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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2009, 17:04 »
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I got 3 hard drives. Let's say 300, 500 and 750 GB. I always save to 3 locations. When smallest runs out of space I will buy 1TB and keep copying to 3 locations. I use rsync so I always to 3 exact copies of folder with photos.

Tried to use Amazon S3 but it's too slow so I never finished uploading before I gave up. Ultimately cloud of computers should be safes what to backup but I wish I could send them a hard drive so they would upload data locally.


« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2009, 18:16 »
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Tried to use Amazon S3 but it's too slow so I never finished uploading before I gave up.


Saving large amounts of data to an online backup service would definitely require a very high speed Internet connection.  I have over 50 GB of images and a low-speed DSL connection (128 kbps upstream).  I calculated that it would take about 50 days to backup that amount of data over my current connection.  If I got high speed DSL (512 kbps upstream), I could cut that time down to only about 12 days!  :D

Ultimately cloud of computers should be safes what to backup but I wish I could send them a hard drive so they would upload data locally.


SOSOnline.com allows a user to send in a DVD or a hard disk (provided by them) to seed your online data.

I don't use them and have only tried out their free trial for a few days, but I didn't really like their feature set.

See here for more info:

http://www.sosonlinebackup.com/physical-media-upload.htm
« Last Edit: January 05, 2009, 18:29 by GeoPappas »

« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2009, 18:29 »
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Duplicate post.  Sorry.

« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 18:59 »
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These guys are way too expensive. Hard drives are quite cheap now so it's still most cost effective option.

« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2009, 19:33 »
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That canon it's just a way of protecting authors from piracy. While it's awkard, because it doesn't tell about storage media used to pirate copies from the ones used to store own content, it is the only effective way of giving back to the authors and the industry a tiny perercentage of what they lose everyday through PSP nets.

Yeah right, so I demand a tax on the internet of which a percentage is given to me since my pictures are probably stolen by the internet. If the tax on empty media is intended to compensate the musicians for their losses through Torrents (P2P is outdated), they steal in fact from me since I used DVDs for backing up my own data.

Not that it really matters since I live part-time in this tiny country bordering to Germany and France (the Netherlands have the same tax) which don't apply the tax. Sales of empty media went down drastically here. As to piracy, well, stolen pictures, software, music would probably never been bought by the pirates anyways. And as to my other part-time place of living in SE Asia, well, I think I never saw a legal version of anything. And that's an understatement.  ::)

Tuilay

« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2009, 09:27 »
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Flemish, right on!
and more so, pirates don't store their backup on disks, they use the web storage.
and when they do pirate to disks, they pass the charges to the buyers anyway.

« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2009, 10:08 »
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Yeah, i am a bit nervous writing my stuff to CD's and DVD's.  I have backups on that media but also have another copy on my computer, and a third copy on another hard drive off site.  I think backing up on more than one media type is a good idea.

I also re-back-up everything every few years, on new drives so I know the media is for sure still good.  Drives are getting cheaper and cheaper so it is really inexpensive to back things up.

hali

« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2009, 11:01 »
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Yeah, i am a bit nervous writing my stuff to CD's and DVD's.  I have backups on that media but also have another copy on my computer, and a third copy on another hard drive off site.  I think backing up on more than one media type is a good idea.

I also re-back-up everything every few years, on new drives so I know the media is for sure still good.  Drives are getting cheaper and cheaper so it is really inexpensive to back things up.

I do the same thing too, leaf .
But sometimes I think we are overdoing it. I already have so many backup dvds and cds,
I don't even know what's on each one. As my friend once remarked about my collection of music
cds, plus my backup of images,etc.., "you're obsessive, how will you even find the time to
look at them again?"
Looking back, I still have my 4x5 , 2 1/4, and 35 mm slides and negatives, along with my
archival prints. But I don't think I've even looked at them for over 15 years.  ::)

« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2009, 11:11 »
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Last summer, I took a workshop at the Santa Fe Photography Workshops. My teacher recommended an external harddrive plus archival CDs or DVDs for backup. They come in gold and silver. I haven't used the silver, but the gold are supposed to last 300 years. Also, don't mark discs with sharpie markers. In time, they will make the discs unreadable. They now make special markers for writing on the discs. You can find both the discs and the markers at most good photography stores. I did an internet search to find the best price. A word of warning, they do cost a lot more, but it's worth it for safe storage. Another teacher of mine recommended having one backup stored in a different location. Somewhere away from your other two backups. Hope this helps.

Pat

« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2009, 11:24 »
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Not that it really matters since I live part-time in this tiny country bordering to Germany and France (the Netherlands have the same tax) which don't apply the tax. Sales of empty media went down drastically here.

Sio, I don't understand why are you so angry. Buy the media in the country without taxes, and problem solved without need of worrying about ethics.

hali

« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2009, 11:27 »
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Last summer, I took a workshop at the Santa Fe Photography Workshops. My teacher recommended an external harddrive plus archival CDs or DVDs for backup. They come in gold and silver. I haven't used the silver, but the gold are supposed to last 300 years. Also, don't mark discs with sharpie markers. In time, they will make the discs unreadable. They now make special markers for writing on the discs. You can find both the discs and the markers at most good photography stores. I did an internet search to find the best price. A word of warning, they do cost a lot more, but it's worth it for safe storage. Another teacher of mine recommended having one backup stored in a different location. Somewhere away from your other two backups. Hope this helps.

Pat

oh boy, I am in trouble. My cds and dvds are all marked with those pens.
Is there anyway I can erase them clean off the dvds? do you think there is a product I can use so I can have all the backups free of ink? That would be easier than to have to backup all again.

« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2009, 12:12 »
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If there is a way to save them, I haven't found it yet. I've been gradually changing all of mine over to the archival discs with the special markers. My system is to transfer a few old discs at a time to my external hard drive, and then to copy them to the new gold discs. It's been laborious, and is not much fun. The up side is that my storage is now as secure as I can make it. Someone on another list also recommended using Gmail as it has unlimited storage. I haven't checked this out yet. Does anyone do this?

« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2009, 13:15 »
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Sio, I don't understand why are you so angry. Buy the media in the country without taxes, and problem solved without need of worrying about ethics.

I'm not angry at all. I just keep being amazed how stupid politicians are. But then, I'm amazed at many things, all the time. Amazement keeps us going, right?

« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2009, 13:27 »
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Someone on another list also recommended using Gmail as it has unlimited storage. I haven't checked this out yet. Does anyone do this?


As far as I know I mentioned it, and also Yahoo mail. It's free since not the storage is an issue now but just the bandwidth. Dedicated remote storage servers might disappear, like Digital Railroad. Chances that Yahoo or Google fail are less. Using a GDRIVE (and here) or an YDrive (Google on it, also at Tucows.com) is more secure. If it's against their TOS, mail all the images to yourself, that's within the TOS. Of course, no network drive is safe in principle, and it has a bandwidth problem. The only decent solutions to mission-critical backups is redundancy so use your local drives (Iomega USB drives are cheap now) too.


 

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