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Slovenian

« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2011, 11:16 »
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From now on, Dreamstime goes on a "back burner" - there are many agencies that are waiting for our submissions, we've been doing extremely well with some of them especially in Europe.
Dreamstime will get what they are asking for - much less images from us, if any at all.

They aren't getting any from me, I just uploaded 100+ on DT and FT to test the site and they both suck (combined together they never made more than 10% of what SS does). I don't even know how some of you manage to contribute to numerous agencies, even to those with tiny traffic with no hope of selling at least 10% of what IS and SS do. I'm currently contributing to IS, SS and just started at Alamy. And I'm already fed up with Alamy, the 3rd agency is just too much for me, I don't have the will for all that keywording and arranging (licences, releases etc).

Which European agencies did you have in mind?


« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2011, 11:20 »
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Which European agencies did you have in mind?

Most of them by invitation only:)

lisafx

« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2011, 11:21 »
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They aren't getting any from me, I just uploaded 100+ on Dreamstime and Fotolia to test the site and they both suck (combined together they never made more than 10% of what Shutterstock does). I don't even know how some of you manage to contribute to numerous agencies, even to those with tiny traffic with no hope of selling at least 10% of what IS and Shutterstock do. I'm currently contributing to IS, Shutterstock and just started at Alamy. And I'm already fed up with Alamy, the 3rd agency is just too much for me, I don't have the will for all that keywording and arranging (licences, releases etc).

Which European agencies did you have in mind?

If you do your keywording in the IPTC, through photoshop or some other program, it will be read by all the sites and you only have to do it the one time.  Then you just FTP the images and (on some sites) attach categories and releases.  It's not really any harder to upload to 10 sites than two or three.  Especially if one of the two or three you are on is Istock.  It takes me an hour to upload, disambiguate, etc. 15 images on Istock, and it takes less than an additional hour to get them on 9 other sites.  

« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2011, 11:37 »
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If you do your keywording in the IPTC, through photoshop or some other program, it will be read by all the sites and you only have to do it the one time.  Then you just FTP the images and (on some sites) attach categories and releases.  It's not really any harder to upload to 10 sites than two or three.  Especially if one of the two or three you are on is Istock.  It takes me an hour to upload, disambiguate, etc. 15 images on Istock, and it takes less than an additional hour to get them on 9 other sites.  

LOL. This is sad, but true.

lagereek

« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2011, 11:52 »
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A good clean-up will only benefit us in the long run.

Unless they pour out the baby with the bathwater.

I understand concerns people voiced here and agree with examples of image spamming. However, I am not a spammer. Why don't they go after the guy with 50 shots of the same pizza slice instead of deleting very questionable "similars" from my portfolio?  

I also don't understand why automatic removal of unsold images (which they already have in place) is not enough.

Dreamstime and other agencies exist because you and me and all of us give them our images to sell. Submitting images to them and get them approved only to find out later that they removed them is a huge waste of time and effort for us.
From now on, Dreamstime goes on a "back burner" - there are many agencies that are waiting for our submissions, we've been doing extremely well with some of them especially in Europe.
Dreamstime will get what they are asking for - much less images from us, if any at all.

Oh I like that one!!  pour out the baby with the bath water!!!  brillant!  how . do I translate that one into Swedish, to make sense?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 12:05 by lagereek »

« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2011, 12:03 »
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A good clean-up will only benefit us in the long run.

I mostly agree with this. Painful in the short term, but beneficial in the long term.

Slovenian

« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2011, 12:51 »
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They aren't getting any from me, I just uploaded 100+ on Dreamstime and Fotolia to test the site and they both suck (combined together they never made more than 10% of what Shutterstock does). I don't even know how some of you manage to contribute to numerous agencies, even to those with tiny traffic with no hope of selling at least 10% of what IS and Shutterstock do. I'm currently contributing to IS, Shutterstock and just started at Alamy. And I'm already fed up with Alamy, the 3rd agency is just too much for me, I don't have the will for all that keywording and arranging (licences, releases etc).

Which European agencies did you have in mind?

If you do your keywording in the IPTC, through photoshop or some other program, it will be read by all the sites and you only have to do it the one time.  Then you just FTP the images and (on some sites) attach categories and releases.  It's not really any harder to upload to 10 sites than two or three.  Especially if one of the two or three you are on is Istock.  It takes me an hour to upload, disambiguate, etc. 15 images on Istock, and it takes less than an additional hour to get them on 9 other sites.  

Tnx for your reply Lisa. I'm just curious, how do you enter keywords in PS?

« Reply #82 on: April 19, 2011, 16:23 »
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... I'm just curious, how do you enter keywords in PS?

In the File Info dialog. You can do it in Lightroom too if that's your preferred way of working.

Alamy has some special procedures (three categories of keywords, how many people in the image, picking the license type, where the image was shot, etc.) that take extra time and you can't deal with anything but the title, description and keyword via the image's metadata.

In general, your goal should be to keep all that image related data in the file as much as possible. Gives you all sorts of flexibility for future uses. Unfortunately there isn't a single standard for keywording - do you include plurals/not, how to handle (or if they handle) multi-word terms, do you include UK as well as US English spellings, etc. Try to work out the closest to universally useful and then modify at the site where necessary.

« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2011, 17:07 »
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I don't know why so many people think that old non selling images are a problem and clog up the searches.   If an image is old and non selling it will be at the back of just about any search on any site.

I agree. Plus, Dreamstime is a slow site with not-so-great search algorithm, and the fact that images have not sold there doesn't mean they are not sellable - many of my images that had no or very few sales on Dreamstime are very good sellers elsewhere.
And they do have their "donate for free" or "disable" option for images that hasn't been sold in a while - so why go manual and spend so much effort on combing through collection??... If someone has too many similars and only one or two images out of the series get sold, the rest will go automatically into their free section or get disabled after a while, right? Right. Then it looks like they are just wasting time and effort and pissing off contributors for no good reason. <shrug>

laughed the other day, one the images in my list of 4 year old unsolds being deleted has had over 1000 sales elsewhere, one a few weeks ago has consisently sold twice a week on Shutterstock for 4 years :) (not a criticism of Dreamstime, I have images at every agency that barely sell at others, just the luck of search engine placement and I'm sure you've seen the same type of thing)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 17:17 by Phil »

« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2011, 17:21 »
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laughed the other day, one the images in my list of 4 year old unsolds being deleted has had over 1000 sales elsewhere, one a few weeks ago has consisently sold twice a week on Shutterstock for 4 years :) (not a criticism of Dreamstime, I have images at every agency that barely sell at others, just the luck of search engine placement and I'm sure you've seen the same type of thing)

Yep. One good reason to NOT go exclusive anywhere.

lisafx

« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2011, 17:23 »
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JoAnn was faster, but to expand on what she said - Go to File>File Info.  Then you will get this dialogue box where you can fill in the title, keywords, author, and whether it is copyrighted.  



When I do it on similar images (but wait, I never upload similar images! ;) ) I will cut and paste the same keywords into each, but then modify them by image, taking out the irrelevant ones and adding ones specific to that pose.  For example if they are "smiling" in one and "serious" in another.  

For images you've already edited but want to add or change keywords to, Irfanview is great.  It's free, and you can make the changes without recompressing the image and losing quality.  

Hope that helps :)

WarrenPrice

« Reply #86 on: April 19, 2011, 17:38 »
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^^^ I haven't been able to use cut and paste but I use Elements.  Is it supposed to work in Elements?

« Reply #87 on: April 19, 2011, 18:12 »
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...Oh I like that one!!  pour out the baby with the bath water!!!  brillant!  how . do I translate that one into Swedish, to make sense?

I can't help with the translation, but I loved a story from several years ago when some Russian-speaking dignitary was visiting the US (I think Clinton). The translator asked about a sentence that included "...been there, done that..." and after getting the meaning said that in Russian, the equivalent phrase - translated to English - was "I've stepped on that rake before". I just adore the visual my brain conjures for the Russian version - so evocative!

« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2011, 20:04 »
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In the days of old, the women would warm up the bathwater for the men.  Then the oldest boy down to the wife and daughters would use the same bath and of course the baby was last.  That's where the phrase "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" was supposed to originate (although the meaning has slightly changed).  The water was supposed to be so filthy by then you could no longer see the baby in it!

« Reply #89 on: April 19, 2011, 23:07 »
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laughed the other day, one the images in my list of 4 year old unsolds being deleted has had over 1000 sales elsewhere, one a few weeks ago has consisently sold twice a week on Shutterstock for 4 years :) (not a criticism of Dreamstime, I have images at every agency that barely sell at others, just the luck of search engine placement and I'm sure you've seen the same type of thing)

Yep. One good reason to NOT go exclusive anywhere.

Hopefully if you are exclusive you concentrate on the things that do sell on that agency :)

« Reply #90 on: April 19, 2011, 23:21 »
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I got some files removed too apparently for helping increasing my sales. I get it, no pb, theres not much one can do about it. What I dont get is wich ones were removed, all I got was some file numbers, at least they could have give me the names of those files so I can see wich of my graphics are really stopping DT from making me a billionaire.:(

rubyroo

« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2011, 03:26 »
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"I've stepped on that rake before". I just adore the visual my brain conjures for the Russian version - so evocative!

Oh that's wonderful.  Thanks for that!  ;D


 

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