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« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2018, 04:20 »
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No, its Absolutley dead. No increase. Just manipulated sales on some kind of wheel of miss fortune but the stops are getting less and less.
Only your experience counts? Some people often go against the trend on some sites good luck to them.


« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2018, 05:52 »
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Dead also for me. Even after I uploaded continuously my sales have gone down so I decided that as of July 1 I will not upload any files there!
They don't deserve it!

« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2018, 22:34 »
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My sales there have dropped drastically the past couple months. Low earner for me now.

« Reply #153 on: June 14, 2018, 09:26 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!

« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2018, 11:35 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2018, 17:47 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

« Reply #156 on: June 14, 2018, 18:11 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

A better metric is RPI/year.

« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2018, 02:29 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made 1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made 500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2018, 02:31 by Pauws99 »

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« Reply #158 on: June 15, 2018, 09:56 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

Because people like looking at statistics that are, in the end, mostly meaningless.

Yes it's nice to know that agency A makes a RPD of .## and agency B makes .## maybe annual RPD, but knowing has no effect on future performance it's just history. The data could spot a trend, if done by subject or styles or video vs photo Etc.

RPI, even less relevant or useful. Like people have pointed out for time after time, if one agency takes anything and I have 10,000 images and another is selective and I have 4,000 and another doesn't take Editorial so I have even less, how do I compare apples and oranges to the bananas? They aren't the same photos. Plus the one that's got only the best, should make more money because the useless filler has been removed.

The only number that matters to me is money in the bank. How much do I make from an agency per month and more valuable the long term, per year. There are daily ups and downs, months that are better or worse, but a year is a year, and that's the number that goes on the tax forms, which is nice to monitor.

Maybe some people think that watching months and days or making charts and graphs does something to help sales. Only if the data is used to predict what subjects, concepts, and styles sell better. For just numbers, that's a waste of time. You can look at your best seller lists on any agency and see what sells without making pie charts. RPI and RPD are virtually useless for building sales, they only reflect what's already happened.

Yes DT is dead for me, not a shock or unexpected. Keep in mind that DT knows they are dead and suing Google, claiming that the sales have fallen off terribly because of the search. DT knows that they are in trouble. Too bad, nice people, but business is more often just about business, not nice people we'd like to see making a good run at Microstock.

« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2018, 09:22 »
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Comparing RPI across agencies is actually useful because it tells you where to focus energy.  If I have fewer images on an agency with a high RPI then I will definitely want to increase my portfolio size on that one.  I try to make images that will have the greatest appeal to the agencies with the highest RPI as those are likely to get the most bang for the effort.  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

DT has been hanging in there for me.  For the past year or so I have been getting runs of multiple downloads of similar images from the same topics - often almost everything I have submitted on them.  No idea for what purpose, unless somebody is just making databases for future use.  I have a lot more on most them that I could submit so had better get to it while the going is good.  So far this month DT is at number three, ahead of FT, although I expect that will change by the end of the month.

« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2018, 12:48 »
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RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2018, 16:00 »
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RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

Calculating RPI on accepted pictures doesn't make sense.
If you use the number of images submitted (or produced) it does make sense.
It tells you how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average.
So you have a rough idea how many images you need to have to achieve a given monthly income.
Of course it's not exact, and of course it changes over time.
But it gives you a rough idea what to expect.

« Reply #162 on: June 16, 2018, 16:55 »
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  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

Do you really need to calculate RPI to know this instead of how many $$$s you have made? It goes back to the point those that use RPI don't seem to address...what if the agency only accepts 1 in a thousand images but sells it for $5 is that good? I just go by gut instinct but if you wanted to do it "properly" the measure should be how much of your time was spent uploading. If I can just ftp a thousand images I need less return that a site where I have to categorise and prioritise key words.


 

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