy?


Yup, and one of the top agencies that has tiers boosted me to second from top tier from the outset and gave me preferential search placement in the algorithm. The most egregious thing I was offered was a deal on a new subs site were 50% income was split between contributors. I was offered for each of my downloads to count as two units in the calculation in perpetuity (I refused to ever upload my images to this site as this was so dishonest, taking money from other contributors without them knowing).

Anyway back on topic, C and other agencies are reading this thread right now and getting the impression that contributors donít care what they get as long as are paid something. You donít even have to tell us what we got per download or as a percentage of sales, so that's good carry on.

Yes to both you must have some really good portfolio/collection to get an offer. Nice going. The second part, yeah, the next big thing in Microstock, mystery commissions that are based on no data and no numbers. Looks dangerous. I don't think it's a good plan, but what do I know.

It's not, that we don't like transparency, but, even if they put out how they calculate it, what difference would it make? They can change those calculations in a heartbeat and you couldn't do crap about it. Just like with shutterstock. They basically cut sub royalties overnight, where did negotiations came in, remind me?

And add to that list of cuts, without negotiation, IS, 123RF, Pond5, Alamy, Fotolia, Dreamstime, Deposit, Bigstock and I'm sure others that I'm not aware of and are irrelevant because cutting something that's nearly invisible, doesn't mean much.

As Justanotherphotographer noted, not telling could lead to other industry changes in a bad way.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on April 12, 2021, 10:05
So the March earnings were posted a few days ago. My best month there, almost triple from my last years March earnings and also best earner for March of all agencies.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Anyka on April 13, 2021, 03:17
Is it just me, or does Canva pay out the PREVIOUS month ?
In February I thought they had made a mistake by paying out January (too much), then in March I thought they were compensating for their mistake (not enough), but now in April, I'm getting the impression that they are paying me February ...  And when I recalculate all payments, it looks like the have been paying the previous month in Jan/Feb/March ...
Any one else is seeing the same trend? 
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: axel2001 on April 13, 2021, 03:56
So the March earnings were posted a few days ago. My best month there, almost triple from my last years March earnings and also best earner for March of all agencies.

My earnings doubled too, but my uploads doubled too.

I hope with new investments and valuation they will grow even more. I think they have potential.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Dumc on April 13, 2021, 04:05
I think you are correct. I've made 88,5$ in February and 145,02$ in March, so I should get 163,4$ this month after taxex. In reality I got 158,34$.

In january I've earned  92,98$ so 7,32$ short of my double March earning, which would be 100,3$. Despite 7,32$ short I've got paid for January 70,31$ (100,3$ - 30% taxes)

Now if I calculate my February and March earning which is 233,52$ (before taxes) minus those 7,32$ I was short for double earnings in January, the sum would be 226,2$. After taking out 30% taxes, the exact sum would be 158,34$ which is exactly the amount, I was paid this month.

So basically, those 7,32$ that they added to my balance in January, the took it away this month.
Title: Re: Canva, what's the plan now?
Post by: Microstockphoto on April 20, 2021, 07:58
i have to apologise, i do have sub sales, i didnt realise they were calculated after the month, i do get between $20-$60 sub sales per month