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« on: August 06, 2009, 19:08 »
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My PC lately has been showing a problem at start up.  The HD and DVD lights appear for about 3s then go, no image signal is received by the monitor, no BIOS sounds/beeps are heard.  It started happening occasionally, now it's daily and today my PC wouldn't start at all after many many attempts. 

I started using a notebook, but let the computer on - if we can say it was on.  Several minutes later (15-30, I can't say for sure), it finally really booted.

The PC is still under warranty, so I can not open it to see if there is any loose cable.  I will try to take it to the store, but this may be only on Monday.  I'll keep it on until then. 

Any idea of what might be the cause?



« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 19:31 »
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Sounds like an OS or HD issue (obviously!). What OS are you running?

« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 19:41 »
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Hard to say for sure, but what you are describing sounds like what mine did when the motherboard went.   I doubt it is just a cable or anything. 

A PITA for sure, but at least you are still under warranty.

« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 20:08 »
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The simplest solution is to get your WIndows cd and use the recovery option.
I had that happen to me only a while back. I had done a lot of work but did not have the time to back up. Woke up next morning to find it dead as a door nail .

I freaked out, as I did not have a Windows Recovery CD when I bought the computer. But I went to the neighbourhood computer whiz, borrowed his CD and in more or less an hour got the computer working like before.
Except better than before and it also checked my system file for any corruption and replace them.

I could have done a clean Reinstall but that would mean I lose everything.

So I would suggest you just boot from your Windows CD  and try Repair or Recovery first. This way you won't lose whatever you had before the trouble occured.

You will require your Key Number of course. As in the end of this operation it will ask for your key number before you can re-boot and use the computer.


« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 20:18 »
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It doesn't even go through boot up, BIOS testing, anything, so I don't think WinXP can be blamed. 

MoBo, I don't like that.   :'(   I have 3-year warranty on it, but still....

« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 20:30 »
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It doesn't even go through boot up, BIOS testing, anything, so I don't think WinXP can be blamed. 

MoBo, I don't like that.   :'(   I have 3-year warranty on it, but still....

opa ! isso ! I see where you're at.
let me get to understand the problem. you press the power on button, the light blinks but it does not give you any juice to boot the computer?

If this is correct. Can I ask if you have been getting lots of rain in Brazil lately?
If so, you got the PC board problem with condensation.

I had my laptop froze on me last winter. I almost threw it out as it did not boot up like you said.
Only light a few blinks. I left the bloody thing on my window sill as I thought it 's going to be an expensive paperweight for me .

Then miraculously, because it was baking in the sunlight all day for many days, the condensation dried off.    I got it to work just on that day I was going to throw it away. Did my spring cleaning and thought one last try. It booted up.

I found out it was condensation due to it I was working for 3-4 days in a straight and the computer was warm. Then we had a blackout for 3 days. The sudden freeze and the hot machine caused condensation to the Motherboard.

You can try using a hair dryer and hopefully that works too.
It sounds like the same case .





« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 20:35 »
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One further warning.
Once you get it to reboot. Quickly make a backup of your files.

It will die on you every once in a while. And you have to do the same warming up all over again. But it will be alive once the condensation problem goes away.

Will it work like new? I don't think so. Not unless you ensure the computer is in a warm dry place . I now leave the laptop on top of my desktop, hoping the warm air of the monitor will keep it dry. So far, it seems to work. But every now and then when we get a week of rain and humidity, it dies on me again.
But I leave it on my window to get the sun on it, and a couple of days later it becomes alive again.
lol.

sounds crazy, but it works.
Maybe you have to bring this laptop to another part of Brazil where it does not rain too much. The Sertao , talves??? heh!heh!

Bom Sorte !

« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 20:43 »
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^^^ That sounds quite plausible to me.

You surprise me. I thought you were just a childish dickhead but it seems you can actually talk some sense if you stop shouting, end the multiple user-name changes and the non-stop anal references.

You could be in danger of being taken seriously (and maybe even gain a little credibility) if you're not careful.

« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 20:50 »
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^^^ That sounds quite plausible to me.

You surprise me. I thought you were just a childish dickhead but it seems you can actually talk some sense if you stop shouting, end the multiple user-name changes and the non-stop anal references.

You could be in danger of being taken seriously (and maybe even gain a little credibility) if you're not careful.

rofl, the feeling is mutual  :D

some of the greatest minds in mankind are childish dickheads, and total pr*ck ! actually.
that makes two of us, included.  :D

« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 00:15 »
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Hi,

Try to remove every usb devices plugged to the computer before reboot (usb storage, mouse, tablet PC, keyboard...).
Somes usb devices may cause some issue for the boot.

Try to desactivate Wifi in computer bios (f8 or suppr keys when computer boot).

I don't think about a motherboard issue...

Good luck ...

« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 05:34 »
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Well, this has been a wetter than usual winter (winters are usually our driest months), but if this is the reason, then this particular PC is very sensitive.  I've had PCs for 15 years and this is news to me. 

It could be however rust - I ive close to the beach and the level of rust always surprise PC technicians.  It used to be a problem in the videocard (I used to change it once a year) and once I lost the processor cooler maybe due to it (it was another PC).

JerryL5

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2009, 08:21 »
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Interesting that it can boot normally after a time. Almost sounds
as if it's doing some diagnostic before booting, except you would
think the thing would beep or display a message..

« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2009, 09:00 »
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Are you sure it isn't your monitor that is having issues?

You might want to try and plug your monitor into your laptop to make sure it is working properly.

« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2009, 10:26 »
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Are you sure it isn't your monitor that is having issues?

It doesn't seem so, as the PC would otherwise make sounds from boot, HD spinning as Windows is loaded, Windows starting.  When I had video card problems in the past, on occasions it was like this - no signal to the monitor (yellow LED) but you would hear as everything was normal.  I was even be able to turn off the PC with keystrokes. 

« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2009, 10:57 »
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Well, this has been a wetter than usual winter (winters are usually our driest months), but if this is the reason, then this particular PC is very sensitive.  I've had PCs for 15 years and this is news to me. 

It could be however rust - I ive close to the beach and the level of rust always surprise PC technicians.  It used to be a problem in the videocard (I used to change it once a year) and once I lost the processor cooler maybe due to it (it was another PC).


yes, certain computers, such as my laptop, and maybe this one of yours , are more sensitive to temperature changes and extremes. in fact, even cameras can get this condensation problem as well.

rust ? possible. when i was living in Vancouver where the air was notoriously salty, we had some internal rust buildup problems with equipment stored improperly.

even in Latin Am., we had yet the most unsuspected problem with computers and sensitive equipment. guess what it is?  ants.
rofl, i couldn't believe it until we open up our motherboards to see nest inside the processors,etc..

they are many problem that can occur, but to my experience, the first suspect is always condensation.
it will take a long time to cure it though. as i said, my laptop died on me a winter ago, and it was "resurrected" one year after the following spring.

of course, i probably could have tried air drying it, had i know it was due to condensation.
and finally, yes, some computers are hardier than others. that same time this happened i had two cheap old desktops , and neither of them had the condensation problems. they survived the temperature changes and i am still running them without any problem. but the laptop? well,
that's another story.

try the hairblower... you have nothing to lose.
i suspect it is condensation, as Brazil is wet. i lived there too a decade ago.

« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2009, 11:44 »
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try the hairblower... you have nothing to lose.

I do.  I have a 3-year warranty on mobo and processor.

« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2009, 11:55 »
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try the hairblower... you have nothing to lose.

I do.  I have a 3-year warranty on mobo and processor.

if you have a warranty, i suggest you don't open anything as it will void your warranty.
send it back and let the workshop worry about it.
meanwhile, if you know some production house or people who are in the packing business, you can try to get a pile of drying agents from them. silica gel, and pack your computer in this box full of silica gel. this is a drying agent and it will quicken drying out the condensation.
it will take time, as condensation is internalized and does not dry out so rapidly.
it has built up for a while, so better to send it back while it still under warranty.





« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2009, 14:26 »
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I guess you didn't read my original post carefully.   ;)

The PC is still under warranty, so I can not open it to see if there is any loose cable.  I will try to take it to the store, but this may be only on Monday.  I'll keep it on until then. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2009, 15:02 »
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You will have to take it in.  If you are getting some power then high changes its the motherboard.  That is what happened to my computer last month.  You would hear the fan turn on and then nothing.  If you click the button and nothing happens it could still be the motherboard or more likely the power pack.  Either of those will need to be replaced by the store.  Good thing is its does not sound like you hard drive, if it was that then you would get to the windows stage before the crash.

« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2009, 16:09 »
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Moonb, As I said before, I am going to take it to the store, I only wanted to have an idea of how bad the problem may be.  A mobo replacement may take a few days.  A power supply a few hours.

JerryL5

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2009, 19:27 »
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Moonb, As I said before, I am going to take it to the store, I only wanted to have an idea of how bad the problem may be.  A mobo replacement may take a few days.  A power supply a few hours.

Madelaide, it could be anything, including the cpu. Sorry we can't be more help
but please let us know what they find. Good luck.


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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2009, 07:52 »
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Now that you're taking it in let us know what it is.

Could be as simple as a loose cable but I'd guess something like failing memory or power supply.

« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 16:08 »
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Final report: it was my old SCSI adapter for my even older HP Photosmart film scanner.  It was causing some conflict.  Power supply, processor and memory were checked.

I do have a USB Minolta Scan Dual IV, but I loved my HP, apart from its lower resolution.  I may buy a SCSI adapter in the future, who knows.

« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2009, 16:15 »
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Makes sense as SCSI adapters are scanned early in the BIOS boot process. However, I would have still expected at least some printout form the BIOS before reaching SCSI adapter. It must have been some electrical issue. In any case, it's good that your computer is OK.

JerryL5

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 19:10 »
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Thank for the update, Madelaide. I have one of those HP film scanners, but no SCSI adapter..



 

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