You must mean 1987, the first Mac wasn’t even around until ’83. My first Mac was the 512K in 1984. I think the Mac II came out in '86 or '87. The company got a few 512K boxes in 83 (they came with a case so you could take them home but they were heavy) and asked me to figure them out so I could teach others. It had MacPaint and MacWrite for software, that's it. By 1987 I was learning QuarkXPress but Photoshop wasn’t around until ’89. It was called something else though. I use an iMac now and love it, the monitor is much improved from that old glossy screen. It is very compact but really sturdy.
I had to add another vote to the PC/cost-effective camp. I agree that specs are MUCH more important than brand and if you're looking at specs only, PCs are so much less expensive than Macs. My build which cost ~$1,000USD is below:
AMD FX 8150 8-core processor @ 3.6GHz
Biostar TA970 motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce GT 630 w/ 4GB DDR3
32GB RAM
2x OCZ 240GB SSD
2x 2TB 7200RPM HDD
850watt modular power supply
Generic case w/ 6 fans
Window 7
I built this system to be able to handle Canon HDSLR video editing and it's been superb. I tried to price out a Mac with similar specs and the price that I came up with was about $3000 with only 16GB of RAM.
That extra $2000 could buy a nice lens! The other benefit is that I can easily upgrade my system when I need to. The motherboard supports up to 64GB of RAM, so I plan to increase that in the near future.
i'm using PC and Macs since the early 80's, if mac users are still ok using just one mouse button i'm afraid they're going to be confused with two buttons
"I agree that specs are MUCH more important than brand and if you're looking at specs only, PCs are so much less expensive than Macs."
This is an old and boring argument, ably refuted in this article, comparing a very highly specce'd new Power Mac and the attempt to build a PC equivalent in power ( to save you reading the whole article, the PC was more expensive)
[url]http://www.futurelooks.com/new-apple-mac-pro-can-build-better-cheaper-pc-diy-style/[/url] ([url]http://www.futurelooks.com/new-apple-mac-pro-can-build-better-cheaper-pc-diy-style/[/url])
There are many of us who don't want to build our own machines. We don't know or care what is inside. We want to buy a computer that works from the get-go, is fast, has an operating system that is easy to upgrade, has a display that works with our eyes and that can be color-tuned to they way we work, will not be obsolete in a year and seldom needs trouble-shooting. I work on a Windows machine at work, a Mac at home. I use the same programs and they work just as well on both. They are both speedy. The dif is that there is an IT staff at work that takes care of all the problems and upgrades. At home I don't have to know too much other than every Mac I have owned has been worry-free out of the box and lasts forever. Yes, I back-up - that is a given no matter your system. Yes, I add as much memory and storage as I can but that can be done before the machine arrives at my house. Do I pay more, probably but the convenience is worth it to me since I am not a computer tech and do not play one on tv. It all comes down to personal preference (duh) and any time this question is asked you will get the same answers. It's just like the question, "which is the best camera, blah, blah". It depends on what you want to shoot and how you work. As with cameras, I say give a few a try and see what feels right for you. Same with computers. Your mileage may vary.
There are many of us who don't want to build our own machines. We don't know or care what is inside. We want to buy a computer that works from the get-go, is fast, has an operating system that is easy to upgrade, has a display that works with our eyes and that can be color-tuned to they way we work, will not be obsolete in a year and seldom needs trouble-shooting. I work on a Windows machine at work, a Mac at home. I use the same programs and they work just as well on both. They are both speedy. The dif is that there is an IT staff at work that takes care of all the problems and upgrades. At home I don't have to know too much other than every Mac I have owned has been worry-free out of the box and lasts forever. Yes, I back-up - that is a given no matter your system. Yes, I add as much memory and storage as I can but that can be done before the machine arrives at my house. Do I pay more, probably but the convenience is worth it to me since I am not a computer tech and do not play one on tv. It all comes down to personal preference (duh) and any time this question is asked you will get the same answers. It's just like the question, "which is the best camera, blah, blah". It depends on what you want to shoot and how you work. As with cameras, I say give a few a try and see what feels right for you. Same with computers. Your mileage may vary.
There are many of us who just want to be lumberjacks, no need to concern ourselves with what/how computers are, and all that 21st century BS. Just need an axe and a comp that can log on to the lumberjack forums on weekends.
There are many of us who don't want to build our own machines. We don't know or care what is inside. We want to buy a computer that works from the get-go, is fast, has an operating system that is easy to upgrade, has a display that works with our eyes and that can be color-tuned to they way we work, will not be obsolete in a year and seldom needs trouble-shooting. I work on a Windows machine at work, a Mac at home. I use the same programs and they work just as well on both. They are both speedy. The dif is that there is an IT staff at work that takes care of all the problems and upgrades. At home I don't have to know too much other than every Mac I have owned has been worry-free out of the box and lasts forever. Yes, I back-up - that is a given no matter your system. Yes, I add as much memory and storage as I can but that can be done before the machine arrives at my house. Do I pay more, probably but the convenience is worth it to me since I am not a computer tech and do not play one on tv. It all comes down to personal preference (duh) and any time this question is asked you will get the same answers. It's just like the question, "which is the best camera, blah, blah". It depends on what you want to shoot and how you work. As with cameras, I say give a few a try and see what feels right for you. Same with computers. Your mileage may vary.
There are many of us who just want to be lumberjacks, no need to concern ourselves with what/how computers are, and all that 21st century BS. Just need an axe and a comp that can log on to the lumberjack forums on weekends.
Why did you bother posting such an idiotic response? Oh, the answer lies in my sentence, sorry.
You must mean 1987, the first Mac wasn’t even around until ’83.
Note the computer equipment sans monitor was about $1200. Same with Apple probably be $5000 (ok maybe I exaggerate)
You must mean 1987, the first Mac wasn’t even around until ’83. My first Mac was the 512K in 1984. I think the Mac II came out in '86 or '87.
The Apple II came out in 1977. It's not unlikely that Martha would purchase one in 1982 because Apple continued to sell them and introduce new Apple II models up until 1988, well after the introduction of the Macintosh in 1984.
I am mainly thinking in terms of photo editing, I am not looking at laptops (tired of mine!) or the usual tower desktop pc/mac with monitor, at the moment I believe the all in one pc/mac would suit me better, I understand the usual pc/mac tower is way more powerful with higher expandable cpu or ram or hd etc and cheaper but I am looking for something more "minimalist/practical"
any thoughts are welcome/appreciated, cheers guys :)
I would invest in PC Hackintosh.
My working configuraton: (2 years old) - Intel i7 3770K/4 cores, 32GB, GF450 1GB, 4xSSD is about £700 now (UK) + now Maverics is free. Solutions, hints and guides here: [url=http://www.tonymacx86.com]www.tonymacx86.com[/url] ([url]http://www.tonymacx86.com[/url])
You must mean 1987, the first Mac wasn’t even around until ’83. My first Mac was the 512K in 1984. I think the Mac II came out in '86 or '87. The company got a few 512K boxes in 83 (they came with a case so you could take them home but they were heavy) and asked me to figure them out so I could teach others. It had MacPaint and MacWrite for software, that's it. By 1987 I was learning QuarkXPress but Photoshop wasn’t around until ’89. It was called something else though. I use an iMac now and love it, the monitor is much improved from that old glossy screen. It is very compact but really sturdy.
Note the computer equipment sans monitor was about $1200. Same with Apple probably be $5000 (ok maybe I exaggerate)
Yes, you definitely do exaggerate. :)
I guess you could also say that since this is 2014 what is the dif between a Canon and Nikon camera?
thanks again for all relevant information guys! I still haven't made up my mind because I am very busy lately but I am still more inclined to PC (Dell) once I don't want to change all my workflow, hope this topic is helping other as well :)
thanks again for all relevant information guys! I still haven't made up my mind because I am very busy lately but I am still more inclined to PC (Dell) once I don't want to change all my workflow, hope this topic is helping other as well :)
If you use Lightroom and Photoshop (and most of the software) your workflow will be very similar with Windows or Mac.
Personally I should not consider not changing the workflow a valid point for a decision.
And according to Forbes:
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/04/25/the-best-windows-pc-is-an-apple-mac/[/url] ([url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/04/25/the-best-windows-pc-is-an-apple-mac/[/url])
... In short get the most processing power and RAM you can afford...
My husband is on the phone all the time with Apple. Mac software never works and they constantly have to take control of his computer to figure things out.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
I'd agree. I tested the boot time between a HDD vs Hybrid HDD/SSD. HDD was 42 seconds. Hybrid was 20 seconds. I haven't timed anything else but a lot of apps seem a lot quicker to load and run with the Hybrid.
And I'm not sure the price thing is accurate. I always believed this too but when I spec'd out a Dell laptop with similar configuration to a Macbook Pro the price was pretty close. Seems like Apple doesn't make bare bones stuff which is why PC is cheaper on average but not apples to apples.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
I'd agree. I tested the boot time between a HDD vs Hybrid HDD/SSD. HDD was 42 seconds. Hybrid was 20 seconds. I haven't timed anything else but a lot of apps seem a lot quicker to load and run with the Hybrid.
And I'm not sure the price thing is accurate. I always believed this too but when I spec'd out a Dell laptop with similar configuration to a Macbook Pro the price was pretty close. Seems like Apple doesn't make bare bones stuff which is why PC is cheaper on average but not apples to apples.
Of course it's quicker to load. What do you spend your time on, loading or working and is 20 seconds at the start really worth the money? When working it's all in RAM anyway.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
I think my next workstation will be an iMac though
Very happy with the latest mac mini. It is 4x faster than my 5 years old iMac. It isn't much slower than Mac Pro considering the price difference. Advice: go for Fussion drive when you plan to use it for photo editing. I have the same mac mini without fussion drive as rendering server and it takes much longer to load photographs or open apps.
I believe there is new gen mac mini coming soon, I'd wait for that.
iMacs are suberb for editing as well, if you prefer all in 1 option.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
great discussion - been trying to find out the same info - thanks much!
PC=viruses
Mac=no viruses
PC=viruses
Mac=no viruses
Macs are just as vulnerable to viruses. Since Macs are the minority it is less of a target, but to say Macs do not get viruses is just untrue.
No matter which you get, don't bypass virus protection software
I would invest in PC Hackintosh.
My working configuraton: (2 years old) - Intel i7 3770K/4 cores, 32GB, GF450 1GB, 4xSSD is about £700 now (UK) + now Maverics is free. Solutions, hints and guides here: [url=http://www.tonymacx86.com]www.tonymacx86.com[/url] ([url]http://www.tonymacx86.com[/url])
I equate Hackintoshing with image and film piracy. If you are using a thing beyond pure experimentation I think you should pay for it. And OS X which is basically free is funded by the people who buy Macs.
Why not go the Linux route if you want a great free OS ? Linux is excellent.
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
I'd agree. I tested the boot time between a HDD vs Hybrid HDD/SSD. HDD was 42 seconds. Hybrid was 20 seconds. I haven't timed anything else but a lot of apps seem a lot quicker to load and run with the Hybrid.
And I'm not sure the price thing is accurate. I always believed this too but when I spec'd out a Dell laptop with similar configuration to a Macbook Pro the price was pretty close. Seems like Apple doesn't make bare bones stuff which is why PC is cheaper on average but not apples to apples.
Of course it's quicker to load. What do you spend your time on, loading or working and is 20 seconds at the start really worth the money? When working it's all in RAM anyway.
I've had more serious trouble with my MACs than I ever had with PCs - in 2012 both my iMac and my Macbook crashed within 2 days of each other! My antivirus software finds the occasional virus and cleans it.
Yet, despite the higher cost and their track record, I wouldn't go back to a PC. I've used my husband's and friend's PCs from time to time over the past 6-7 years since I switched and find them far less user-friendly than MACs.
As a photographer, when I print the colors match, even from my uncalibrated laptop prints look much as they do on my screen. Personally, I find it worth the difference. And the convenience of the MAC stores and their online help beats any of the PC manufacturers I've dealt with (I had trouble with my Dell and HP PCs/laptops too - and getting help was always a trial).
Just one woman's opinion.
Once you get the hang of the MAC again, I think you'll be happy. Apple Care is a necessity. Good choice.
Ignorance is a bad beast. :-X
The one thing that i see (and hear) over and over is "laptop." I'm not sure why anyone wanting to get a serious volume of work done would consider a laptop in the first place. You get much more bang for your buck (Mac or PC) from a desktop. And honestly, how often are you doing heavy-duty work when you're not in your home or office?
YMMV, but for me, when I'm not in my office in front of my computer, I don't want my computer following me! ;D
lb for lb MACs are at least twice the price - I'd prefer to spend on CPU and RAM than badges or complete non-essentials like SSDs.
I would hesitate to put SSDs into the non-essential category. The increase in performance is pretty amazing!
I'd agree. I tested the boot time between a HDD vs Hybrid HDD/SSD. HDD was 42 seconds. Hybrid was 20 seconds. I haven't timed anything else but a lot of apps seem a lot quicker to load and run with the Hybrid.
And I'm not sure the price thing is accurate. I always believed this too but when I spec'd out a Dell laptop with similar configuration to a Macbook Pro the price was pretty close. Seems like Apple doesn't make bare bones stuff which is why PC is cheaper on average but not apples to apples.
Of course it's quicker to load. What do you spend your time on, loading or working and is 20 seconds at the start really worth the money? When working it's all in RAM anyway.
It's not much money so that alone would be worth it. Also it would be obvious to anyone with a bit of computer literacy that starting programs and swapping/caching is also hell of lot faster with ssd... because no, it's almost never ever all RAM when working, even if you have a lot of it. It's right there in photoshop, one of the most basic settings to do after install, swap disc / ram usage: edit-->preferences-->performance. Glad I could help.
Thanks for starting this topic luis. I have also been trying to get the right machine for me as i was so sick of my dell laptop, specially their support in my country.. Pathetic. Probably dell providing good support in states and Europian country but not in asia.
oh. Sad to hear that. HP is also an US company but i dont hear much from Americans about them. Its support is better in my country. I have a HP printer and even after rough use, its working perfectly and its support has been great so HP probably my next brand. When i was buying dell, i was so optimistic about it but HELL. Completely regretting. Now i think the brand which advertise more (in my country), are not so goodThanks for starting this topic luis. I have also been trying to get the right machine for me as i was so sick of my dell laptop, specially their support in my country.. Pathetic. Probably dell providing good support in states and Europian country but not in asia.
No Dell is not providing good support in the US - their support is downright horrible! Dell has lost me as a customer forever. They treat their customers like dirt.
The one thing that i see (and hear) over and over is "laptop." I'm not sure why anyone wanting to get a serious volume of work done would consider a laptop in the first place. You get much more bang for your buck (Mac or PC) from a desktop. And honestly, how often are you doing heavy-duty work when you're not in your home or office?
YMMV, but for me, when I'm not in my office in front of my computer, I don't want my computer following me! ;D
Having one computer is more efficient. I was using a Windows desktop and laptop and managing data between the two was a pain. I picked up a MacBook Pro with I7, 16GB, SSD Hybrid and connected it to a 24" monitor. I no longer need a desktop. It runs Lightroom, Photoshop and everything else great. And if I need to travel I have everything on my laptop.
The one thing that i see (and hear) over and over is "laptop." I'm not sure why anyone wanting to get a serious volume of work done would consider a laptop in the first place. You get much more bang for your buck (Mac or PC) from a desktop. And honestly, how often are you doing heavy-duty work when you're not in your home or office?
YMMV, but for me, when I'm not in my office in front of my computer, I don't want my computer following me! ;D
Having one computer is more efficient. I was using a Windows desktop and laptop and managing data between the two was a pain. I picked up a MacBook Pro with I7, 16GB, SSD Hybrid and connected it to a 24" monitor. I no longer need a desktop. It runs Lightroom, Photoshop and everything else great. And if I need to travel I have everything on my laptop.
If you lose MacBook you lose everything. iMac 27 work, with local backup. PC laptop road. Cloud storage share files.
The one thing that i see (and hear) over and over is "laptop." I'm not sure why anyone wanting to get a serious volume of work done would consider a laptop in the first place. You get much more bang for your buck (Mac or PC) from a desktop. And honestly, how often are you doing heavy-duty work when you're not in your home or office?
YMMV, but for me, when I'm not in my office in front of my computer, I don't want my computer following me! ;D
Having one computer is more efficient. I was using a Windows desktop and laptop and managing data between the two was a pain. I picked up a MacBook Pro with I7, 16GB, SSD Hybrid and connected it to a 24" monitor. I no longer need a desktop. It runs Lightroom, Photoshop and everything else great. And if I need to travel I have everything on my laptop.
If you lose MacBook you lose everything. iMac 27 work, with local backup. PC laptop road. Cloud storage share files.
I want to buy a laptop for video processing in 4k and 6k. Advise configuration or model?
This configuration is already outdated:?
- Intel Core I7-10750H;
- 32 gb (DDR4)
- SSD 512 gb.
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Intel UHD, 6 gb GDDR6
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I hear their voices, Baaa, Baa, Apple, iMac, iPhone, softly murmuring in unison, as a flock, Baa, Baa, baaaa
M3 Starts at $1,299 but what you will want and need costs about $2,700 and up. Note: you can't adjust the height or angle of the screen? It does tilt a little.
Answer: PC
Given that Apple only have 16% of the US personal computer market (2023, Q4), one wonders who the sheep are. :P
Given that Apple only have 16% of the US personal computer market (2023, Q4), one wonders who the sheep are. :P
And just over 18% of the world uses iPhones, but reading the web and the news, you would think, it's the biggest, best invention of all time. Every new release, the loyal sheep, line up to buy an upgrade. Until recently we didn't have the right to repair our own phones. What Apple does, is makes the old products obsolete by just saying, they are, and then doesn't support them anymore.
I have an iPhone, I think it's 100 times better than any Android phone I ever owned. Reliable, works, doesn't lock up. Good design and interface. If someone asked me what phone system is best, I'd say iPhone. That's as a phone and for Apps.
But I'm not going to answer every question that anyone asks about technology with "Anything Apple of course". :)
I've worked on an iMac, (in some Windows simulator mode) they are excellent, fast, bright, pretty much, all around wonderful. MAC laptop displays for many years, were far ahead of anything else. But modern PCs, the processors, the graphics cards, and everything else, is equal, and sometimes better.
"The satisfaction of belonging to a cohesive group leads people to suppress their inner doubts. Loud voices overpower quieter ones, dissent is quashed, and the outcome is flawed..." That describes the devoted Apple cult members. They can only praise anything that Apple produces.
Given that Apple only have 16% of the US personal computer market (2023, Q4), one wonders who the sheep are. :P
And just over 18% of the world uses iPhones, but reading the web and the news, you would think, it's the biggest, best invention of all time. Every new release, the loyal sheep, line up to buy an upgrade. Until recently we didn't have the right to repair our own phones. What Apple does, is makes the old products obsolete by just saying, they are, and then doesn't support them anymore.
I have an iPhone, I think it's 100 times better than any Android phone I ever owned. Reliable, works, doesn't lock up. Good design and interface. If someone asked me what phone system is best, I'd say iPhone. That's as a phone and for Apps....