Author Topic: ‘BTV’ Released – Cutcaster’s Untapped Photo and Vector Collection (Read 51699 times)

PixelBytes · « **Reply #100 on:** August 06, 2009, 19:50 »

Quote from: whatalife on August 06, 2009, 17:02

Quote from: sjlocke on August 06, 2009, 15:52
Am I the only person speaking English anymore?

No, but you are definitely one of the few who are not registering new accounts so that they can have conversations with themselves.

willie · « **Reply #101 on:** August 06, 2009, 20:01 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on August 06, 2009, 19:50

Quote from: whatalife on August 06, 2009, 17:02
Quote from: sjlocke on August 06, 2009, 15:52
Am I the only person speaking English anymore?

No, but you are definitely one of the few who are not registering new accounts so that they can have conversations with themselves.

OK, now check this out and cry

http://www.cutcaster.com/Betta-Than-Vetta

As you can see, there are some familiar contributors from the Big 6 in here.
No wonder some of you are so worried that John is getting too much notice.

bittersweet · « **Reply #102 on:** August 06, 2009, 22:01 »

Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 20:01

As you can see, there are some familiar contributors from the Big 6 in here.
No wonder some of you are so worried that John is getting too much notice.

Yes, there are some familiar images from those familiar contributors that we've seen all over the Big 6.
I really haven't seen anyone here worried about anything at all, so I'm not sure to whom you are referring.

willie · « **Reply #103 on:** August 06, 2009, 22:40 »

Quote from: whatalife on August 06, 2009, 22:01

Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 20:01

As you can see, there are some familiar contributors from the Big 6 in here.
No wonder some of you are so worried that John is getting too much notice.

Yes, there are some familiar images from those familiar contributors that we've seen all over the Big 6.
I really haven't seen anyone here worried about anything at all, so I'm not sure to whom you are referring.

WONDERFUL,
there is not anyone here worried about anything at all.
So let us all wish John Griffin and BETTA THAN VETTA
every success !

And everybody's happy !

willie · « **Reply #104 on:** August 06, 2009, 22:44 »

there is only one thing BETTA
than a happy ending

and
that
is

a happy beginning

BETTA THAN VETTA
John Griffin and Cutcaster

every body here on MSG who is "not worried"
wishes you every success for the BETTA of all contributors

cidepix · « **Reply #105 on:** August 06, 2009, 23:09 »

Much ado about nothing!

It is a shame that this thread got this many responses. I blame myself as well for over contributing to this thread.

Since when CC is the site to talk about? Let's see the sales first. Seriously, too much talk for what!?

willie · « **Reply #106 on:** August 06, 2009, 23:18 »

Quote from: cidepix on August 06, 2009, 23:09

Much ado about nothing!

It is a shame that this thread got this many responses. I blame myself as well for over contributing to this thread.

Since when CC is the site to talk about? Let's see the sales first. Seriously, too much talk for what!?

you are right too, cidepix. NATO.

but it is good to be given an alternative, and not to feel like the Big 6 has a monopoly.
Like every business on the www, you never know who the next big thing is.
I remember when I was in a company that was bidding to get business many years ago
with a new fledgling company on www . It was called Yahoo, and everyone started to laugh
at the mention of the name . No one took it seriously , except a few people
who actually went out to buy some Yahoo stocks.

We know the rest of that story. Not many of us from that office laughs anymore
whenever some new company on the web comes up and say they are going to do something
incredible.

I think the same applies to micro stock.

cidepix · « **Reply #107 on:** August 06, 2009, 23:23 »

Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 23:18

Quote from: cidepix on August 06, 2009, 23:09
Much ado about nothing!

It is a shame that this thread got this many responses. I blame myself as well for over contributing to this thread.

Since when CC is the site to talk about? Let's see the sales first. Seriously, too much talk for what!?

you are right too, cidepix. NATO.

but it is good to be given an alternative, and not to feel like the Big 6 has a monopoly.
Like every business on the www, you never know who the next big thing is.
I remember when I was in a company that was bidding to get business many years ago
with a new fledgling company on www . It was called Yahoo, and everyone started to laugh
at the mention of the name . No one took it seriously , except a few people
who actually went out to buy some Yahoo stocks.

We know the rest of that story. Not many of us from that office laughs anymore
whenever some new company on the web comes up and say they are going to do something
incredible.

I think the same applies to micro stock.

That's a good example why CC isn't the one

Yahoo was something new! Something interesting!

CC and interesting? Nope, not after this thread. At least it doesn't sound like it. Sure I wish it can be the next big site, but it looks like it won't be.

Fading hopes.

willie · « **Reply #108 on:** August 06, 2009, 23:41 »

Quote from: cidepix on August 06, 2009, 23:23

That's a good example why CC isn't the one Yahoo was something new! Something interesting!

CC and interesting? Nope, not after this thread. At least it doesn't sound like it. Sure I wish it can be the next big site, but it looks like it won't be.

Fading hopes.

Ah yes, I agree with you too.
was it you who said Cutcaster is a cool site but it has to be something different rather than emulate IS, etc.
You are right there too. Which is why the need to discussion .
If we all sit on our hands and just say forget it, what's the use, nothing new is going to happen either.

The change is not going to come for us contributors if we simply accept whatever the Big 6 offers us.
They say Jump, We say How High?
Well, that's what been happening for all these times. That is why all we see is subs and prices going lower each day.
If we have a dialogue, we can let some sites know what changes we want. Hopefully the Big 6 will change too with this dialogue , although I won't hold my breath on that.
But maybe just maybe someone else has a better idea and a greater vision
and a better marketing division, that will provide us contributors with a fair alternative.

Dreaming? perharps, so long as we are not falling asleep .

It's like everything in life. The change comes with one person. That person is the man in the mirror.
You know the losers in life. They are the ones who does nothing.

Adeptris · « **Reply #109 on:** August 06, 2009, 23:43 »

Quote from: whatalife on August 06, 2009, 22:01

Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 20:01

As you can see, there are some familiar contributors from the Big 6 in here.
No wonder some of you are so worried that John is getting too much notice.

Yes, there are some familiar images from those familiar contributors that we've seen all over the Big 6.
I really haven't seen anyone here worried about anything at all, so I'm not sure to whom you are referring.

We have had some fun lets get back to the business side of Betta,
If you can identify that these familiar images can be purchased cheaper from the big 6 then likewise so can the customers, this then devalues the Betta collection for buyers, which could have the reverse effect, a collection within a library can have a negative effect if they are just images that can be purchased on any library especially if they are priced higher.

Betta is not really based on Vetta or even comparable, the pricipal difference is the photographer and image exclusivity on Istock which is the unique selling point of the Vetta collection and adds the value, I cannot see any unique selling point or added value more than 'we have selected a few images we think you might like'.

On this basis 'Vetta is Betta than Betta' because any purchase I make would mean that the images is not likely to have many random downloads to use up credits from a subscription plan, the Idea is with a collection you are getting something with a value.

Istock might be like Marmite or Vegimite to some people where you 'love it or hate it', but you would avoid any Wannabe imitations, so we have BETTA-A-WANNABE-VETTA but without the product

Yahoo are now just a wannabe Google that have Flickr who do not even backup thier users images and cannot restore a hacked account, they had thier chance and blew it big time!

David

loop · « **Reply #110 on:** August 07, 2009, 03:02 »

What about anoter tiny agency releasing "Betta than Betta than Vetta"?

Leontura · « **Reply #111 on:** August 07, 2009, 03:32 »

Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 10:16

Quote from: Leontura on August 05, 2009, 23:19
Quote from: perseus on August 05, 2009, 18:24

so , what if, CC wants to give Getty a heave-ho, and do what they did.
what are you IS people so afraid of?
are you really afraid CC will cut into your breadline? if so, why the fuss?

I dont think anyone is afraid of cutcaster. The reason people are posting is because its such a hilariously bad name! I think most people cant believe anyone could come up with something so ridiculous and actually put it into practice without realising.

Leontura, I so agree with you. Betta than Vetta is such a hilariously bad name.
It sounds just as hilariously bad as Yahoo - Twitter - Google - Flickr -
you are so right.

Really? Those other memorable but silly names sound as bad to you as "betta than vetta"? Would you prefer "better than microsoft" to "google"? *shrug* you must be seeing something that Im not. Maybe you should change your name to "betta than yuri" before anyone else does.

willie · « **Reply #112 on:** August 07, 2009, 04:01 »

Quote from: Adeptris on August 06, 2009, 23:43

Quote from: whatalife on August 06, 2009, 22:01
Quote from: perseus, Who ? on August 06, 2009, 20:01

As you can see, there are some familiar contributors from the Big 6 in here.
No wonder some of you are so worried that John is getting too much notice.

Yes, there are some familiar images from those familiar contributors that we've seen all over the Big 6.
I really haven't seen anyone here worried about anything at all, so I'm not sure to whom you are referring.

We have had some fun lets get back to the business side of Betta,
If you can identify that these familiar images can be purchased cheaper from the big 6 then likewise so can the customers, this then devalues the Betta collection for buyers, which could have the reverse effect, a collection within a library can have a negative effect if they are just images that can be purchased on any library especially if they are priced higher.

Betta is not really based on Vetta or even comparable, the pricipal difference is the photographer and image exclusivity on Istock which is the unique selling point of the Vetta collection and adds the value, I cannot see any unique selling point or added value more than 'we have selected a few images we think you might like'.

On this basis 'Vetta is Betta than Betta' because any purchase I make would mean that the images is not likely to have many random downloads to use up credits from a subscription plan, the Idea is with a collection you are getting something with a value.

Istock might be like Marmite or Vegimite to some people where you 'love it or hate it', but you would avoid any Wannabe imitations, so we have BETTA-A-WANNABE-VETTA but without the product

Yahoo are now just a wannabe Google that have Flickr who do not even backup thier users images and cannot restore a hacked account, they had thier chance and blew it big time!

David

Cheers David, once again good points.

my stand for Betta than Vetta was not due whether it is unique or not, but rather over the furor of whether Cut was allowed to use that name.
it wasn't to disqualify Vetta Istock being Marmite or Bovril, to use your analogy.

i complemented Istock for giving exclusive Vetta, after they sent a curve ball to the disgruntlement of their faithful contributors. But of course, we know that this would not have happened if the regular IStock-ers like Joanne , Sean,etc.. did not come in force to display their disapproval.
it isn't a case of love Cutcaster hate Istock. In fact, i have been in regular PM contact with some of the more outstanding IS exclusives i met through this forum.

good or bad, i vouch for Betta than Vetta simply because they provide an alternative to contributors looking for a better deal , and a way from the subs that have been moving lower and lower each day with every Big 6 competing to win the honours of being the one that offers the lowest price ever to give away our "worthless" images in the form of a micro stock garage sale.

touching on Yahoo and it's inaction to protect Flickr image is also another good point that you bring out. this is no different from the Big 6 turning a deaf and dumb when it comes to addressing image theft or negotiating a better income source for us the contributors.
if Yahoo had lost favor with its creditibility , then i am quite surprise the Big 6 have not also lost credibility with their contributors after all the rant of how unfair things have been going on for the contributors.

i am not in love with any specific site. i am only here to press on a point that as long as contributors are divided to argue for one site against another, we are simply playing into the cards of the Big 6 for not doing anything to re-instate the importance of their contributors.

we all know how much they keep stressing on the importance of their buyers.
naturally so, their buyers are not arguing amongst themselves and being judas goats on each others
to help water down their interest .

Quote from: Leontura on August 07, 2009, 03:32

Really? Those other memorable but silly names sound as bad to you as "betta than vetta"? Would you prefer "better than microsoft" to "google"? *shrug* you must be seeing something that Im not. Maybe you should change your name to "betta than yuri" before anyone else does.

i think we've taken this rant on whether it is silly or not way past its usefulness in this thread.

so let's, as Adeptris so boldly re-instated, let's direct this discussion on whether Vetta is in fact better than Betta than Vetta.
as i said above, i really don't give a rat's arse whatever name they use. i am more interested in what Cut and any other sites is providing us contributors with a better alternative, to give us a fairer earning opportunity.

m@m · « **Reply #113 on:** August 07, 2009, 08:27 »

Well said Perseus!

lucifer · « **Reply #114 on:** August 07, 2009, 09:41 »

Quote from: m@m on August 07, 2009, 08:27

Well said Perseus!

I second greatly to make vote of confidence. Also to make vote of confidence for m@m to have been making same strong stand on subject .

Bravissimo Monsieur.

m@m · « **Reply #115 on:** August 07, 2009, 14:13 »

I think we've all given our opinion, (pro and against) and then some, on the new Cutcaster venture BTV, and have debated enough on the name choice and what not...NOW, there's only one thing missing here, and that is some words from the person that created and posted the idea to begin with, Mr. Griffin, I believe that after so many people took their time posting their ideas and opinions on this thread, is about time we all hear from you...mind you all, it's not my intention to start arguing with each other again over the matter, but I think that his presence on this thread is now over due...Mr. Griffin I believe it's time for you to speak out about your project, peoples concerns, ideas and opinions.
I think we all deserve that, after all that has been said and done!

borg · « **Reply #116 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:56 »

I think that Mr. Griffin knows what he doing...
Cutcaster is more popular now, and name of the premium collection is only "Betta collection" now.

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #117 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:17 »

Don't forget to remove the Alt tag on the 'Betta than Vetta' banner pic, it still includes the Getty brandname.

Adeptris · « **Reply #118 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:32 »

Quote from: borg on August 08, 2009, 05:56

I think that Mr. Griffin knows what he doing...
Cutcaster is more popular now, and name of the premium collection is only "Betta collection" now.

Good move,
I will check back when the collection is out of 'Beta' and fully released, I wonder will it just be 'The Collection' by then?

'The Betta Collection' sounds a bit upmarket and exclusive, but 'exclusive content' is the sticking point!

David

Lcjtripod · « **Reply #119 on:** August 09, 2009, 14:36 »

No room for new sites for microstock. The big 6 already have it in the bag.

Oh Yeah?

I remember when Railway Express had it in the bag until UPS came on board.

I remember when film could not be replaced until digital came along.

I remember when when Kmart was king, until Wal-Mart came along.

I remember when Polaroid would replace film!

I remember when General Motors was not under Government Motors control.

Things change folks! Do not ever underestimate the new guy. (or gal)

-Larry

Adeptris · « **Reply #120 on:** August 09, 2009, 15:59 »

Quote from: Lcjtripod on August 09, 2009, 14:36

No room for new sites for microstock. The big 6 already have it in the bag.
<...
>...
I remember when Railway Express had it in the bag until UPS came on board.
I remember when film could not be replaced until digital came along.
I remember when when Kmart was king, until Wal-Mart came along.
Things change folks! Do not ever underestimate the new guy. (or gal)
<...
>...
-Larry

Larry, these were where a new model replaced an existing one, by offering cheaper prices to the consumer and by cutting costs including squeezing the suppliers.

So there is a huge difference between another microstock website and a 'brand new model', in the examples above (excluding film v digital) there was a change in an existing service and a looser in each case, by taking the customers from one service and independants to the new service they did not generate new customers, but some of the suppliers of Kmart that surived will be supplying Wal-Mart at lower prices.

When a new microstock website comes onto the market it can only damage and further dilute the existing market if it can attract any quantity of customers from the existing services that is, as the revenue for the existing services dilutes the costs are still growing, and the affected websites will have to cut costs and squeeze the photographers still further to maintain a profit, it is just robbing Peter to pay Paul .

I will welcome any new service model which opens up new revenue streams from new customers, but any service that will dilute the already limited revenue should not be welcomed with open arms, how we turn things around and get the big websites to look at how they treat the suppliers is beyond my skill set.

David

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #121 on:** August 09, 2009, 16:30 »

Quote from: Adeptris on August 09, 2009, 15:59

how we turn things around and get the big websites to look at how they treat the suppliers is beyond my skill set.

Kidnap the CEO's on xmas, subject them to your crazy family (


Merry Christmas, shitter was full

), they will see the error in their ways, everyone lives happily ever after.

Phil · « **Reply #122 on:** August 09, 2009, 18:00 »

we have a fridge magnet "remember as far anyone else knows we are a nice normal family" and another "everyone is normal until you get to know them".

should invite to my place for dinner, I have literaly fallen off my seat laughing so hard during a meal

and most outsiders wouldn't have understood half the jokes

leaf · « **Reply #123 on:** August 11, 2009, 16:07 »

betta than vetta is now just betta

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edit: oh, i just see that John started a thread already about this

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