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velocicarpo

« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2011, 19:14 »
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They ARE deleting non selling images from 4 years go.

Shutterstock should do this, they have old stuff from 2004 and 2005 clogging their site and they reject files for "too many on the site"  >:(

the similars rejection is a bit annoying, if, for example, you have old files of a determinated subject and try to upload a new pic of the same subject they reject for too many  :'(

lol, yes, thats no secret...my proposal was deleting files sooner and more radical ;-)


digitalexpressionimages

« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2011, 07:54 »
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A commercial arrangement / contract exists between the contributor and Dreamstime and between Dreamstime and the eventual downloader of the image.  There is no such relationship between the contributor and the downloader.  The customer pays a fee to Dreamstime and Dreamstime give you a small cut of this i.e. they are paying you.  Therefore, in any meaningful sense, Dreamstime is your customer (actually the payment arrangement seems more like an employer / employee relationship).  Now, as pointed out in another thread, the rejected images may sell like hotcakes elsewhere but, most likely, instead of, rather than in addition to, other images already there, so you feel the loss - but they dont.  Ive seen nothing to indicate the guys running these sites are stupid so if they wont accept both landscape & portrait its from choice rather than ignorance possibly with reference to the supply already available.
velocicarpo
Im around long enough to know that with respect means the opposite :-D  Ive have absolutely no reason to doubt what you say if youre actually making a living doing this you must be pretty good.  However, this is a matter of commerce, not photography / 3D/ illustration.  Do you actually think ANY commercial organisation actually gives a rats ass about quality as long as they are moving product?  Have you seen the absolute crap that fills the TV schedules and music charts?  Do you really think cheap and cheerful stock photography is any different?
Pixart
Youre dead right 10, 20 images for the price of 1?  Talk about giving people enough rope....

Wow. OK, newsflash, stock agencies are NOT our employers they're middlemen. Photographers are the suppliers, buyers are the customers and the agency is the retail store that sells our product to the customers. We DO NOT work for them and they are NOT our customer. It's more like a symbiotic relationship: without product to sell they would have to shut down and while we can sell our product direct, it's far far easier simply to use an already established venue like dreamstime to do all the grunt work of running a retail business for a cut of the profit. They take the lion's share which is another issue altogether but that's how it works.

They decide what product they represent (accepting or rejecting images) but to do that they use low paid editors that don't have a clue what to look for so instead they follow strict guidelines which leave little room to think or use judgement. i.e. this images looks alot like that image so it's too similar according to the rules, reject it.

Even if the argument for similars had any weight, buyers are ALWAYS looking for fresh material on particular subjects so keeping the same image in the catalog for years seems less productive than presenting fresh shots.

Having said that, I have a collage in my port that is a collection of images that, on their own, have little strength but together are very strong and fill a niche occupied by only one other image as competition. Makes for excellent sales. So collages do have their place.

velocicarpo

« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2011, 08:26 »
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A commercial arrangement / contract exists between the contributor and Dreamstime and between Dreamstime and the eventual downloader of the image.  There is no such relationship between the contributor and the downloader.  The customer pays a fee to Dreamstime and Dreamstime give you a small cut of this i.e. they are paying you.  Therefore, in any meaningful sense, Dreamstime is your customer (actually the payment arrangement seems more like an employer / employee relationship).  Now, as pointed out in another thread, the rejected images may sell like hotcakes elsewhere but, most likely, instead of, rather than in addition to, other images already there, so you feel the loss - but they dont.  Ive seen nothing to indicate the guys running these sites are stupid so if they won’t accept both landscape & portrait its from choice rather than ignorance possibly with reference to the supply already available.
velocicarpo
Im around long enough to know that with respect means the opposite :-D  Ive have absolutely no reason to doubt what you say if youre actually making a living doing this you must be pretty good.  However, this is a matter of commerce, not photography / 3D/ illustration.  Do you actually think ANY commercial organisation actually gives a rats ass about quality as long as they are moving product?  Have you seen the absolute crap that fills the TV schedules and music charts?  Do you really think cheap and cheerful stock photography is any different?
Pixart
Youre dead right 10, 20 images for the price of 1?  Talk about giving people enough rope....

I see your point, but you may miss that off course I think about commercial value of Images when talking about quality. There is absolute no point for dreamstime to approve a copyofycopyofacopy in a low quality (commercially spoken) version of what exists already thousand times.
The weak point of them is missing Inspector education. Not duplicates.

lthn

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2011, 08:28 »
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... It's more like a symbiotic relationship:...

How come they make all the rules than?

lthn

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2011, 08:33 »
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.... There is absolute no point for dreamstime to approve a copyofycopyofacopy in a low quality (commercially spoken) version of what exists already thousand times.
The weak point of them is missing Inspector education. Not duplicates.

That makes no sense whatsoever, because repetitivness comes from their restrictive inspection: they only accept a few themes, in few lighting schemes. (micros in general) Quality of the shot has little connection to sales, some of the bestsellers are utter junk ugly crap as images, so... This is just stupid.

« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2011, 10:16 »
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... Photographers are the suppliers, buyers are the customers and the agency is the retail store that sells our product to the customers....


Thats pretty much QED as far as Im concerned.   8)  If I buy a bar of soap (even smelly noobs occasionally buy soap) from a shop, as far as Im concerned, and legally, Im a customer of the shop not the manufacturer of the soap.  Of course there is inconsistency and good and bad reviewers - every organisation has good and bad staff.  Id bet my last cigarette though that the kind of policy were talking about comes from on high and the reviewers are working to pretty strict guidelines.  On the collages front, what has competition of dozens or even hundreds now will shortly have competition of thousands  :-\.  I hope at least the folks doing these keep the dimensions to whatever they would normally do for a single image.

velocicarpo, I think that this is as simple as putting a valve mechanism in place.  Its probably easier and cheaper to control the flow at the review stage than to do something about the stuff already on site.  I cant really see why a cull like you suggest wouldnt work unless the kind of subject matter being rejected is actually selling pretty well already and may not be affected by such a cull who knows?

Ithn,  IS aside, the other sites seem pretty flexible about stuff thats slightly different in fact probably easier than submitting more standard stock.  Upside is high acceptance and low competition for sales.  Downside is a much smaller potential market.

« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2011, 19:22 »
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Hi Louis,
no, you shouldn't be doing any collages, (unless the images call for such a composition), and you're absolutely right to be annoyed.
I'm not sure where this 'make collages' story comes from (a request from a confused buyer perhaps), but it's not right and you shouldn't be doing it.
I'm not a designer (I work for a small print house) and although we have thousands of images on our hard drives, there's barely a collage or two (Yuri's I believe). I like to have full control over the way I position my images, and more often than not collages don't fit the bill.
We don't really buy them :)
Don't do it :)

I like Dreamstime a lot and I can only hope they'll change their minds about this 'make collages' affair soon enough :)
That's before they upset most of you.

« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2011, 19:35 »
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Hi Louis,
no, you shouldn't be doing any collages, (unless the images call for such a composition), and you're absolutely right to be annoyed.
I'm not sure where this 'make collages' story comes from (a request from a confused buyer perhaps), but it's not right and you shouldn't be doing it.
I'm not a designer (I work for a small print house) and although we have thousands of images on our hard drives, there's barely a collage or two (Yuri's I believe). I like to have full control over the way I position my images, and more often than not collages don't fit the bill.
We don't really buy them :)
Don't do it :)

I like Dreamstime a lot and I can only hope they'll change their minds about this 'make collages' affair soon enough :)
That's before they upset most of you.

They're not going to do sh_t because Serban is inflexible.  That collage thing is a disgraceful suggestion to the contributors.

« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2011, 20:47 »
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I like Dreamstime a lot and I can only hope they'll change their minds about this 'make collages' affair soon enough :)
That's before they upset most of you.

I do them when I have in mind while shooting, if not I wont thats for sure, sometimes I do it to get pictures online, rarely but it is going to screw our business  and stock.. nothing we can do or we are out of sales

thanks for all comments guys, appreciate your feedback

« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2011, 02:37 »
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At least the old stuff that sells gets higher prices over time, so my not uploading hasn't hit my earnings too badly.  It gives me time to upload new stuff to sites that are more contributor friendly.  I have absolutely no interest in doing collages for one site.  The others would soon insist on them if it worked for DT and we really would be in an even worse situation.

« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2011, 08:40 »
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I have absolutely no interest in doing collages for one site.  The others would soon insist on them if it worked for Dreamstime and we really would be in an even worse situation.

That is a very good point.  I think there's been enough instances over the past year or so where we've seen one site copy the ideas of another.  I will say this again, putting four good quality images into a collage and getting a .35 cent download effectively means you get 1/4th of the earnings (.0875 cents to be exact).  I mean, come on....pretty soon we'll be making a penny a DL.  FTS.


 

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