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« Reply #200 on: February 19, 2014, 11:17 »
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interesting agency as well, how much is DP paying us from those big credit sales?

just noticed DT is there as well, even more expensive, XS for 588 credits

LOL - those are Indian rupees, it's not as expensive as you might think :D

A DT test sale got correctly reported as a credit sale, in the end I got 20% of the sale price at ibudget.

Thank you for bringing this up.

I checked ibudgetphoto and my images were there. I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the details at Dreasmtime - they separate out the choice to enroll in partner sales under a button labeled "Alliances" in the management area (I expect I just ignored that as I thought it was about generating referral income).

I opted out - not because there's anything specific wrong with ibudgetphoto but because I think all these deals are a really bad idea and I'm tired of not knowing who has my images on any given day. I guess I don't trust the agencies much at this point so it's no longer "if the agency thinks the partner is OK, I'm sure they've checked them out thoroughly".

The connection with DT must be live because when I clicked on search results including some of my images (search generated before I opted out) I got a largely blank screen with no image details beyond the number.  I'm guessing in a day the images won't even show up in searches any more. So kudos to DT that opting out was immediate.


« Reply #201 on: February 19, 2014, 11:53 »
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A member of the german based Stock Photography Forum asked Deposit Photos, how he could delete his pictures. The answer is that this is not possible and DP will keep the images for statistical purposes even if the pictures are disabled!
They keep each photo! That means - close your account and your images are without any control! I never thought that this would be possible once!  http://stockfotografie-forum.de/discussion/813/shotshop-loescht-bilder#Item_172
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 11:57 by roede-orm »

« Reply #202 on: February 19, 2014, 11:59 »
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Did he close his account completly? Or just deactivate the file?

For comparison: on istock you can also just deactivate the file. You cannot delete it as long as you have an account.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 12:10 by cobalt »

« Reply #203 on: February 19, 2014, 12:17 »
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I think, if you have no account longer, there is no possability to delete the images too

« Reply #204 on: February 19, 2014, 12:47 »
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Let me be clear on the outrage...  DP has a 'partner' or 'reseller' API like many other sites.  Getty, DT, etc.  People are angry because when their image gets licensed at X site for whatever price, DP is only paying the contributor a subscription sale?

Is there actually anything in the legal somewhere that clarifies what images sold through re distributors is supposed to net?  Like, at Getty, you have no idea what the content is sold for on a partner, but still you only get 20% of what Getty gets, which could be $.10....

« Reply #205 on: February 19, 2014, 13:40 »
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Ech... today I tried to close my account with over $40. I though this is my money and it's obvious I'll get it, but no way:

"As for the withdrawal, you may withdraw payments for the sale of your images once the balance in your account reaches $50 or more. It is technically impossible to withdraw less."

So, technically I just need more sells, which will take some time here.

« Reply #206 on: February 19, 2014, 13:51 »
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Let me be clear on the outrage...  DP has a 'partner' or 'reseller' API like many other sites.  Getty, DT, etc.  People are angry because when their image gets licensed at X site for whatever price, DP is only paying the contributor a subscription sale?

Is there actually anything in the legal somewhere that clarifies what images sold through re distributors is supposed to net?  Like, at Getty, you have no idea what the content is sold for on a partner, but still you only get 20% of what Getty gets, which could be $.10....

I can only offer virtual outrage, but I think it's unethical to offer a partner opt out and then claim the reseller API isn't the same and that's why images were included; I think it's also unethical to tell a new contributor (you) the images would only be on deposit photos own site and then they're elsewhere (and they still are today, BTW); I think it's highly unethical to play silly buggers with how the contributor is compensated for a reseller API sale - if it's sold as an individual item, not as a subscription, then that's how the contributor should be paid

I think that every site should offer an opt out - where no means no - for contributors who do not want to participate in these money-skimming schemes.

« Reply #207 on: February 19, 2014, 14:09 »
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Well, it sounds like most people who are complaining are being opted out.  Is it a case of just screwing up, over malevolence?

« Reply #208 on: February 19, 2014, 14:27 »
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Why are we schmucks instead of wholesalers?  Shouldn't content providers have their sell price and then the agencies can sell at whatever the heck they want.  Why did we ever give them the power to treat us with 0 respect.

And.... I can see a photo that has sold being retained by an agency for future dispute or liability issue, but what right do they have to keep photos that were never sold?

stocked

« Reply #209 on: February 19, 2014, 14:49 »
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only get 20%
20% is bad but it's still twenty times more than you get from Deposit.........

« Reply #210 on: February 19, 2014, 15:21 »
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Well, it sounds like most people who are complaining are being opted out.  Is it a case of just screwing up, over malevolence?

Obviously I don't have any information on how this came about, but when you are so careless and haphazard with your operations that this sort of thing can happen, plus, when it's first noticed, instead of expressing dismay over the screw up and apologizing profusely, you send out weasel worded, cut and paste e-mails, it looks to me as if ethical practices are an afterthought at best. What you do when you're caught and face consequences.

If you set up shop as a stock image agency, you have a number of obligations towards your contributors that you could reasonably be expected to fulfill. As an example, that you didn't leave full size images easily accessible and thus available to download for free; not allowing employees to use the images without paying for them, and so on. Even if you do not act as the contributor's agent (in the legal sense) in these transactions, the disregard for contributor interests is pretty despicable, even if it was thoughtless. At some point, enough thoughtlessness becomes de facto malevolence in my book

« Reply #211 on: February 19, 2014, 15:55 »
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It is probably deliberate thoughtlessness  >:(

lisafx

« Reply #212 on: February 19, 2014, 16:29 »
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Well, it sounds like most people who are complaining are being opted out.  Is it a case of just screwing up, over malevolence?

I am baffled that this legitimate question got (at least) two thumbs down -one of which I have negated.  People should be able th ask for clarification, surely?

Fwiw, this seems like business as usual for a lot of sites now.  We are always having one site or other putting something over on us now, seems like.  I dont expect Sean to know or follw all the ins and outs of such deals, having so recently come from career-long Istock exclusivity.



« Reply #213 on: February 19, 2014, 18:57 »
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They just plain piss me off.
No clear answers to questions asked through e-mail, and even though I am sure they know about this thread and the shitestorm that it has caused with their contributers, no one to show up here and provide explanations, apologies, etc. to their contributers

You suck DP

« Reply #214 on: February 19, 2014, 20:18 »
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DP response that they may take a month to remove my content from their partners resellers etc certainly does not sound either professional or competent or contributor- friendly in any way, to me.

I also asked them to clarify exactly where it reads in the agreement that they can sell my content at the sub rates to their resellers for further re-sale.

Wonder if I will get clear and specific responses instead of the generalised stuff they've been feeding me to now.

« Reply #215 on: February 19, 2014, 20:24 »
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Maybe it is of interest for some: I've written a blog article about the deal in my Blog (in german):
http://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2014/02/17/weniger-als-1-fotografenhonorar-depositphotos-macht-es-moeglich/


Is there an English translation of this article that I can find somewhere?

« Reply #216 on: February 19, 2014, 20:30 »
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I also asked them to clarify exactly where it reads in the agreement that they can sell my content at the sub rates to their resellers for further re-sale.

Wonder if I will get clear and specific responses instead of the generalised stuff they've been feeding me to now.

You wont get an answer to your question like I didn't. They will say the same thing as they did before but just switch the words around to make it sound like a new answer.
I think if they admitted to what was actually happening to our files through their resellers programs, they would incriminate themselves.
They know what is going on, even on this forum, but theres no way in helll they are going to say anything.

I think at the least any self respecting contributer would opt out of all these crappy ripoff schemes if not ditching them completely.

« Reply #217 on: February 19, 2014, 21:50 »
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Here's a website with some interesting facts about Depositphoto.



http://www.crunchbase.com/company/depositphotos

« Reply #218 on: February 19, 2014, 23:37 »
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DPs libraries are updated daily through contributor uploads that are closely scrutinized for quality and originality

Has anyone ever had a rejection at DP?

lisafx

« Reply #219 on: February 19, 2014, 23:38 »
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Here's a website with some interesting facts about Depositphoto.



http://www.crunchbase.com/company/depositphotos


Did I miss something?  This just reads like an ad for Depositphoto.  Was there some relevant information there I overlooked?  (not being sarcastic BTW - curious if something isn't showing in my browser)


Beppe Grillo

« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 02:30 by Beppe Grillo »

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« Reply #222 on: February 20, 2014, 02:33 »
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Maybe it is of interest for some: I've written a blog article about the deal in my Blog (in german):
http://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2014/02/17/weniger-als-1-fotografenhonorar-depositphotos-macht-es-moeglich/


Is there an English translation of this article that I can find somewhere?


No, but you can try using Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de%2F2014%2F02%2F17%2Fweniger-als-1-fotografenhonorar-depositphotos-macht-es-moeglich%2F&sandbox=1

If somebody who is able wants to translate the German article into English (so maybe Tyler can put it up on the MSG blog section), I am more than willing to allow the translation.

« Reply #223 on: February 20, 2014, 02:48 »
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I only just discovered this topic, and read all 9 pages, hoping for 1 reply/explanation/excuse/anything by DP themselves.  Nothing.  Nihil.  Can't believe this.  This topic is more than a week old. 

« Reply #224 on: February 20, 2014, 05:47 »
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Here's a website with some interesting facts about Depositphoto.



http://www.crunchbase.com/company/depositphotos


Did I miss something?  This just reads like an ad for Depositphoto.  Was there some relevant information there I overlooked?  (not being sarcastic BTW - curious if something isn't showing in my browser)


It's Crunchbase, it will always read like an ad. It's a circle-jerking site for startups and their employees... and I say that as the employee of a startup with my own Crunchbase profile, so I know what I am talking about :D


 

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