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« Reply #350 on: June 02, 2014, 17:49 »
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My two cents about time frame of the experiment. I have been in contact with a Dreamstime Support. According to my contact, the experiment will take "a few weeks time". And than they need to analyze the data. I expect it to be more like couple of months. With the agency probably not telling us the testing period is over, I bet.

Anybody knows approximate proportion of revenues on Dreams itself and via its' Partners? Just bracing for an extra loss here after opting out...


« Reply #351 on: June 03, 2014, 03:51 »
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Does anyone know, is it safe to turn the Alliances back on now, if I do not want to participate in the testing program?

ethan

« Reply #352 on: June 03, 2014, 05:36 »
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Does anyone know, is it safe to turn the Alliances back on now, if I do not want to participate in the testing program?

LOL I was thinking the exact same thing :)

I suspect if you do, any previously identified images selected from your portfolio prior to turning off the partnership option, will be automatically included in the Beta Test.

I also suspect, DT is going to be very reticent in coming forward with an answer as it most likely is from people like us that aren't prepared to help them by giving away our images for free in the first place :)

« Reply #353 on: June 03, 2014, 05:51 »
+10
If I can help Dreamstime with a few of my pictures to test out a new source of revenues I have no problem with that. At least they informed me about it and it only involves a small quantity of my pictures.
Remember Getty stole all your pictures to give them away for free without hope of ever receiving a dime and they even didn't inform you about it.

Ron

« Reply #354 on: June 03, 2014, 06:21 »
+9
Let me know how much you all made from this test. Cant wait to find out.

« Reply #355 on: June 03, 2014, 07:09 »
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I'm glad to see my BS detector has been properly calibrated after a few years in this industry.  As soon as I see any message from an agency praising my work, I reach for the opt out lever.

The latest email I got was from Deposit Photos asking me to upload more. 

« Reply #356 on: June 03, 2014, 07:13 »
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I'm glad to see my BS detector has been properly calibrated after a few years in this industry.  As soon as I see any message from an agency praising my work, I reach for the opt out lever.

The latest email I got was from Deposit Photos asking me to upload more.

So they are really reaching out to contributors for more content? What a big set of brass balls swinging to and fro.

« Reply #357 on: June 03, 2014, 10:40 »
+5
DT is not like FTL or IS. On DT my income is not down to 1/4 of 2009. For me it tells they know what they are doing. Everyone knows that internet businesses need constant innovation. If they want to test waters and they want my support for a few month then why not. I trust them. I may lose some dollars now but I way win more later. I don't understand why are everyone so upset. Yes, I would not support the 'innovative' ideas of FTL or IS - anymore -  but DT or SS still has my support.

« Reply #358 on: June 03, 2014, 11:12 »
+17
I like DT too but for me it's about the word "FREE". This is a slow grind to contributors eventually earning nothing for their hard work. I intend to be selling my images 20 years from now. This is just a very small step towards making "FREE" acceptable. If you accept this one then the next one will be just slightly worse and the argument will be "It's not much different than the DT trial and we were OK with that so what's the difference." 3-5 years down the road the line has gotten so muddy that "FREE" is fairly normal.

I have kids in school and we teach our boys that Bullying isn't Ok... ever! Not "well he just punched him in the arm but it really didn't hurt.. so thats OK, but if he had hit a little bit harder it's not OK." Bullying is bullying regardless of the degree and should not be tolerated.

Free is free regardless of the degree and should not be tolerated!

« Reply #359 on: June 03, 2014, 11:29 »
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Free is not always necessarily free. Many deals contain a free period... etc. We do not know the details yet. Let them work this thing out and then you can still opt out.

DT is a company they want to earn money - in the long run they will not give our photos for 'free'. And when they earn money they pay royalty - this is the base of our agreement. If it turns out that they don't I'll quit. But we are talking about a test period here. I am sure they aren't testing a business model where they give everything for free and earn nothing.

ethan

« Reply #360 on: June 03, 2014, 11:33 »
+1
I like DT too but for me it's about the word "FREE". This is a slow grind to contributors eventually earning nothing for their hard work. I intend to be selling my images 20 years from now. This is just a very small step towards making "FREE" acceptable. If you accept this one then the next one will be just slightly worse and the argument will be "It's not much different than the DT trial and we were OK with that so what's the difference." 3-5 years down the road the line has gotten so muddy that "FREE" is fairly normal.

I have kids in school and we teach our boys that Bullying isn't Ok... ever! Not "well he just punched him in the arm but it really didn't hurt.. so thats OK, but if he had hit a little bit harder it's not OK." Bullying is bullying regardless of the degree and should not be tolerated.

Free is free regardless of the degree and should not be tolerated!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

Some common sense spoken :)




« Reply #361 on: June 03, 2014, 11:37 »
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No... Free is always Free! Once they pay me then it is no longer free. However, there is no indication that I would ever get paid. "Maybe" doesn't change the fact that they are giving away my images without compensation to me with terms that I am not privy too. If I knew the terms then I could determine whether this is an investment or not. I am Ok with investing my images when I know the risks and possible rewards, I am not Ok with blind faith in a company because "They are less bad then their competition".

If you were to compare DT's reputation to Clipartof, Toonvectors, Symbiostock, and even GLStock they don't look so good anymore. Just sayin'.

« Reply #362 on: June 03, 2014, 11:41 »
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Free is not always necessarily free. Many deals contain a free period... etc. We do not know the details yet. Let them work this thing out and then you can still opt out.

DT is a company they want to earn money - in the long run they will not give our photos for 'free'. And when they earn money they pay royalty - this is the base of our agreement. If it turns out that they don't I'll quit. But we are talking about a test period here. I am sure they aren't testing a business model where they give everything for free and earn nothing.

I prefer: Let them work this thing out and then we can still opt in!  ;)

« Reply #363 on: June 03, 2014, 15:36 »
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Yes free is free.   If DT is using your images that you sell else where to sweeten the pot over the competition, then you are complicit in your own destruction.

Who ever the deal is with, they could have made the same deal with any other agency.  Its all comes down to which agency is going to cut the lowest deal.

Believe me, this deal does not hinge on the 20 images of mine they selected.   
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 15:40 by DF_Studios »

ethan

« Reply #364 on: June 03, 2014, 19:22 »
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Yes free is free.   If DT is using your images that you sell else where to sweeten the pot over the competition, then you are complicit in your own destruction.

Who ever the deal is with, they could have made the same deal with any other agency.  Its all comes down to which agency is going to cut the lowest deal.

Believe me, this deal does not hinge on the 20 images of mine they selected.

I think it also shows the inept manner in which DT have negotiated the deal, to give away our intellectual property away for free.
Maybe they're just not very good business people.

« Reply #365 on: June 12, 2014, 05:10 »
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I had a look at my statistics after 10 days out of 30 in June. The June money is 30% from the last month earnings. Ha!.. So much ado about Partner Program. I had switched it off. And do not feel the impact. Yea, that is one hell of a Partner Program they have at the moment!..

« Reply #366 on: June 12, 2014, 08:25 »
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I am on track to make 50% less on dt this month but I doubt it's related to their new scheme. Too early for that. I think I am seeing the summer slow down begin. In fact to be fair all sites are significantly down for me compared to previous months.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #367 on: August 16, 2014, 04:16 »
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Toc toc!

Bump

Have we news of this "experiment"??

cuppacoffee

« Reply #368 on: August 16, 2014, 07:41 »
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8/11/14 - "...the test is still not yet live. Our partners have been delayed and we're expecting to have more news (and perhaps go live) this fall. We will make an update when one is available. Thanks for your patience! "

8/12/2014 "...I hope the fact that the test batch is not live yet is reassuring and shows that our partners take the required time to do this properly. Also, it limits the time interval the test images are to be live (for the initial beta), taking us closer to the commercial launch."

from Serban/Achilles

« Reply #369 on: August 16, 2014, 08:27 »
0
I didn't get this email ... don't know why !  But am I automatically opted in to this ? Hope not !

cuppacoffee

« Reply #370 on: August 16, 2014, 09:04 »
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The email was not sent to everyone so you probably are not included. If you need clarification you will have to ask someone there in Support.

« Reply #371 on: August 16, 2014, 09:11 »
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I didn't get this email ... don't know why !  But am I automatically opted in to this ? Hope not !

I didn't get the email either but I'm pretty sure that was because I had chosen to opt-out of 'Alliances and Partnerships'. It seems to me that these things always turn out to be bad for contributors.

Go to 'Management Area' and then click on the Alliances button (towards the bottom R/H corner) to see if you are opted-in or out.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #372 on: August 16, 2014, 09:21 »
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8/11/14 - "...the test is still not yet live. Our partners have been delayed and we're expecting to have more news (and perhaps go live) this fall. We will make an update when one is available. Thanks for your patience! "

8/12/2014 "...I hope the fact that the test batch is not live yet is reassuring and shows that our partners take the required time to do this properly. Also, it limits the time interval the test images are to be live (for the initial beta), taking us closer to the commercial launch."

from Serban/Achilles

Thank you cuppacoffee.
I did not received the email too, albeit I am opted-in.


 

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