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« Reply #275 on: February 23, 2014, 04:19 »
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What a difference a year makes. I found this response to Luis on a thread from just a year ago.  I guess Shotshop doesn't have any qualms about displaying "the same images like the subscription stocks" anymore considering their alliance with DP.

... thanks for your interest contributing images at shotshop.com. please let me explain that we are mainly focussed on the german speaking markets with more selected images and even higher prices than the usual microstocks. It doens't make sense for us to display the same images like the subscription stocks. I am sorry and hope for your understanding...

Thanks, you made my day!   ;D
This all situation is just unbelievable...   :-\  >:(


« Reply #276 on: February 23, 2014, 04:37 »
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Either they speak with double tongue or they have changed their business model completely within one year.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 07:03 by roede-orm »

« Reply #277 on: February 23, 2014, 06:52 »
+4
What a difference a year makes. I found this response to Luis on a thread from just a year ago.  I guess Shotshop doesn't have any qualms about displaying "the same images like the subscription stocks" anymore considering their alliance with DP.

Hi Luis Santos,

thanks for your interest contributing images at shotshop.com. please let me explain that we are mainly focussed on the german speaking markets with more selected images and even higher prices than the usual microstocks. It doens't make sense for us to display the same images like the subscription stocks. I am sorry and hope for your understanding.

good luck and
best regards
Stephan Krmer


http://www.microstockgroup.com/new-sites-general/shotshop-anyone/msg290020/#msg290020


nice find! how ridiculous is this?

« Reply #278 on: February 23, 2014, 07:31 »
+7
Lol, this is so much worse than iStock, in my opinion.

I would be really surprised if a mass exodus doesn't start happening soon. We just need to spread the word.

« Reply #279 on: February 23, 2014, 08:14 »
+1
What a difference a year makes. I found this response to Luis on a thread from just a year ago.  I guess Shotshop doesn't have any qualms about displaying "the same images like the subscription stocks" anymore considering their alliance with DP.

Hi Luis Santos,

thanks for your interest contributing images at shotshop.com. please let me explain that we are mainly focussed on the german speaking markets with more selected images and even higher prices than the usual microstocks. It doens't make sense for us to display the same images like the subscription stocks. I am sorry and hope for your understanding.

good luck and
best regards
Stephan Krmer


http://www.microstockgroup.com/new-sites-general/shotshop-anyone/msg290020/#msg290020


So Shotshop are scum bag liars too.  Guess it takes one to know one.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #280 on: February 23, 2014, 08:42 »
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What could be the reason for customers to buy from Shotshop, when they can buy them cheaper via DP (credits or subs) ? Is DP not accessible to German markets ?
Maybe (I have no idea) Shotshop has better SEO, therefore a customer might find them there and have no idea they are available via DP (and often via other low-cost sites also). I have no idea how many customers would do a GIS to see if an image is available cheaper elsewhere.

« Reply #281 on: February 23, 2014, 08:47 »
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shotshop advertises that their editors hand pick the files and only select the best work. The German contributors all report a large number of rejections,usually as "not suitable for sale on shotshop".

So now they find masses of files from deposit that are obviously not handpicked including files that were rejected before.

I guess shotshop just found a simple way to avoid paying photographers fairly and also no longer bothers to hand pick the best files for their customers.

At the same time they dont offer subs and will pay lower royalties to artists who also sell via sub sites.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 09:00 by cobalt »

« Reply #282 on: February 23, 2014, 10:41 »
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shotshop advertises that their editors hand pick the files and only select the best work. The German contributors all report a large number of rejections,usually as "not suitable for sale on shotshop".

So now they find masses of files from deposit that are obviously not handpicked including files that were rejected before.

I guess shotshop just found a simple way to avoid paying photographers fairly and also no longer bothers to hand pick the best files for their customers.

At the same time they dont offer subs and will pay lower royalties to artists who also sell via sub sites.

I think you've pegged a big part of it, Jasmine.  Roed-orm has done an excellent job of exposing what amounts to "probably" only a fraction of the shenanigans that are likely occurring across more than one MS site. The more I am finding out the more likely I will just close my account at DP.  Rather, deactivate my images so that I can maintain access to my account to test/check to make sure my images are not on their partner sites. I made about $1200 last year with DP and I wonder what I would have made if Shotshop (and all their partners/resellers) paid decent royalties.       

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #283 on: February 23, 2014, 10:44 »
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... and also no longer bothers to hand pick the best files for their customers.
And guess where they learned that trick from?  >:(
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 14:49 by ShadySue »

« Reply #284 on: February 23, 2014, 11:51 »
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I've been browsing the Shotshop website ...
If you click on a people-image, it says "Releases :  none" (while I happen to know that mine are ALL released).
So they "hire" all DP images without the releases (for some reason, I find that reassuring  ???)

They also give "quality guarantee" :

"Shotshop is big in benefits (services) and small in prices. This is how our Money-back Guarantee works:
You might have used budget stock photography before and know the problem: a budget price comes with budget quality. Images are out of focus or pixelated, dirty and dusty, suffer from strong image noise, clumsy masking or bad retouching... the list of possible deficiencies is long and very annoying.
Shotshop's Money-back Guarantee proves that our quality is reliable:
If you are not satisfied with the image quality or find severe deficiencies in one of our images, we will refund your money immediately.
Shotshop.com has always been a pioneer in terms of quality and has focused on quality rather than quantity from the very beginning. Every single image is checked by our own image editors. We employ very strict technical and thematic standards and only images that meet these high Shotshop quality standards go into our portfolio. Although we have our editorial staff work a lot more than many other stock agency, we are convinced that it's worth it.
We can guarantee you a portfolio of well sorted, high quality images!"

This made me smile :  what if I made a list of my 10 crappiest, out of focus, noisiest photos on DP, and listed them here on MSG, so people with some free time could buy them, and ask their money back  ;D   Childish?  yeah, I know, but fun!

« Reply #285 on: February 23, 2014, 12:05 »
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What could be the reason for customers to buy from Shotshop, when they can buy them cheaper via DP (credits or subs) ? Is DP not accessible to German markets ?
Maybe (I have no idea) Shotshop has better SEO, therefore a customer might find them there and have no idea they are available via DP (and often via other low-cost sites also). I have no idea how many customers would do a GIS to see if an image is available cheaper elsewhere.
Sue - What you say is definitely a good possibility !

« Reply #286 on: February 23, 2014, 15:16 »
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This made me smile :  what if I made a list of my 10 crappiest, out of focus, noisiest photos on DP, and listed them here on MSG, so people with some free time could buy them, and ask their money back  ;D   Childish?  yeah, I know, but fun!

Fun, but given the company in question, risky.

Given their track record of being - how to put it politely - economical with the truth, who's to say that the money back guarantee is any more solid than the hand picked curated collection of high quality noise free images? :)

« Reply #287 on: February 23, 2014, 15:25 »
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This made me smile :  what if I made a list of my 10 crappiest, out of focus, noisiest photos on DP, and listed them here on MSG, so people with some free time could buy them, and ask their money back  ;D   Childish?  yeah, I know, but fun!

Fun, but given the company in question, risky.
Given their track record of being - how to put it politely - economical with the truth, who's to say that the money back guarantee is any more solid than the hand picked curated collection of high quality noise free images? :)

True!  Very risky!   ;D

« Reply #288 on: February 23, 2014, 20:21 »
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I would be really surprised if a mass exodus doesn't start happening soon. We just need to spread the word.

Well, I've certainly started to do that as far as my DP portfolio is concerned.  Ever since the excellent investigative report appeared in the 'Alltag eines Fotoproduzenten' (many thanks to the guys who did that, made test purchases, and uncovered the issue), I've tried number of times but failed to get any clear professional response from DP - beyond platitudes and general cut-and-paste type email replies that don't clarify anything to my understanding! 

So I've deactivated about 25% of my port already and more will go in coming days.  Obviously am not uploading any new content.

Like some others, have been asking them to remove my files from all their partner, reseller, API etc deals but got told that this will take about a month!!!  Am waiting  >:(

On a related note, it's really surprising that no one from senior management within DP has started to engage - for instance on this forum - to address contributor concerns in any genuine way.  All the responses I got were from someone called Vicky and Stacey (no last name - no business title) which were the cut-and-paste kind.  And as this matter is slipping more and more, deactivations are probably increasing, and its appearing on social media - the article itself, Facebook, Twitter etc. - all of which is only likely to increase deactivations, and undermine future uploads, if contributor's trust will keep falling in this company.  And if it really goes viral on social media, it can affect contributors, buyers, anyone that has dealing with them.  But maybe they don't care about that either!?!

« Reply #289 on: February 23, 2014, 21:08 »
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Can you please lead us to the report you mention so we can translate and read!  Thank you!


« Reply #291 on: February 23, 2014, 23:07 »
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I'm relatively new with DP, only had 210 images with them and they owe me $23.
At first I did the e-mail Vicky thing and requested my images be removed from partner and API programs, specifically Shotshop.
Well after reading all of this I decided they are not worthy of supporting in any way and just deactivated all but 1 image. If I can't get the $23 I'll chalk it up to a learning experience.

I just hope every contributor sees what needs to be done and deactivate their images ASAP.
Just watch though, maybe they'll change their TOS and make you wait 6 months...

« Reply #292 on: February 24, 2014, 02:16 »
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Well after reading all of this I decided they are not worthy of supporting in any way


I wonder if anybody ever notice how you are loosing control over your images (your work)?

Where's the limit?

http://depositphotos.com/license.html
http://depositphotos.com/license-comparison.html

Welcome to the world of microstock... and enjoy your 0,27 or 0,30 $  ::)
or
Deposit Photos Extended Licence $2.64!

and here.


Microstock is great, first sales are great, until you realize there's something wrong with your business...
« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 02:29 by Ariene »

« Reply #293 on: February 24, 2014, 02:28 »
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Well, I've certainly started to do that as far as my DP portfolio is concerned.  Ever since the excellent investigative report appeared in the 'Alltag eines Fotoproduzenten' (many thanks to the guys who did that, made test purchases, and uncovered the issue), I've tried number of times but failed to get any clear professional response from DP - beyond platitudes and general cut-and-paste type email replies that don't clarify anything to my understanding! 

Yes, Robert (Fotorob) did a great job! Wondering, what about Shotshop? Most contributors are focused on DepositPhotos, but even what ShotShop do is absolutly dubios. In the German based Stockfotografieforum people are discussing the possability of a quality seal for agencies. Maybe this could be a way to fight back.

« Reply #294 on: February 24, 2014, 05:05 »
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Well after reading all of this I decided they are not worthy of supporting in any way


I wonder if anybody ever notice how you are loosing control over your images (your work)?

Where's the limit?

http://depositphotos.com/license.html
http://depositphotos.com/license-comparison.html

Welcome to the world of microstock... and enjoy your 0,27 or 0,30 $  ::)
or
Deposit Photos Extended Licence $2.64!

and here.


Microstock is great, first sales are great, until you realize there's something wrong with your business...


100% agree.
Your comment is not just for one +

stocked

« Reply #295 on: February 24, 2014, 06:33 »
0
Well after reading all of this I decided they are not worthy of supporting in any way


I wonder if anybody ever notice how you are loosing control over your images (your work)?

Where's the limit?

http://depositphotos.com/license.html
http://depositphotos.com/license-comparison.html

Welcome to the world of microstock... and enjoy your 0,27 or 0,30 $  ::)
or
Deposit Photos Extended Licence $2.64!

and here.
++++++++++++++++


Microstock is great, first sales are great, until you realize there's something wrong with your business...


100% agree.
Your comment is not just for one +

« Reply #296 on: February 24, 2014, 07:00 »
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With all due (dis)respect for DP, I think that the shotshop guys are in fault to the same extent! They were perfectly aware what was going on, plus they took advantage of this sick situation by pretending to be a selective top-notch agency at the same time receiving content from DP which was waaaay cheaper for them to pay royalties to photographers.
They deserve to be pushed in the black abyss of the microstock world and never be let in again.


vilainecrevette

« Reply #297 on: February 24, 2014, 08:40 »
+4
After having disabled all my images with them I still try to delete definitively my account.
Last response from them:
"Hello xxxx,
Could you specify the reason for deleting an account, please?
Kind regards,"
The response was short and easy.




« Reply #298 on: February 24, 2014, 08:42 »
+4
With all due (dis)respect for DP, I think that the shotshop guys are in fault to the same extent! They were perfectly aware what was going on, plus they took advantage of this sick situation by pretending to be a selective top-notch agency at the same time receiving content from DP which was waaaay cheaper for them to pay royalties to photographers.
They deserve to be pushed in the black abyss of the microstock world and never be let in again.

Totally agree.  They know the front to end of where their money is going and know Dam&*n well we are only getting sub commissions and them, well, a hell of a lot of money in comparison, yet they roll on, trying to blame everyone but themselves.  Despicable.

« Reply #299 on: February 24, 2014, 09:13 »
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After having disabled all my images with them I still try to delete definitively my account.
Last response from them:
"Hello xxxx,
Could you specify the reason for deleting an account, please?
Kind regards,"
The response was short and easy.

Link to this topic? ;)


 

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