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« Reply #575 on: April 29, 2015, 10:17 »
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This is not just a small detail.
I completely agree. Just waiting for Lee to clarify and explain why they're doing this when they are by all accounts, already successful and gaining every day. Why is this necessary?


« Reply #576 on: April 29, 2015, 14:12 »
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Why not 35% commission on subscriptions instead of 35 cents? What is the reason contributors should not also get 35% on subscriptions?

Semmick Photo

« Reply #577 on: April 29, 2015, 15:04 »
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Semmick Photo

« Reply #578 on: April 29, 2015, 15:15 »
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« Reply #579 on: April 29, 2015, 15:21 »
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Why not 35% commission on subscriptions instead of 35 cents? What is the reason contributors should not also get 35% on subscriptions?

35% commission on a subscription sale might be less than 35 cents.

« Reply #580 on: April 29, 2015, 17:17 »
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I was able to configure and connect using FTP...
when I connect it says "unsecured ftp connection...

I dont really know much about FTP ...but I was wondering if there is a way to make the FTP connection secure?  Im using cyberduck it has options for SFTP and FTP SSL, but it didn't seem to work for me.

« Reply #581 on: April 30, 2015, 00:12 »
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Got the email about the new licenses and all.  Question about this part :
"We're also including subscription packages.  The cheaper ones will provide the same OTU licenses we currently provide, though the bigger ones will provide the new RF license.  Royalties for both types of subscriptions are the same 35 cents we're currently paying. "

Why isn't the new RF license paying higher than the OTU?  I don't think people want yet another SS paying pennies for full rights.

We're not pretending that this is not giving away more rights for the same royalty.  Obviously that's what it is.  We need a subscription product and we elected to increase the rights rather than decrease the royalty.  It's very much in line with what other agencies - where we all contribute - provide. 

We don't expect subscriptions to become our primary product like they are at SS and many others.  Our primary product is still a One Time Use license at 35 cents royalty - WAY less rights than any other agency is providing.  Half the subscriptions are for OTU licenses too. 

I have a similar concern to the one Sean mentioned - RF subscription and micro-RM (your OTU) for the same 35 cents a use.

I'm sure there'll be a "make it up in volume" argument, but that doesn't wash because (a) no one but SS really has the volume and (b) SS pays me 38 cents per RF subscription and I'm not all that thrilled to see someone undercutting that. I know there are other sites that pay 35 cents per subscription (Dreamstime for example) and I'm not happy about that either. So far I haven't been unhappy enough to leave the site, but as their credit sales slim down and subscriptions increase, it makes the site a whole lot less attractive.

I started uploading to Canva because it seemed it was something other than one of the many startups copying one of the existing agencies and thinking they could gain a foothold. I was OK with the 35 cents a sale because of the RM nature of it - one time use and the buyer doesn't get my image (monitoring compliance with mass market rights managed is a non starter).

I hope Canva realizes that introducing subscriptions for RF licenses really changes the game as far as Canva and contributors are concerned. This is not just a small detail.

Jo-Ann, you still seem to think we're making rash or uninformed decisions.  All of the contributors I briefed on this change were totally fine with it.  They realise the new RF subscription is no worse than most of the other places they distribute, and our OTU license - still our primary product and half of our subscription packages - is better royalty per rights than anyone else in the market.  They were also grateful that our subscriptions didn't provide lower royalties as they've become accustomed to. 

They're also happy with our royalty level and growth, and the fact we have the easiest submission in the industry.  And that we're not just, as you say, replicating the business model of everyone else in the industry. 

If you don't feel that way, we will respect that.  Different things have different importance to different people.  We have no lock-in policy.  And I've given you months notice of this change.  We don't want you to leave, but nobody is forcing you to stay.  That may sound a little harsh, but you don't seem to have any confidence in our management abilities despite all that we've built.  We value all our contributors, but we're most keen to work with those who value what we've done and where we're going - thankfully the vast majority. 

This is not just a small detail.
I completely agree. Just waiting for Lee to clarify and explain why they're doing this when they are by all accounts, already successful and gaining every day. Why is this necessary?

Why is this necessary?  Because we're not content to coast with what we have so far.  If that's what you were hoping for, expect to be continually disappointed for a very long time.  ;) 

There's a huge vision for Canva and only a tiny portion of it currently exists. 

Why not 35% commission on subscriptions instead of 35 cents? What is the reason contributors should not also get 35% on subscriptions?

Because the royalty would be lower.  Most microstock subscriptions work out at close to break-even if the subscriber downloads their full allocation.  By setting a per-download royalty, the contributor gets a consistent royalty (no risk) and the agency profits only from the un-used portion of download allocations. 

Some agencies try to split the profits based on the quantity of downloads.  Veer does this.  It doesn't always work out well for the contributor. 

I was able to configure and connect using FTP...
when I connect it says "unsecured ftp connection...

I dont really know much about FTP ...but I was wondering if there is a way to make the FTP connection secure?  Im using cyberduck it has options for SFTP and FTP SSL, but it didn't seem to work for me.


Don't use Cyberduck.  It's the ONLY application that doesn't play well with our FTP system.  There's a lot of free alternatives available, and most of the contributors I've already warned off Cyberduck have told me afterwards that they were glad they'd switched to a better FTP application.  Just Google:  free FTP mac   

« Reply #582 on: April 30, 2015, 01:16 »
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...Jo-Ann, you still seem to think we're making rash or uninformed decisions.  All of the contributors I briefed on this change were totally fine with it...

I didn't say anything about rash or uninformed in this post or any other, so I 'm not sure what your message is about i "still seem to think".

I posted my reaction to the e-mail I received. My reaction based on my experiences.


« Reply #583 on: April 30, 2015, 01:29 »
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...Jo-Ann, you still seem to think we're making rash or uninformed decisions.  All of the contributors I briefed on this change were totally fine with it...

I didn't say anything about rash or uninformed in this post or any other, so I 'm not sure what your message is about i "still seem to think".

I posted my reaction to the e-mail I received. My reaction based on my experiences.

What's actually going on - in my case anyway - is that I feel Canva, as a new agency, is in a phase of its development where contributor input can make a difference.

Later on, it won't matter at all/as much what contributors say. I think your business model has a lot of potential and to the extent I can, I'd like to influence the contributor end of things by giving input while that's still possible.

Once you're big and successful, we can happily ignore each other :)

I hope Canva realizes that introducing subscriptions for RF licenses really changes the game as far as Canva and contributors are concerned. This is not just a small detail.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #584 on: April 30, 2015, 02:40 »
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Personally I am a little disappointed with the return for subs, but then a again I continue to upload to IStock who dumps my work onto Thinkstock and pays me considerably less, so I can see the reasoning. It is worth noting that a lot of people have seen a drop in the volume of sales even at SS, so compensation at this RPD may not be sustainable for the contributor for too much longer. It would be great to see Canva doing something different, like offering a decent percentage of subs income rather than a flat cent fee as mentioned.

Lee, you've been great on the forum at keeping us all in the loop and responding to concerns. Please don't let this degenerate into an argument when a contributor raises their concerns. Jo Ann has been a long standing champion of contributor rights and is always fair and balanced in her comments. I can't think of anyone else who's done as much reporting and investigating on things that impact the industry, including bloggers that actually make a return for all their hard work. I don't think she deserves to be spoken to in quite such a dismissive way.

« Reply #585 on: April 30, 2015, 03:33 »
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Personally I am a little disappointed with the return for subs, but then a again I continue to upload to IStock who dumps my work onto Thinkstock and pays me considerably less, so I can see the reasoning. It is worth noting that a lot of people have seen a drop in the volume of sales even at SS, so compensation at this RPD may not be sustainable for the contributor for too much longer. It would be great to see Canva doing something different, like offering a decent percentage of subs income rather than a flat cent fee as mentioned.

Lee, you've been great on the forum at keeping us all in the loop and responding to concerns. Please don't let this degenerate into an argument when a contributor raises their concerns. Jo Ann has been a long standing champion of contributor rights and is always fair and balanced in her comments. I can't think of anyone else who's done as much reporting and investigating on things that impact the industry, including bloggers that actually make a return for all their hard work. I don't think she deserves to be spoken to in quite such a dismissive way.

I'm very aware of Jo Ann's history and role in this forum.  I'm simply trying to help her and some others see that just because Canva is a new business doesn't mean we're naive and uninformed like many other startups in this space. 

We put together a collection of over 1 million images before we even launched.  We've gained over two million users in under two years.  We're paying out 100 contributors per month in under two years.  I'm not sure what some people need to see to be convinced that we know what we're doing.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #586 on: April 30, 2015, 05:09 »
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I don't think she said you didn't know what you were doing. She was expressing concern from  her perspective as a contributor.

What you know works for you as an agency, and what Jo Ann knows works for her as a contributor can be two different things without her thinking you are naive or ill informed.

I think the concern is that you know exactly what you are doing and that what you offer is in line with what the other agencies are offering; which is, as far as subs go, increasingly a fleecing for us (again, talking about the general state of the industry not Canva specifically).

« Reply #587 on: April 30, 2015, 05:30 »
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I would just like to voice my support for Jo Ann, I follow the forums but don't often post because contributors like her and Sean are usually there looking out for contributors interests and asking any questions that need asked.

I am loving Canva so far, but please don't dismiss her concerns, as many other people are probably feeling the same way.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #588 on: April 30, 2015, 10:31 »
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I'd love to see the contributors side get an upgrade soon

« Reply #589 on: May 16, 2015, 11:06 »
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Hi Lee! can you tell us what is the status of vector illustration uploading on canva??? ???

« Reply #590 on: May 16, 2015, 11:38 »
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Hi Lee! can you tell us what is the status of vector illustration uploading on canva??? ???

Yeah and while we are at it, then also the status on ''Pending cut-out'' . I know that you've got like tons of images to cut-out but it would be nice to know  ;)

« Reply #591 on: May 16, 2015, 12:35 »
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And while we are getting an update, what is with those elusive "Processing" files . . . .

memakephoto

« Reply #592 on: May 16, 2015, 16:25 »
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If you don't feel that way, we will respect that.  Different things have different importance to different people.  We have no lock-in policy.  And I've given you months notice of this change.  We don't want you to leave, but nobody is forcing you to stay.  That may sound a little harsh, but you don't seem to have any confidence in our management abilities despite all that we've built.  We value all our contributors, but we're most keen to work with those who value what we've done and where we're going - thankfully the vast majority. 

That's crowd sourcing for you. If you don't like it, get lost, there's a dozen more to take your place. I would love to find an agency with a win/win attitude. It is possible to make money while the contributor also makes a fair rate. But it's never enough and you have to offer dirt cheap content to buyers because god knows artwork, photos and design have almost no value these days.

In one post Lee has left a bad taste in my mouth.

« Reply #593 on: May 18, 2015, 05:18 »
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Who,s glad they werent accepted now?....

« Reply #594 on: May 18, 2015, 08:29 »
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We need a subscription product and we elected to increase the rights rather than decrease the royalty.  It's very much in line with what other agencies - where we all contribute - provide. 

We don't expect subscriptions to become our primary product like they are at SS and many others.
Bla bla bla bla...

It seems like copy/paste of so many other agencies' speech! 
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 18:58 by Digital66 »

« Reply #595 on: May 19, 2015, 04:35 »
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Is anyone experiencing a drop in sales on Canva this month ?

I think a lot new photographers and illustrators got onboard recently which results in larger competition.

« Reply #596 on: May 19, 2015, 04:47 »
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Is anyone experiencing a drop in sales on Canva this month ?

I think a lot new photographers and illustrators got onboard recently which results in larger competition.
I had BME at Canva last month, and it seems like I will get a new BME this month.

« Reply #597 on: May 19, 2015, 05:30 »
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For me last month was a BME there and this month so far is about the same - no complaints

Semmick Photo

« Reply #598 on: May 19, 2015, 10:08 »
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Its hard for me to get BMEs as they keep deleting images from my portfolio. It really doesn't sit right with me. They should for the sake of helping them start up grandfather a portfolio. Instead it feeks like thanks for the help but we no longer need you. Anyways, I'll get back under my rock.

« Reply #599 on: May 19, 2015, 12:36 »
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Its hard for me to get BMEs as they keep deleting images from my portfolio. It really doesn't sit right with me. They should for the sake of helping them start up grandfather a portfolio. Instead it feeks like thanks for the help but we no longer need you. Anyways, I'll get back under my rock.

What kind of images are they deleting?  That hasn't happened to me yet and it would be nice to know what they don't want to save time when submitting.


 

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