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« on: May 19, 2012, 03:49 »
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Hi everybody!
I'm having problems on having photos accepted because:

"Please ensure that you don not use different MR documents for the same model. If you uploaded more than one MR document for the same model, please email a list to support with the IDs and names of the releases you wish to keep and the IDs and names of the releases that should be removed".

I've never heard of this until now, so I contacted the support and they answered me that "we don't accept more than one model release per model, unless the model changes age category group" and "we kindly ask you to email a list to support with the ID's and names of the releases you wish to keep and the ID's and names of the releases that should be removed and than resubmit your files".

I'm very confused! I thought that every shooting session needs a different MR, even if the model is the same. If I've understood what they want I have to upload a new MR for each new shooting session and after the approval I have to remove all the old MR of that model, kepping just the last one.
Am I right? I'm going nut with this thing!  ???


« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2012, 04:11 »
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You need to get an MR from each session for your own records .  At DT they link all the photos of a certain model  so need them to be all attatched to the same release.   Just upload one release, any release you have for the model and link all photos to that release.  In the case of children, when they change age catagory you need to upload a new release and lnk any further photos to that release.
It's not nearly as complicated as you think and a lot easier than uploading a new release each time.
Basically it is the same as at most other sites except IS and Veer and possibly others that I don't upload to.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2012, 04:14 by fotografer »

« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2012, 04:12 »
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Thats DT, isnt it.
IS has the opposite politics.

So just give them what they want.

« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2012, 05:16 »
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You need to get an MR from each session for your own records .  At DT they link all the photos of a certain model  so need them to be all attatched to the same release.   Just upload one release, any release you have for the model and link all photos to that release.  In the case of children, when they change age catagory you need to upload a new release and lnk any further photos to that release.
It's not nearly as complicated as you think and a lot easier than uploading a new release each time.
Basically it is the same as at most other sites except IS and Veer and possibly others that I don't upload to.

So DT doesn't care if a MR is related to another shooting session? Can I attach a release uploaded one year ago to new files with the same model?
Which other agencies work this way? IS asks for a "Shoot description" field in the MR.

« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2012, 06:17 »
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You need to get an MR from each session for your own records .  At DT they link all the photos of a certain model  so need them to be all attatched to the same release.   Just upload one release, any release you have for the model and link all photos to that release.  In the case of children, when they change age catagory you need to upload a new release and lnk any further photos to that release.
It's not nearly as complicated as you think and a lot easier than uploading a new release each time.
Basically it is the same as at most other sites except IS and Veer and possibly others that I don't upload to.

So DT doesn't care if a MR is related to another shooting session? Can I attach a release uploaded one year ago to new files with the same model?
Which other agencies work this way? IS asks for a "Shoot description" field in the MR.

Not only do they not care, but they require it.  Dreamstime wants one release per model period, even if it is years apart.  I believe they make exceptions for child models where their looks will change over a number of years but for adults, one release is the way they want it.  sigh ...

Istock is on the other side, where they want one release per shoot, always.  This is what I have in my workflow and this is what I submit to all the other agencies as well.  This is also what I feel makes sense.  A model is giving you permissions to use their photo from that PARTICULAR shoot, not for all shoots in the future forever... so a different release should be submitted for each shoot.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2012, 06:19 by leaf »

« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2012, 08:30 »
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You need to get an MR from each session for your own records .  At DT they link all the photos of a certain model  so need them to be all attatched to the same release.   Just upload one release, any release you have for the model and link all photos to that release.  In the case of children, when they change age catagory you need to upload a new release and lnk any further photos to that release.
It's not nearly as complicated as you think and a lot easier than uploading a new release each time.
Basically it is the same as at most other sites except IS and Veer and possibly others that I don't upload to.

So DT doesn't care if a MR is related to another shooting session? Can I attach a release uploaded one year ago to new files with the same model?
Which other agencies work this way? IS asks for a "Shoot description" field in the MR.
I rarely upload a new release to SS, Fotolia, Canstock, Deposit, 123rf, and others.   That doesn't mean that I don't have a new one for each shoot.  You need to do that to cover yourself.

« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2012, 08:39 »
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You need to get an MR from each session for your own records .  At DT they link all the photos of a certain model  so need them to be all attatched to the same release.   Just upload one release, any release you have for the model and link all photos to that release.  In the case of children, when they change age catagory you need to upload a new release and lnk any further photos to that release.
It's not nearly as complicated as you think and a lot easier than uploading a new release each time.
Basically it is the same as at most other sites except IS and Veer and possibly others that I don't upload to.

So DT doesn't care if a MR is related to another shooting session? Can I attach a release uploaded one year ago to new files with the same model?
Which other agencies work this way? IS asks for a "Shoot description" field in the MR.

Not only do they not care, but they require it.  Dreamstime wants one release per model period, even if it is years apart.  I believe they make exceptions for child models where their looks will change over a number of years but for adults, one release is the way they want it.  sigh ...

Istock is on the other side, where they want one release per shoot, always.  This is what I have in my workflow and this is what I submit to all the other agencies as well.  This is also what I feel makes sense.  A model is giving you permissions to use their photo from that PARTICULAR shoot, not for all shoots in the future forever... so a different release should be submitted for each shoot.

I totally agree with you! That's the reason why I really didn't understand what DT was talking about on that rejection.
Anyway we're compelled to do as they want, but at least we now we're acting right with our models.

« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 06:06 »
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One more question: should I remove  (and re-upload) also all the old photos with the removed MR? That would be a lot of work and those photos would go to a lower level.
For now I've asked the support to just replace all MRs the the oldest one.

« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 15:17 »
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Not only do they not care, but they require it.  Dreamstime wants one release per model period, even if it is years apart.  I believe they make exceptions for child models where their looks will change over a number of years but for adults, one release is the way they want it.  sigh ...

While I generally roll my eyes at some of the oddities of the IS review process, in this case I think IS has it right and DT is wrong. I can think of a number of situations that associating one particular image with model releases from different shoot would get you in trouble. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just having trouble believing that DT would want to open them up for those kinds of problems down the road.

« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 15:25 »
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I think DT made a foolish short term decision to work around issues with writing more code to support the features they wanted to implement. What they needed to do was have an identifier (on their site) for a model and then allow as many releases for that model as the photographer wishes to submit. For a self-portrait or a family member, one for all time might be fine and for models, one per shoot would be appropriate.

I think they thought they'd make life simpler by having the one release per model setup, but like most kludges, the flaws just get more obvious as time passes.

« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 15:36 »
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Not only do they not care, but they require it.  Dreamstime wants one release per model period, even if it is years apart.  I believe they make exceptions for child models where their looks will change over a number of years but for adults, one release is the way they want it.  sigh ...

While I generally roll my eyes at some of the oddities of the IS review process, in this case I think IS has it right and DT is wrong. I can think of a number of situations that associating one particular image with model releases from different shoot would get you in trouble. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just having trouble believing that DT would want to open them up for those kinds of problems down the road.

In order for things to stand up in case of a court challenge, Dt is wrong.

« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 09:31 »
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What Dt are willing to accept is besides the point really.  It is up to us to make sure that we have a valid release for each session.   If there is a problem it will be us that are asked to provide it not DT.

« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 09:49 »
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What Dt are willing to accept is besides the point really.  It is up to us to make sure that we have a valid release for each session.   If there is a problem it will be us that are asked to provide it not DT.

Exactly.  DT want's to keep things simple for themselves and for us.  They insist on one (and only one) release for a model to prove that we have one and that it has all the necessary data.  They're not the ones at greatest risk if a model decides to sue; the photographer is.  We're the ones to whom the model licensed his or her image.  So we get a release for every shoot. 

I'd point out that Zoonar is even more extreme in this regard than DT.  They don't want to see our releases; we just have to indicate that we have one.  Given the fact that my releases have been seen and passed by a dozen other agencies, I have no problem with Zoonar taking me at my word.  And that applies to DT and all the other agencies that believe that I have releases for all my shoots, even when they don't demand copies.


 

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