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« on: March 18, 2007, 20:08 »
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Waiting for approval list is still up at 35,000.  My own uploads have continued as before, but the waiting time for approval seems to have lengthened considerably.  I've got 28 in the list, the largest number ever, even though I am uploading at the same rate.

It's all very well attracting such huge numbers of images.  But can they get the customers?

A quick look at the 'most popular' list shows downloads of the biggest sellers at very small levels.


« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 10:04 »
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My sales at DT are almost identical with IS at the moment, which means they share the number two spot. Whether the review time is two weeks or two days isn't important to me, as long as the photos are approved, and most of them are.

« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 13:34 »
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I'll second what epixx said......

All of a sudden Dreamstime has really taken off....I am getting quite a few .25 downloads, but I also get lots of $1.50 and 2.00 so for now I'm not complaining. I really don't understand why they took off all of a sudden though??? they raised their prices and we start getting more sales??? doesn't make sense.

Ya.. they do take awhile to approve photos, but if you put photos in daily (or regularly) then you will get photos approved regularly....even though they are 1 week old. 

Overall right now I'm really impressed with Dreamstime and it is very very close to making as much as IS right now...but I have 3 times as many photos on Dreamstime as IS...so not really a fair comparison....I just wish I could load more than 25 a week as IS....what a sloooooow process getting photos on there.

The one thing I don't like about the new subscricption model at DT is that with a subscription they can download any photo...level one, two, three, four, or five.  So why doesn't a person  just buy the subcription and download the higher level (priced) photos. It should cost them more for level 2-5 photos....say .50 for level two, .75 for level three...ect... at least you would get some compensation for your good photos....

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 11:38 »
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i stumbled upon this topic by hatman, which except for the numbers seems like history is repeating itself, with the situation of lots of new images, no views.
thought i resurrect the topic instead of starting a new one.

btw, where IS hatman? he used to be such a regular . are you using a new alias like everybody else. you had many good comments. wish you're still with us.
a new alias is good, it's like a new hat ! (no pun intended).

back to topic, awash with images... so, where is the customers, better... where are the views? search engine trouble?

« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 11:47 »
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DT is a total mystery to me these days. It used to be a close second to IS. It now falls behind even 123rf. At this moment, my IS sales are 6 times more than that of DT with the portfolios of very similar size.

I wonder if FT is taking away its buyers.

« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 11:53 »
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Hatman went exclusive with IS a year or more ago.   Since then a lot of stuff around here may not seem as relevant to him.

Although of course there are istock exclusives who are active here, so who knows.

As for DT, my sales and views keep rocking along there.  In June I had a record month on DT.  Not sure why - maybe because I have a good mix of old an new files? 

« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 12:06 »
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I also upload on a very regular basis, but only my old files get sold. Most sales are subscription or small sizes for less than $1.

 ::)

Hatman went exclusive with IS a year or more ago.   Since then a lot of stuff around here may not seem as relevant to him.

Although of course there are istock exclusives who are active here, so who knows.

As for DT, my sales and views keep rocking along there.  In June I had a record month on DT.  Not sure why - maybe because I have a good mix of old an new files? 

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 14:49 »
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I wonder if FT is taking away its buyers.

Freedom, why only  FT? i find it odd because DT sales are more US, whilst FT buyers are obviously EU.  So i would expect IS, or SS to take away from DT, but not FT.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2009, 14:51 by puravida »

« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2009, 15:02 »
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I am still pleased with DT sales.  They might not be as good as istock but they are consistent and they don't go down much if I stop uploading for a while.  hatman is doing well with istock but I am sure he would of done well as a non-exclusive as well.

« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 15:34 »
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June was a very good month for me, but now the sales have taken a break again. But what worries me more is my AR, which is going down the drain. Are your ARs the same as ever, or is Attila doing a summer job on DT?

« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2009, 15:46 »
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June was a very good month for me, but now the sales have taken a break again. But what worries me more is my AR, which is going down the drain. Are your ARs the same as ever, or is Attila doing a summer job on DT?

Atilla ? arghhhh !
I stopped uploading new works to DT since that time when everyone was complaining about no views with their new approvals. I also disabled the most recent ones out of frustration.
Are you getting slammed dunked on your AR that much to notice a diff?
If Atilla is there, I think I'll pass, and leave DT out of my list until november. I don't want to start cussing and swearing again. I stopped going to confession, ha!ha!

« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2009, 15:50 »
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June was a very good month for me, but now the sales have taken a break again.
Same here, with a disturbing amount of subs in July.

« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2009, 17:52 »
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... with a disturbing amount of subs in July.

Wonder if some of the photos/jiu buyers have gotten wind that most of the images on those sites are going to vanish soon and have switched their sub accounts to DT? 

I don't like subs anywhere, but I would sure rather see them go to DT than to Getty, especially after they slashed commissions.

« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2009, 20:07 »
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Why do I suspect FT? Because DT used to sell more than FT, and now it's the reverse. I am not sure if FT is cheaper as far as the prices are concerned.

Why not IS? IS has higher prices. Some buyers told me (including someone on this forum), they would look for similar images and buy from DT because the prices were lower.

Why not SS? Because many contributors are complaining that SS sales are not as strong as it used to be.

Don't know if they are true, just me thinking.

I wonder if FT is taking away its buyers.

Freedom, why only  FT? i find it odd because DT sales are more US, whilst FT buyers are obviously EU.  So i would expect IS, or SS to take away from DT, but not FT.

« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2009, 00:30 »
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DT has been by far my fastest rising site this year.  it was way way down in 4th position but now beats SS and is quickly gaining on FT and IS.

« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2009, 12:18 »
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DT has been by far my fastest rising site this year.  it was way way down in 4th position but now beats SS and is quickly gaining on FT and IS.

JMHO, but DT seems to me the logical choice for disaffected istock buyers.  Their site is similarly organized, comparably high acceptance standards, reliable search engine, good customer service.  DT seems to have a similar vibe and comparable prices and features to what istock used to have. 

Out of all the sites I think Dreamstime would feel the most familiar and comfortable to long time istock buyers who feel they have been priced out of purchasing there. 

At least this is what I have heard from a couple of buyers.  Not sure how many they represent?

« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2009, 13:12 »
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Exactly the the most important difference to me is that I get 50% instead of 20%. 
 :)
DT has been by far my fastest rising site this year.  it was way way down in 4th position but now beats SS and is quickly gaining on FT and IS.

JMHO, but DT seems to me the logical choice for disaffected istock buyers.  Their site is similarly organized, comparably high acceptance standards, reliable search engine, good customer service.  DT seems to have a similar vibe and comparable prices and features to what istock used to have. 

Out of all the sites I think Dreamstime would feel the most familiar and comfortable to long time istock buyers who feel they have been priced out of purchasing there. 

At least this is what I have heard from a couple of buyers.  Not sure how many they represent?

« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 13:48 »
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As much as I agree 20% at IS is very low for us, at least I have rarely, if ever, had any sub sales for less than 50 cents, most are $1-$6, even at 20%. Most of my sales are not subs. I have far more DLs and earn many times more at IS than DT.

Besides, if there is a customer refund, I simply get an email from IS, saying "sorry, our mistake, don't worry about it." No deduction from my earned sum.

If I disagree with the inspection, at least I can send a Scout ticket to IS, either the Scout agrees with me or not, at least I always hear back. Most of the time, the Scout is very fair and open-minded.

Perhaps these are a few things that DT can think about.

Exactly the the most important difference to me is that I get 50% instead of 20%. 
 :)
DT has been by far my fastest rising site this year.  it was way way down in 4th position but now beats SS and is quickly gaining on FT and IS.

JMHO, but DT seems to me the logical choice for disaffected istock buyers.  Their site is similarly organized, comparably high acceptance standards, reliable search engine, good customer service.  DT seems to have a similar vibe and comparable prices and features to what istock used to have. 

Out of all the sites I think Dreamstime would feel the most familiar and comfortable to long time istock buyers who feel they have been priced out of purchasing there. 

At least this is what I have heard from a couple of buyers.  Not sure how many they represent?

« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2009, 14:50 »
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Besides, if there is a customer refund, I simply get an email from IS, saying "sorry, our mistake, don't worry about it." No deduction from my earned sum.


^^Seriously?!!  This is a new one on me.  

I get notices practically every week from Istock that they have refunded a customer and taken back my commission.  

ETA:  The point I was making above is that DT is a natural choice for BUYERS who are looking for a cheaper alternative to istock.  Although of course the seller experience is important too :)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2009, 15:00 by PixelBytes »

« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2009, 15:16 »
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Even with the subs at DT and Fotolia my RPD is still over 30c higher at DT and 11c higher at Fotolia than it is at IS

As much as I agree 20% at IS is very low for us, at least I have rarely, if ever, had any sub sales for less than 50 cents, most are $1-$6, even at 20%. Most of my sales are not subs. I have far more DLs and earn many times more at IS than DT.





« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2009, 15:55 »
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DT remains consistent for me.
I never think about views - why bother! It's sales that count. Anyway, if your images are well keyworded they will look after themselves.

« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2009, 16:38 »
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80% of my sales at DT this month are subs.  I never had anything like that before.   >:(

« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2009, 20:56 »
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80% of my sales at DT this month are subs.  I never had anything like that before.   >:(

You too? My RPD has been cut in half in July compared to June by the staggering amount of subs, at maximum size of course. I thought it was only me since the subject "subscriptions" is totally taboo on the DT forums.

In July, my RPD at DT was the same as at ShutterStock. I hope this is a seasonal phenomenon by buyers that want to finish their subscription package before going on holiday. Almost no on demand and no ELs at Shutterstock too in July.

If it stays like that after summer holidays, I will have to rethink my size upload policy. Shutterstock gets my downsized versions, and DT my full sizes.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 20:58 by cevapcici »

« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2009, 21:30 »
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My subs had always been marginal - 15-20%, 30% on worst months.  But now...

« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2009, 21:41 »
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My subs had always been marginal - 15-20%, 30% on worst months.  But now...
Open this subject on the Dreamstime forum now. They are all sleeping in Bucharest. By 9am CET the topic gets filled up, then it will be gone mysteriously around 10am CET.  ;D
Thanks to the Lord for the microstock group.  :P

No joke, Dreamstime will have noticed this trend too. They are not Fotolia and actually they take care of their contributor's worries. I guess it's a seasonal phenomenon of buyers finishing off their subscription packages before going on holiday. If it is becoming permanent, I'm sure Dreamstime will do something about it.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 21:47 by cevapcici »


 

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