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« on: October 06, 2014, 02:55 »
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Hi!

I have my NEC PA231W and I think these are my last days with the likes of "super pro" monitors, it started blinking and flickering irregularly especially in the bottom left corner. What's more I have never managed to calibrate it properly. I guess it' targeted more to preparing prints etc.

Now I am looking for an affordable monitor for around $1000. It should be factory calibrated, ready to use and display photos as they are commonly seen on devices.  I guess Adobe RGB is not needed since agencies only read sRGB (is that right?)

What would you recommend ?

Thanks,


« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2014, 03:20 »
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With EISO you can not go much wrong...

Dook

« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2014, 03:37 »
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Dell U2414H is factory calibrated and flicker free (if it is of any importance to you). It's not expensive, good colors, newer generation. The only problem is it's DP and DP mini port only. If your computer doesn't support it, don't buy it.
 Like Samards said Eizo (Color Edge series) is top level, but it's expensive.
 Good review of Dell here
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm

« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2014, 03:40 »
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Another tick for Eizo ColorEdge.

« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2014, 03:48 »
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Oh I forgot to mention I need 27".

Dell U2314H looks a bit cheap, I'm not sure about the quality...

Eizo ColorEdge is expensive and as I said seems to be "too professional" for internet display (like stock photography).  It needs Adobe RGB color space to take full advantage of it. Stock agencies want sRGB I guess.

« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014, 04:05 »
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What about FlexScan EV2736W ?

It is significantly cheaper than monitors from ColorEdge line, but still it is Eizo.


Dook

« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014, 04:11 »
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I also have Nec MultiSync P271. It's number two in quality, I believe (after Eizo). It's almost within your budget(around 1200$, I believe).
Buying anything but ColorEdge from Eizo, is not good decision, in my opinion. It's still expensive, but no better than any other IPS panel monitor.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2014, 04:25 »
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Eizo, of course.
Some Dell Ultrasharp are not so bad too.

Before to use the Eizo ColorEdge CG243W I have used a Dell U2410 with a lot of satisfaction.
I still use the Dell in vertical position, it is very useful as second monitor

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2013/04/24/best-monitor-for-photo-editing-4-top-models-tested-and-rated/
« Last Edit: October 06, 2014, 04:30 by Beppe Grillo »

« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2014, 04:30 »
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Let me ask again, do I need a monitor the huge value of which is displaying 99% of AdobeRGB while stock agencies still convert images to sRGB ?


Dook

« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2014, 04:33 »
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Let me ask again, do I need a monitor the huge value of which is displaying 99% of AdobeRGB while stock agencies still convert images to sRGB ?
Obviously you don't.

« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 04:34 »
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What about Dell UltraSharp U3014 2560x1600 LED IPS?

 It is 30" and costs about $1150.


ShadySue

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2014, 07:27 »
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Stock agencies want sRGB I guess.
Don't guess.
Check the requirements for each and every agency you intend to submit to.
I submit AdobeRGB to iS and Alamy.

Can't help with your monitor info request as I have a 19" monitor, an upsize from the 17" one I was using until cFeb. Both were LGs and that's where I'd look first in future.

« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 11:58 »
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I'm going to wait for the second generation of 4K (Ultra HD) monitors.
A 32-inch Dell UP3214Q with an IPS panel and Ultra HD resolution costs now about 1600 but it has only HDMI 1.4 which supports only 30 Hz at 3840x2160. It does have Display Port which supports 60 Hz but I'm going to wait for the next generation with HDMI 2.0.

It will require that I buy a new graphic card too, Nvidia Geforce 970 looks very good indeed.
I can't wait to be able to use the extra resolution on the screen, especially for video editing.

cuppacoffee

« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 12:26 »
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Tror

« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2014, 13:22 »
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I`ll go too for a nice 4k screen :-) I`m just waiting a bit more until the tech matures a bit more and the prices come down...

« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2014, 13:48 »
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I would be more worried about what to shot and how to shoot, more worried about the ideas ;)

Sorry for the off topic

« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2014, 15:00 »
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I haven't tested these for color calibration, but have used them:

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UM95-P-ultrawide-monitor

The extra-wide format is awesome for multi-tasking (having Photoshop, web pages, server directories, etc..., all side-by-side on one screen).  If you're doing a lot of heavy workflow lifting...moving files back and forth, multitasking with multiple applications and windows, etc..., it's an interesting choice.

The only issue is that they can be hard to find, but they do come up on Amazon at the normal retail price from time to time.

Best,

Scott 


« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2014, 15:15 »
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I haven't tested these for color calibration, but have used them:

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UM95-P-ultrawide-monitor

The extra-wide format is awesome for multi-tasking (having Photoshop, web pages, server directories, etc..., all side-by-side on one screen).  If you're doing a lot of heavy workflow lifting...moving files back and forth, multitasking with multiple applications and windows, etc..., it's an interesting choice.

The only issue is that they can be hard to find, but they do come up on Amazon at the normal retail price from time to time.

Best,

Scott


and while we got you here , on monitors and calibration. are all ss reviewers required to have
proper monitors?  thus, to ensure when the rejection WB off , at least we all know it is justified ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2014, 02:35 »
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once you've a 500$ laptop with non-IPS screen and sRGB ICC profile installed you can get a decent result about colors but not about contrast.

contrast is also an issue on IPS monitors from what i've seen so far.

for anything else the real problem is the printing but this because of the conversion in CMYK and the paper.

when i go in my print shop next door the colors are good even on the cheapest paper (FUJI printer), but the contrast is never the same i see on screen, it's more punchy, let's say a 5-10% more, it's visible and in some cases very visible maybe 20-25% more.

said that, if i display my pics on any cr-ap monitor in web cafe or with friends it usually comes out good.

spending big money on a calibrated monitor ... i don't think it's overestimated and more of a marketing thing.

i worked on printing gear in the past and dealt with color calibration when DTP was still a joke, let me tell you there are only a few rare cases where you really need calibration, to make stock images even an Acer laptop for 400$ can do, just get used to non-IPS screen and keep at one meter distance ...

i don't wanna sound like a cheap charlie but neither i'm impressed by the high end gear .. what you see on YOUR screen will never be the same you see in normal situations with cheap screeens.

using cheap screens has this benefit, if it looks like sh-it you can bet it will look like sh-it anywhere else :)






Beppe Grillo

« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2014, 03:07 »
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I regularly calibrate my monitors (verify at least twice a month) because I feel more safe in this way.

But color calibration is a kind of lure, very good to sell you special monitors and expensive calibration systems

An accurate color calibration is almost useless
You calibrate your monitor wearing a black shirt, and the day after you use your monitor wearing a red shirt, and everything change.
You begin to work at 9.00 with the sun entering through your blue curtains and everything change. You end your work day at 21.00, it is night and in the room where you work some tungsten lamp (2700 K) are switched on, and everything change
You combine any of the different situations of ambient light or reflection and everything change

Calibration is almost useless
Two monitors of the same brand and model, calibrated with the same calibration system (hardware + software) will show different results
Each monitor gives a different result.
I bet that 90% of microstock buyer use bad monitors so?

The mans brain is the best calibration system.
The brain automatically define/decide what is (should be) white on you monitor and make a full correct color correction, in real time, automatically. (If you want you can always  open a new empty/white document in Photoshop and after a moment of adaptation your brain will consider it as the white reference).

In a monitor it is very more important a correct regulation of luminosity and contrast.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2014, 03:12 by Beppe Grillo »

« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2014, 14:36 »
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i don't wanna sound like a cheap charlie but neither i'm impressed by the high end gear .. what you see on YOUR screen will never be the same you see in normal situations with cheap screeens.

using cheap screens has this benefit, if it looks like sh-it you can bet it will look like sh-it anywhere else :)

+10 hobo
i have 3 monitors and really, the best monitor makes my image look good all the time. but the only important thing to me is when i print . i use only my desktop , an ancient workstation for most computer nerds, when i print for my clients.
as you said, if it looks like crap on my old desktop, it will in fact print like crap.

i also use this old desktop to finalise my stock photos. i am only satisfied when it looks good on this dinosaur with the cheapest monitor of the three.

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2014, 22:37 »
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+10 hobo
i have 3 monitors and really, the best monitor makes my image look good all the time. but the only important thing to me is when i print . i use only my desktop , an ancient workstation for most computer nerds, when i print for my clients.
as you said, if it looks like crap on my old desktop, it will in fact print like crap.

i also use this old desktop to finalise my stock photos. i am only satisfied when it looks good on this dinosaur with the cheapest monitor of the three.

yes, nowadays they're making such a big fuss about calibration, mostly for PR and marketing reasons.

as for the display of reference, what's the gold standard ? there's no accepted gold standard and never will.

if i look around i see people using tablets and smartphones and laptops.
well, that's maybe the only reference at the moment.

if your pics look good on an iPad and on a cheap-as-s android smartphone you can bet they will also print OK.

Contrast is the crucial factor that differentiate a screen from the other but colors are more or less acceptable nowadays.

there's no more such a big difference between monitors as in '90s .. now even the cheapest screen will have decent colors at least.

calibration will be needed only if you love over saturated colors, in that case you need to be careful as most of the consumer screens are already high on saturation but as i said before i found it easier to do this on a cheap screen because they're already looking like sh-it compared to pro monitors.

pushing the Reds too much for instance, don't do it.
but look at the histogram and you can't go wrong, you can edit a photo using the histogram even on a b/w monitor ...

this for generic images.
of course if you have special needs that's another story.

as for prints, it's getting better and better compared to the past !
before you had to print in a Lab, now the cheapest prints are a decent tradeoff as long as they dont do any color correction in pre-print.

moreover, prints will be eventually framed behind a glass, that's another factor, what glass you'll be using ? real glass, plastic, whatever.

or they'll be coated with anti-UV film, even worse as it will affect the white balance, turning it a bit yellowish.

it's a never ending battle, what you see in never what you get but again things are a lot better than in the past and we can't complain.















« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 14:10 »
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Dont waste too much money in an Eizo or Quato (I did) and calibrators or colorimeters unless you need to do your own prints.

« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 14:14 »
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pushing the Reds too much for instance, don't do it.
but look at the histogram and you can't go wrong, you can edit a photo using the histogram even on a b/w monitor ...

this for generic images.
of course if you have special needs that's another story.

moreover, prints will be eventually framed behind a glass, that's another factor, what glass you'll be using ? real glass, plastic, whatever.

+10 again
second point first (glass). i don't even bother framing my prints. i find it looks better without the glass.  we used to frame all prints to prevent them from fading.
today, prints are so cheap , if it fades, i print another one.
in fact, i still have the old resin-coated prints of the 80s which have not faded.
so i am certain i will grow old or die before i need to print a new print which i printed last week or last year  :D

first point (pushing reds)
you said it. i went crazy 4 months ago. trying to print an abstract of a strawberry shortcake
which i splatter the strawberry all over to make an abstract
overlayered with a model wearing a lighter red dress and white .
impossible to print to my satisfaction.
on the monitor it looks great. all the different variations look awesome.
but none of the print actually succeeded looking good at all.

sorry to get this off-topic. but maybe not, as it is related to the needs of understanding what monitors can do and cannot. much in the same way we had to understand the difference between how a kodachrome slide of subtle shades would never  print to anyone's critical satisfaction, even using custom printer and cibachrome (the master print media at that time).

nice chatting with you on this. thumbs up ! hobostocker.

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 23:01 »
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if it fades, i print another one.

they WILL fade.

because they're not UV resistant colors.

if you need UV then they'll cover the photo with a UV film, or alternatively you will print using injjet UV-resistant colors, but good luck keeping the original colors as these colors are a bit different and need their own ICC profiles, you need somebody expert working in a Lab, you can't expect top results from the print shop next door.

applying a UV film will add a yellowish layer, no big deal but it's visible and it will be more visible over time depending on which film they use, if the cheapest or top quality.

this is not an issue for black and white images, but wait a second ... often they print blacks using some green too, this is the norm for 6-colors printers.



 

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