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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 11:29 »
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I must say that I, too am curious to see the portfolios of both litifeta and StockManiac - especially when the former photographer complained of a 100% rejection.

I'm always surprised when members here don't list their portfolios. I look at this place as a resource to learn and grow. To me, looking at the work of others is an important part of that process.


« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 11:36 »
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I did not ever know there was a UL limit on Dreamstime until today. I am a new contributor. I will in the future limit my uploads in accordance to the limits.

« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 11:43 »
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So, it was a glitch that enabled more than 100 to be uploaded.  Now we have that settled (as I beleive this was the main issue) we can move on.

My sales are on track this month (after a BEM last month) and $ per DL is slightly up at above $1 per DL.

« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2007, 16:42 »
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So if they deserve something extra, the question becomes how much extra?  Where do you draw the line?
Each of us probably has a different tolerance for each aspect you brought up.  Many people are fine with the 25c subscription earnings, I'm not (this is the reason I never joined SS).  Aren't exclusive's queue in IS shorter than regular members'?  And at least one site uses a policy of giving faster approvals to members with a higher approval rate.  Some are ok with those things, some are not.

I agree however that if DT is giving someone a special treatment, they should say so.  It's their prerrogative to give these priviledges, I guess.  I believe any site would give such priviledges if they think it's beneficial.

I also never bothered about upload limits. Even at IS they are far above my capacity of generating images....

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2007, 17:00 »
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I'm on the flip side of the coin: my earnings at DT are up by 32% this month.

Likewise.   My DT sales are up as well. I'm not going to be retiring any time soon on my DT sales, however, they are up.
       I am a bit concerned now after reading all of this thread and the response from DT.  Why?  Many of my recent sales are  "older" pictures posted upwards of 5/6  months ago. Pix that had never sold before.  I hope that this trend does not cease due to some program that now  'dis-favors' older pictures.   Seems to me, if it sold today, age doesn't seem to matter, it must still be relevant to someone.  On the other hand, I understand there has to be some kind of  'shelf-life'  on these things.
     
         Long upload times?  Low approvals?   What are you going to do? It's the nature of the business.
        Uber-folios,  one-man shows....  what are you going to do?  Nature of the business.
         Keeping integrity?  Lie thru your teeth?  ...  What are you going to do?  It's the nature of  every business.   
         You could go on for days picking apart every facet of a business and how it deals with it's customers, contributors and employees..
       We pick and choose what and who we think we want to deal with.  If later we feel the deal went sour...   we have two options.   Bear with it or bail out.  Yeah, you might have to wait 6 months to bail out, but you knew that going in. That's the chance you took.
        It didn't take me long to learn that. The number of people on this planet that actually do succeed in 'fighting city hall',  fighting 'the man'... are very, very, very few and far between. Same here in this situation. Their lawyers are more powerful and more plentiful than yours.
     Micros I have a problem with, really, any business I have a problem with...   I'm not going to waste a lot of my time hacking it out with them.  I ask once, I ask twice.  If I still feel I'm getting jerked around, blank 'em.  I  leave.  I'm biding my bailout time with a few micros right now. In their case not due to any disputes,but simply because they don't sell my pix.  When the limits up, the delete button gets active for an evening and the email  goes out to withdraw my name from the site.
         It ain't no biggie.  There are plenty of places to sell your work and microstock is not the be all end all of outlets for your photos.  I'm making far more outside of the micros than I do in them.

         I can understand the anger,  disappointment. whatever, that some have flamed on about in these related threads.  And I can agree with much of what was said.... and,  disagree with much that was said. 
         The photogs made some strong and valid points.  The  'company'   likewise made some valid points.

But in the end...  it's their company and they can do whatever they want

       By day I train low & middle managers for a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company.  There is something in their employment agreement each employee reads and signs.  It is also in the business agreements they make with their vendors and customers alike. It's something like this...

"   .................... reserves the right to change these policies at will and without the need to provide any written or verbal notification in advance nor to advise any participants prior to those changes. "

If anyone wants to work for them, buy from them or provide for them, they agree to that  condition. 

That's the way it is.   If DT wants to change on the fly,  that's their right.   Like it or not.  Right or wrong.  Ethical or not. 

When we sign up with any micro,  we click on that box saying we agree to their terms.  That includes the ones that they decide to change later at their will.

As for me,  I am not totally happy with what I've read on either side.  Photogs and DT have both put some doubts in my mind. Time will tell.

 None-the-less,  I won't be leaving DT any time soon.  If my work sells there, swell for me and swell for them. If my work should stop selling there....  hasta la vista, baby.

 If the day should come  that I've had enough, that's the day I stop uploading and start the 6 month countdown.  No biggie.

Dudes and dudettes of discontent....  Do you actually believe Coke would care if you called them up and said, "I'll never drink Coke again"?  You'd be like spit in the ocean... of no concern.  The only way you could beat Coke or, for that matter  Dreamstime, is if  EVERYONE pulled their photos... and that .......just ain't gonna happen.  Spend your life on really valued things.

You're wasting your valuable life time.  If you're ticked,  let 'em know  by pulling your own plug.  Just keep in mind,  they aren't going to miss you.  On the other hand,  .......you won't miss them either and your life will be a lot less aggravating.

Peace      8) -tom
« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 17:16 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2007, 17:45 »
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I did not ever know there was a UL limit on Dreamstime until today. I am a new contributor. I will in the future limit my uploads in accordance to the limits.

I don't think you have a choice.  Once you reach the limit, you are unable to upload anymore... so you don't need to watch yourself - it will happen whether you like it or not :)

and welcome here.

« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2007, 17:58 »
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thanks for clearing that up achilles - and taking the time to post.


« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2007, 21:12 »
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Tom,
Well put.

« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2007, 23:19 »
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Thanks, Void.     Hope all know I do not think myself  "holier than thou".  God knows I've had my rants in life and even here on MSG. There's been plenty of times I came back 5 minutes after posting and deleted everything that I said.
    I became a member on this site because I liked the family-like atmosphere that Leaf  had going.  It would be a shame to flush it all down the poop-chute over one micro-outfit and a couple policies they had that irked some of us.  DT isn't the first to tick off the photogs and they won't be the last. We all know, next week it'll be one of the others. And this DT thing will fade into the archives. It's the nature of this business.
    We need to remember that the day before yesterday, everyone in this thread was getting along, exchanging ideas, passing on tips and enjoying ourselves shooting the bull. It's crazy that suddenly we're hurling insults and calling names.
       I've learned a lot hanging out here, and I'd like to learn more. I've learned from parties on both sides of the above debate. Hopefully, by  the day after tomorrow, some verbal handshakes will have been exchanged and we can get back to the business of helping each other  make some money and have some fun.
     And above all,  I know I don't need to preach to anyone here. We're all adults.  We just need to remember why we all joined this forum in the first place.  I think that was because we all liked it.
         Peace..  (yeah, I'm an old hippie)     8) -tom

red_moon_rise

« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2007, 10:33 »
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just to resurrect a thread that was hoped to be forgotton

FYI

Iophotos highest seller (50 DL already)

http://www.dreamstime.com/smilingfamilyonbeach.-thumb2038224

Size 5607x3740 pixels (21.0 MP)
Model: Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

You decide if this falls into the 5% upscale limit. If DT does not mind up-sizing anymore, my apologies for bringing up that matter.

« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2007, 12:04 »
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You decide if this falls into the 5% upscale limit.

Nothing much to decide: that's a 12+% size increase. Kinda strange why someone would upsize an already "big enough" image...

red_moon_rise

« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2007, 12:15 »
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You decide if this falls into the 5% upscale limit.

Kinda strange why someone would upsize an already "big enough" image...

OVERKILL

« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2007, 13:41 »
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I guess that is not the only one who has upsized images. Iophoto is in focus right now, especially here because of this thread. Reviewer cannot see everything all the time and if the quality is ok then who cares?
Apparently this image is of good quality and I have no doubt about that.

« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2007, 14:12 »
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Stockphotomaniac, people have emailed me saying you are a competitor in fact. That's another conspiracy theory indeed :)


Flattery will get you nowhere.  ;)

I don't think that staying anonymous is really constructive...


Sorry, but I have to disagree with you.  It has obviously been extremely constructive.  Members have enlightened each other as to what is happening at DT and there has been lots of good discussion.

...so I would appreciate if you can give us a link to your portfolio.


Once again, I don't think that my portfolio has anything to do with this conversation.

Are all contributors treated the same on our site? I have to say no, certainly they are not.


Thanks for confirming my initial suspicions.

In regards to the math you provided, I have checked and the things I have assumed yesterday are correct, Ron uploaded more than the maximum amount due to a technical glitch.


Once again, thanks for confirming my suspicions.  I actually thought that you might try the old "it was a glitch" tactic.  That was a very convenient glitch for you!  I'm glad that I was able to help you find it.  You can keep the consultant's fee that I would usually charge  ;D

Since you didn't react to some of my other suspicions (for some reason), let me ask you some questions:

- Did DT keyword the images for Iofoto?  Iofoto is on at least three microstock sites.  On each site, his images seem to titled, described, and keyword uniquely.  I find it hard to believe that he would re-keyword thousands upon thousands of images for each site.

For example, the following image is on at least three sites, but yet has very different titles, descriptions, and keywords:

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2534953-english-bulldog-with-curious-expression-wearing-lei-and-party-hat-and-sitting-on-green-background.html

http://www.dreamstime.com/bulldogwearingpartyhat.-image2044530

http://www.luckyoliver.com/photo/1227139/spike_the_english_bulldog_wearing_lei_and

- Is Iofoto locked in to the standard 6 month contract, 70% contract just like everyone else (http://www.dreamstime.com/terms)?

- Is Iofoto exempt from the up-sizing rule?  You made the following statement on the DT forums regarding resizing an image (http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_522):

"All files submitted on Dreamstime have to use raw resolution, the maximum your digital camera can output."

Many of Iofoto's images that were taken with a Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II are 20 megapixels or larger.  Yet that camera is only capable of 17 megapixels!

If this is another software glitch, then you can just thank us for being such good beta testers.  ;)

- Finally, if someone buys DT for $100 million (give or take a few million), will you split the profits with all of the photographers that helped build the site over the years?

« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2007, 14:20 »
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I guess that is not the only one who has upsized images. Iophoto is in focus right now, especially here because of this thread. Reviewer cannot see everything all the time and if the quality is ok then who cares?

Why care?

First, because it is against the stated rules of DT and every other microsite.  Many sites would ban an artist for this sort of action, but being that he is new to the business I think that he should just get a warning.

Second, there was actually a very long thread at the Yahoo microstock forum about this very issue a short while ago.  Artists went so far as to call each other liars and cheaters for thinking about submitting images that were upsized more than the rules allowed.

Third, microstock sites continually reject an image for being "overly-edited".  They state that we should leave the editing up to the designer.

Fourth, you introduce artifacts when you upsize an image, so the buyer will not be receiving the quality image that they might expect.

I'm sure that there might be other reasons, but that is what I could come up with in a few short minutes.

red_moon_rise

« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2007, 14:21 »
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Perhaps the spirit of the upsizing rule is to prevent a submitter from reaching a larger level than the picture can support. If your picture is already in the highest category - larger size will only encourage buyers to get the larger resolution for no extra charge.
Yeah a 2 page spread with room to crop - awsome (just pretending to be a buyer).

« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2007, 16:40 »
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If DT does not mind up-sizing anymore, my apologies for bringing up that matter.

Are there rules about that?  As long as the image looks good at full size, I don't see any problem with upsizing.  I have two upsized images in IS (50% upsize) and one in StockXpert and BigStock (100% from a 640x480pix image!).

I used to upsize my 3.9MPix images to comply with TotallyPhotos minimum 4MPix.  Of course it was so insignificant that it was never noticed.

I've seen however horrible upsized images, though.  There are also some cameras (Fuji, I think, has several models) that have an internal upsizing algorithm and the result is always an image with very soft edges as if slightly unfocused.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2007, 01:16 »
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i know there are rules on istock about upsizing.  I have uploaded an image which was a combination of a few images to create a new image.  The new image was larger than my camera could produce.  It was rejected on this reason - which was wrong since it was a comp, but still goes to show that they have a standard reject reason 'image is large than the native format - pleas try again'

« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2007, 19:45 »
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I do some upsizing.  When I crop an image, I want to preserve original resolution, so I define the crop area in the same proportion as the original and then just use the bicubic smoother option.  To be honest with you, it was never a problem... A sharp, hi-res  image upsized with bicubic smoother option is difficult to spot.  Alamy seems to think this too.

« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2007, 03:30 »
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You're wasting your valuable life time.  If you're ticked,  let 'em know  by pulling your own plug.  Just keep in mind,  they aren't going to miss you.  On the other hand,  .......you won't miss them either and your life will be a lot less aggravating.

I agree and that's what I'm in the process of doing right now.


« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2007, 05:20 »
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and i thought this thread was going to die a peaceful death

« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2007, 06:36 »
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Once again, thanks for confirming my suspicions.  I actually thought that you might try the old "it was a glitch" tactic.  That was a very convenient glitch for you!  I'm glad that I was able to help you find it.  You can keep the consultant's fee that I would usually charge  ;D

Sorry to jump here in but I can actually confirm the glitch, I uploaded more then my limit several times. I thought DT had given up on the upload limit and didn't question it! If you click on my DT link you can see that I am only an average contributor not one of the biggies  ;)

Hope that helps to clear things up a little bit. SY

« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2007, 01:55 »
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 i agree that if i have a stock agency - and if i had a "newbie" as iophoto is - i would make exception - iofoto's portfolio is great - on every single photo we can see that "they know what they're doin' " ...

 and also, i have to say that i had a few times uploaded more photos than it was limit at the momentum (it was a little breaking limits - but 120 > 100 - so it is breaking of rule) - and no one made any problem to me.
 i do not what would happen' now, because i stopped uploading photos for a few months. - a few days ago i uploaded a few small bactch of photos (some 20-30 files) - so i do not know.

« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2007, 18:04 »
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and i thought this thread was going to die a peaceful death

LOL....  wishful thinking, Leaf.... LOL

However, I do wonder what's going on over there sometimes.  Unlike uber-stockhouses, I only upload a few to a dozen pix at a time.  I don't mind waiting my turn to be reviewed  and I know that I am not bringing DT the profits that many others do,  uber or otherwise.  None-the-less, after waiting a few days for review.....  and then,  having the pix 'under review'  for a couple days,   I am curious as to how I get booted back into the line up again and having to wait  hours/days again to get back into the 'review' mode?     hey, fair is fair, if I'm actually  'in review' , how'd I get back in the holding pattern? 
   What's that all about?  8)-tom

« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2007, 20:03 »
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Perhaps the first reviewer was blinded by the beauty of your submitted pictures and could not find the keyboard to approve the pictures. After a certain period of inactivity in the review cue they reverted back into the general line.

Ha Ha HA Ha . . .  (PS. I am not making fun of you or your pictures. If only you could see the tear on my face regarding the performance of DT).


 

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