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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2019, 10:55 »
An update here.

Dreamstimes Antitrust Claim against Google Dismissed

This is not over yet. Dreamstime may still win the Breach of Contract claim. Stranger things have happened.

« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2019, 11:09 »
I wouldnt bank on it. google has more money than gawd to squash this stuff, payoff judges, etc.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2019, 20:04 »
$50 Million for Adwords? No wonder we only get a small cut.

« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2019, 04:39 »
So... do we get X% of whatever they win?

X% of nothing is still nothing. But maybe if you pay for the lawyers, you can insure you get a cut.  ;)

Filing a lawsuit is proof of nothing, just that Dreamstime is unhappy. I like the jury trial, that's a smart move. We'll have to see, but I can understand why DT has filed at this point. Sales down, income down, rank down, the future isn't looking to prosperous. If the next quote, from their claim, is true, even more reason to go all in.

"47. Google also plans to enter the online stock photography business segment directly..." That should be interesting if true.

Partnership - adwords with Shutterstock: Down at the bottom, "Google joins AOL, Salesforce and Sprinklr in integrating Shutterstock search capabilities directly into their products." Shouldn't we be seeing an income increase?

Basically, DT is claiming that Google cooks the results to benefit SS and IS and adds Adobe to the group, even though Adobe doesn't pay for the advantage. DT's main market is discounted images. Called "competitive pricing" in the lawsuit. DT says there's a monopoly and anti-trust violations involved because of the way Google treats Dreamstime, because Google profits from the others higher rank. DT says new buyers have declined 30% since the "manipulated" drop in the search ranking. DT's drop from page one and further down has in effect reduced their clicks from the search, 95%. Also "low cost per acquisition advertisements were being removed" for non-compliance while higher cost, similar ads were allowed to stay.

The antitrust part is pretty much general ways that Google is in violation. DT also asserts that "overcharged and over delivered AdWords to
Dreamstime" which isn't the first time I've read a complaint from an advertiser about AdWords costs and contracts. Amusing, if any of this can be that, DT claims unfair removal of ads when SS ran similar ads. When DT wrote to Google to complain, they were ignored. Hey how does that feel?  :)

I use Bing for my default search. I enjoy the points and can get gift cards for places, just for doing what I do anyway, which is search the web.

How's SS doing? Some people have noticed that the drop in sales for us has been connected to the drop in the rank.


I don't know how much to base on Alexa graphs and I don't have an account, so that's about all I can see.

Already happened (sort of) with their fast growing Audio Library in Youtube.
They put the space and say: free to promote your work artists (music industry)
Free legal music to you customers (call them creators or whatever you believe...)
Google knows one thing for sure to first offer for free and then collect on a payed basis.

As a newbie in stock footage  I know nothing, especially on images and profit.
But as an average user, i know this. Google first gatheres and then sell (by giving a cut).
If all those backup cloud pictures in Google account reach a possible milestone,
Why not google send a generic: profit from your pictures in Photos!
Select and sell those that you want! With face recognitions, here are some suggested
Clients that might be interested: schoolmates, the bar you posed, your vacation climbing clip..

Etc. Google as a compliment does a really good work on human analysis.
I remember using Picasa ages ago and clearly face detected 97-98% persons in the picture.
Nowadays, guess that they can do better. Way much more better! (For them, not us...)

Edit, i wanted to quote the Google entering stock phrase! Silly me!
As a second thought, if Google connect me with the bar owner I shot a selfie,
Send him a sample and suggest him/her to make an offer?
No need to be a contributor or anything.
Instant profit, automated and with no "i am shamed to ask if my photo values anything..."

Where there is extra offer, a saturated market, automation enters.
Kind of industrie. If we produced 10 tomatoes we make them dinner.
If we produce 10tons a day we need automation. And Google is the king on that...
« Last Edit: January 31, 2019, 04:46 by georgep7 »

« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2019, 12:02 »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2019, 09:34 »
This isn't done, or is it?

Cutting to the end: "Im pretty sure the DOJ wont be investigating Dreamstimes problem. Instead, this case reminds me a lot of the e-Ventures case, also involving allegations of competitive downranking/de-indexing. e-Ventures survived Googles motion to dismiss but then got shut down on summary judgment. I think its pretty clear Dreamstime will suffer the same fate, especially given the low odds it will find anything close to the smoking gun it seeks. Unfortunately, it will take lots of money on discovery to reach this seemingly inevitable outcome."

Just to add who wrote this opinion, Eric Goldman is a Professor of Law at Santa Clara University School of Law. He also co-directs the schools High Tech Law Institute and supervises the schools Privacy Law Certificate. Previously, he was an Assistant Professor at Marquette University Law School in Milwaukee, WI. Before that, I was General Counsel of Epinions, Inc. in Brisbane, CA and, before that, a technology transactions and Internet lawyer at Cooley Godward LLP in Palo Alto, CA.

Somehow I lean towards, his opinion might be right?


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