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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 03:35 »
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I deleted all my images from Crestock,

-Not enough sales
-Lousy commision
-Bad review process
-and a spokesperson who (as this thread proves) hasn't got a clue about photography.

IMO this isn't the way to conduct a successful business, especially one where there's so much competition.

The only good thing about Crestock is Josh, if you read this Josh get a job with iStock!


Exactly my opinion. I have deleted all my images from Crestock too. After Luckyoliver experience it's time to be more selective with microstock sites.


« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 05:24 »
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Josh, the sensible move for crestock is to raise the $0.25 for subscription sales.  SS are going to give us a raise in the next few days and I will have to re asses if it is worth my time uploading to the lower paying sites.

It is obvious from the other sites that people will pay more for our work.  Receiving $0.25 for a sale is looking ridiculous.

« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 05:45 »
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What I would like to know is why a site which has REJECTEDan image feels it has the right to use that image in any manner other than for record keeping purposes.

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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 05:56 »
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if there's one dope thats going to hasten the death of any stock site its that arrogunt wigged gobshite waving his gavel around like he knows what hes talking about. so incensed wuz i by some of his off the wall critiques i simply stopped uploading, which reminds me i must delete whats already up there.

You sound familiar. Contakt = Editorial?

Oooh dear have I been unmasked. You had better tell all the boys and girls and leaf real quick coz u never know what may happen!

josh_crestock

« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2008, 06:12 »
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What I would like to know is why a site which has REJECTEDan image feels it has the right to use that image in any manner other than for record keeping purposes.

To be completely honest, as far as I was aware we were using images in this segment from a database that we'd taken ourselves. (We are quite the bunch of talented photographers). The image from Lior, seems to be an exception that has slipped thru because its from someone who is an active photographer and the image isn't so terrible. Again, I understand this to be a mistake, and an exception.

« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2008, 06:35 »
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What I would like to know is why a site which has REJECTEDan image feels it has the right to use that image in any manner other than for record keeping purposes.

To be completely honest, as far as I was aware we were using images in this segment from a database that we'd taken ourselves. (We are quite the bunch of talented photographers). The image from Lior, seems to be an exception that has slipped thru because its from someone who is an active photographer and the image isn't so terrible. Again, I understand this to be a mistake, and an exception.

How about the images which have identifiable people in them... do you get their consent to include them on the worst image section... sounds to me like a defamation action waiting to happen.

« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2008, 08:39 »
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Lior, our apologies because there seems to have been a small error made here. Without wanting to kill any of the myth or controversy of Judge Ross, images are chosen so that they will not offend. That is, from contributors who haven't been active in 2 years. The chances that the original contributor will see the images are slim. And, then, in this case, it was a 'borderline' rejection (don't know exactly as i can't find the full-size original) and the reasons for rejection aren't apparent at preview size. I believe this was a mistake, and this is not the intended result of Judge Ross' picks.

EXCUSE ME?????   Are you going to put MY photos on Judge Ross in 2 years, and that's okay because I likely won't see it?    Show me what I signed giving you permission to do that.  Posting a rejected photo on your commercial website is a violation of my copyright.  Why don't you just come into my house and steal my television and take the car out of the garage while you are at it.

« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2008, 08:50 »
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I just noticed that Crestock has one of my images in the worst picture section. (A picture that has in fact sold quite well on other sites.) I have never been asked for permission to use this picture, and would not have given permission if I had been asked.

I would like to know what recompense Crestock are going to offer for using my image without my permission.



josh_crestock

« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2008, 09:07 »
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I just noticed that Crestock has one of my images in the worst picture section. (A picture that has in fact sold quite well on other sites.) I have never been asked for permission to use this picture, and would not have given permission if I had been asked.

I would like to know what recompense Crestock are going to offer for using my image without my permission.

Please provide or PM a link of the image in question.

Thanks,

Josh - Crestock.com

bittersweet

« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2008, 09:26 »
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... images are chosen so that they will not offend. That is, from contributors who haven't been active in 2 years. The chances that the original contributor will see the images are slim. ...

To be completely honest, as far as I was aware we were using images in this segment from a database that we'd taken ourselves.

Am I the only one who sees these two statements as contradicting one another?

« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2008, 09:28 »
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josh_crestock

« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2008, 09:30 »
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... images are chosen so that they will not offend. That is, from contributors who haven't been active in 2 years. The chances that the original contributor will see the images are slim. ...

To be completely honest, as far as I was aware we were using images in this segment from a database that we'd taken ourselves.

Am I the only one who sees these two statements as contradicting one another?

Thats because I have never had any input into this segment. I'm still in the process of getting updated on whats happening here so I can answer appropriately.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 09:33 by josh_crestock »

« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2008, 09:45 »
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Funny you should quote him, I thought some of your post's sounded very much like our old friend.  In fact I was wondering if you were one in the same?

to quote a former poster who was banned from this forum, i';d love to c things from his point of view but i don't think i could get my head that far up my ass  ;D

josh_crestock

« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2008, 09:58 »
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Here it is:

https://www.crestock.com/todays-worst-image.aspx?id=327

Most of the Judge Ross photos only really work as sets, the 'worst' contrasting the best. - If I'm not mistaken that particular image was contrasting a bowl of fresh fruit or something like that, so on it's own it's not that a bad photo as such, if you needed a photo of a rotten lemon that is, so it's a judgement call on the part of the inspector here that they couldn't see a context in which this would be useful.

I/we totally accept that this particular segment in this format may have outlived its original purpose, as a learning tool, to contrast the best of the current submissions with an opposing image that was less appropriate. This is becoming increasingly redundant as the standard of submissions have improved drastically since the early days.

I understand that the majority of these images were not sourced from rejected images but either produced or found elsewhere, some, but not all. From a legal point of view, the terms and conditions stipulate that we reserve the right to display any content uploaded on our site, obviously without making them available for download or sale in any way. "By uploading Content to www.crestock.com, the Supplier admits a non-exclusive licence to display the uploaded Content on Crestock's homepage (www.crestock.com)." Crestock in no regards wished to be economical with the truth and we see it as unfortunate if any rejected images have been used in this context (albeit anonymously), without the prior consent of the contributor. We consider this an obligation bourne out of courtesy, rather than a legal obligation.

While some people do find the 'worst image' feature quite entertaining, clearly the intention of Crestock is far removed from humiliating any photographer in any way. This is apparent as it would only be the owner of the photo who would be able to identify the image. There have been contributors in the past who have benefited from this compare and contrast approach of displaying images. However, i think, generally the level of ability of most readers on this forum tends to render this slightly less beneficial. And, i certainly think, that Crestock and the industry as a whole has moved past this and we will be looking to provide more stimulating and relevant content, in the very near future.

Thanks,

Josh - Crestock.com
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 10:00 by josh_crestock »

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2008, 10:46 »
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Here it is:

https://www.crestock.com/todays-worst-image.aspx?id=327



While some people do find the 'worst image' feature quite entertaining, clearly the intention of Crestock is far removed from humiliating any photographer in any way. This is apparent as it would only be the owner of the photo who would be able to identify the image. There have been contributors in the past who have benefited from this compare and contrast approach of displaying images. However, i think, generally the level of ability of most readers on this forum tends to render this slightly less beneficial. And, i certainly think, that Crestock and the industry as a whole has moved past this and we will be looking to provide more stimulating and relevant content, in the very near future.

Thanks,

Josh - Crestock.com


Those who know me, know that I speak my mind and have been banned from more than one forum for doing so but it won't shut me up either as you can see.

I have no doubt that a lot people find Judge Ross's comments highly amusing but you've left out one very important caveat. It's humor at the expense of others.

The reality is, Judge Ross's condescending critique is borderline abusive at worst and misguided rubbish at best. None of the comments I have seen to date are in the slightest bit educational and from my perspective seem more designed to humiliate rather than educate.

For you to come on here and suggest otherwise is not only an affront to many people's intelligence but to go as far as to say they might not notice is only adding insult to injury.

For what it's worth, Judge Ross is a surefire way to alienate some of the v very best photographers on this forum. I don't claim to be one myself but if you think you can get away with satire at any level and without any regard for the reputations you are hurting well then you are sorely mistaken Mr. Josh.


josh_crestock

« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2008, 10:59 »
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No worries. Thank you for your well thought out opinions.

Josh Hodge
Director, Photographer Relations & Inspections
Crestock.com

« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 11:17 »
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Here it is:

https://www.crestock.com/todays-worst-image.aspx?id=327

Most of the Judge Ross photos only really work as sets, the 'worst' contrasting the best. - If I'm not mistaken that particular image was contrasting a bowl of fresh fruit or something like that,...

he seems to be judging the fruit not the photo.may be that's what he is good at:)

« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2008, 11:21 »
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Josh,

I really do appreciate you taking the time to read the posts here and to reply, but...

At first I found all this rather amusing, but after reading what you had to say here, I was thinking again about it all and came to a conclusion that I would not want to take part in a site that treats it's contributors the way you do.

I find your site to be very arrogant, with nothing real to back it up with.

I will contact your support and ask to remove all of my images from your site.

« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2008, 11:51 »
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I don't think this is the serious issue with crestock though.  I don't mind if my photos end up worst of the day but paying us just $0.25 for a download is making me wonder why I am there.  Other sites have raised their prices and have kept their buyers.  Crestock need to correct this quick.

« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2008, 12:03 »
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... I don't mind if my photos end up worst of the day but paying us just $0.25 for a download is making me wonder why I am there.  ...
That's about how I feel, too.
Crestock is by far my lowest earner.

« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2008, 12:04 »
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Those who know me, know that I speak my mind and have been banned from more than one forum for doing so but it won't shut me up either as you can see.

I can think of 3 you have been banned from.  It made me laugh the way you disguised some of your posts but it was pretty obvious who you are.  I was going to report you but there isn't much point as you will just register under another name.  You really do post too much though LOL.

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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2008, 12:07 »
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Those who know me, know that I speak my mind and have been banned from more than one forum for doing so but it won't shut me up either as you can see.

I can think of 3 you have been banned from.  It made me laugh the way you disguised some of your posts but it was pretty obvious who you are.  I was going to report you but there isn't much point as you will just register under another name.  You really do post too much though LOL.

LOL trust me I'm not your worst enemy sharpshot but it was nice sniping at you undercover while it lasted  ;D

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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2008, 12:08 »
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Here it is:

https://www.crestock.com/todays-worst-image.aspx?id=327



While some people do find the 'worst image' feature quite entertaining, clearly the intention of Crestock is far removed from humiliating any photographer in any way. This is apparent as it would only be the owner of the photo who would be able to identify the image. There have been contributors in the past who have benefited from this compare and contrast approach of displaying images. However, i think, generally the level of ability of most readers on this forum tends to render this slightly less beneficial. And, i certainly think, that Crestock and the industry as a whole has moved past this and we will be looking to provide more stimulating and relevant content, in the very near future.

Thanks,

Josh - Crestock.com


Those who know me, know that I speak my mind and have been banned from more than one forum for doing so but it won't shut me up either as you can see.

I have no doubt that a lot people find Judge Ross's comments highly amusing but you've left out one very important caveat. It's humor at the expense of others.

The reality is, Judge Ross's condescending critique is borderline abusive at worst and misguided rubbish at best. None of the comments I have seen to date are in the slightest bit educational and from my perspective seem more designed to humiliate rather than educate.

For you to come on here and suggest otherwise is not only an affront to many people's intelligence but to go as far as to say they might not notice is only adding insult to injury.

For what it's worth, Judge Ross is a surefire way to alienate some of the v very best photographers on this forum. I don't claim to be one myself but if you think you can get away with satire at any level and without any regard for the reputations you are hurting well then you are sorely mistaken Mr. Josh.



Oh yes, we know you. Self-proclaimed speaker of minds, teller of truths, blah blah blahhhhh.

You've been banned from numerous forums probably not for speaking your mind, but for your abrasive method of delivering what's on your mind. It's unfortunate, because you occassionally make a good point, but few people will bother to take your point into consideration because it's usually delivered on the end of a sledge hammer to the side of the head.

Maybe some day you'll get it and learn to play nice with others.



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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2008, 12:19 »
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Yeah well sometimes when you're delivering the goods they sometimes come with a rocket attached and that's why we have what's called freedom from censorship.

But I must say it's such a relief to be able to spell check again albeit short lived. Soooooo come on, let's get this over with Leaf. Delete me so I can alter my IP and have another go at that po-faced thespian over at Crestock.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 12:30 by Contakt »

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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2008, 12:29 »
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But I must say it's such a relief to be able to spell check again.

You mean to tell me you're not rjmiz  :o

Shame you got found out mate, forums are never the same without you.


 

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