Author Topic: DT subs, 33c? (Read 15070 times)

madelaide · « **on:** November 06, 2011, 09:14 »

I got a DT subs earning me 33c yesterday. Anything new? It's not the 30% tax they take, that gives me 25 or 49c net.

FD · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2011, 09:19 »

Quote from: madelaide on November 06, 2011, 09:14

I got a DT subs earning me 33c yesterday. Anything new?

Probably. I got those too recently. Should we start a thread on the DT forum?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2011, 15:34 »

I'm still waiting on an answer to my support ticket from 10/25 about a 28 cent subs sale. A query on MSG about it had some people mentioning subs through distributors as the likely reason. I'll be posting here when (if) DT replies to me.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2011, 16:13 »

Quote from: jsnover on November 06, 2011, 15:34

I'm still waiting on an answer to my support ticket from 10/25 about a 28 cent subs sale. A query on MSG about it had some people mentioning subs through distributors as the likely reason. I'll be posting here when (if) DT replies to me.

With DT, if they haven't replied by this time, it means they won't be replying, although they might with u now cos you've posted here. They do answer most emails and within a few days. But I think they prioritise more (like with a lot of the big sites) on handling emails about specific problems, rather than query emails.

FD · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2011, 19:21 »

Quote from: jsnover on November 06, 2011, 15:34

A query on MSG about it had some people mentioning subs through distributors as the likely reason.

Well they had partners before but this phenomenon is new, so something (unannounced?) must have been changed.

nicku · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2011, 02:45 »

Very possible i had a sub with $0.26 and the tax for me is 10%

madelaide · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2011, 15:37 »

Just started a thread
http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_29407

pancaketom · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2011, 20:27 »

I got a level 4 sub - .52 instead of the promised .70

red · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2011, 08:42 »

The official answer, from Achilles is -

These royalties may be generated via the referral/alliance program where a share is awarded to the partner. With the weekly subscription no longer available, we expect the number of sub downloads to diminish.

Even though we removed this type of subscription for the time being, we consider them to be a real succes. The number of downloads they generated helped a lot of the images to reach a higher level and allowed the "level 0" price increase with little negative impact. This equals higher price and better royalties. We will continue to watch this in the next months and will decide whether it makes sense or not to bring them back.

However, someone stated on the forums that they were opted out of referral/alliance program and still got the reduced payment. So I expect this isn't the end of it....

FD · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2011, 10:05 »

Quote from: cuppacoffee on November 08, 2011, 08:42

However, someone stated on the forums that they were opted out of referral/alliance program and still got the reduced payment. So I expect this isn't the end of it....

The answer of the boss was a bit evading. Something has changed. He will be back

red · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2011, 11:20 »

ok, this is it (from the boss) -

The referral share is calculated taking into account the percentage awarded to the referral. Some of the partners in the alliance program will send users to our site, as they don't have access to subscriptions but still need access to this product. Their share is taken into account just as we take it into account for referrals, in fact they become referrals in this part, because the buyer is sent to Dreamstime. Dreamstime was supporting the entire fee until a while ago, this is actually what changed. We corrected that and probably missed to announce it.

Hope this clarifies it.

Reaction on the forums so far is not pretty...

digitalexpressionimages · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2011, 11:25 »

Quote from: cuppacoffee on November 08, 2011, 11:20

ok, this is it (from the boss) -

The referral share is calculated taking into account the percentage awarded to the referral. Some of the partners in the alliance program will send users to our site, as they don't have access to subscriptions but still need access to this product. Their share is taken into account just as we take it into account for referrals, in fact they become referrals in this part, because the buyer is sent to Dreamstime. Dreamstime was supporting the entire fee until a while ago, this is actually what changed. We corrected that and probably missed to announce it.

Hope this clarifies it.

Yes, I just read this on the DT board. They cut commissions and just forgot to tell people. They will no doubt spin it into some kind of "it's not a commission cut" but the bottom line is less money per sale so you decide what to call it. Everyone talks about how Dreamstime looks out for it's contributors and treats them fairly, I've defended them myself but this puts them down in the gutter with every other sideways dealing agency. To forget to tell your contributors that they're going to make less money from each sale is low.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2011, 11:46 »

Quote from: digitalexpressionimages on November 08, 2011, 11:25

Quote from: cuppacoffee on November 08, 2011, 11:20
ok, this is it (from the boss) -

The referral share is calculated taking into account the percentage awarded to the referral. Some of the partners in the alliance program will send users to our site, as they don't have access to subscriptions but still need access to this product. Their share is taken into account just as we take it into account for referrals, in fact they become referrals in this part, because the buyer is sent to Dreamstime. Dreamstime was supporting the entire fee until a while ago, this is actually what changed. We corrected that and probably missed to announce it.

Hope this clarifies it.

Yes, I just read this on the DT board. They cut commissions and just forgot to tell people. They will no doubt spin it into some kind of "it's not a commission cut" but the bottom line is less money per sale so you decide what to call it. Everyone talks about how Dreamstime looks out for it's contributors and treats them fairly, I've defended them myself but this puts them down in the gutter with every other sideways dealing agency. To forget to tell your contributors that they're going to make less money from each sale is low.

I'm in a spin; love is the spin I'm in ... that Old Black Magic ... call Commission Cut.... LOL

God, I crack me up.

Serban, You're the greatest. Are you into politics?

Artemis · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2011, 11:48 »

I always loved DT for their transparency but now i'm really ticked off; I have to pay as much as 20% of my sub royalty for referrals from a program i'm not even enrolled in?! And they "forgot" to announce it?
Bah!

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2011, 12:02 »

I think the thing that pi33es me off the most is the "we probably forgot" to announce it. He either announced it and can point to where that happened, or didn't.

As I posted on their forums, there's also my unanswered support ticket from October 25th - two weeks to tell me a simple piece of information?

They need to spell out this latest takeback from an agency on their page with all the royalty amounts so it's transparent.

The shame about this is that it does appear to be a small minority of subscription sales that are at the reduced rate. So they lose trust by being so slow to own up to this change over something that would have been fairly easy to swallow had they just been straightforward about it.

digitalexpressionimages · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2011, 13:41 »

Quote from: jsnover on November 08, 2011, 12:02

I think the thing that pi33es me off the most is the "we probably forgot" to announce it. He either announced it and can point to where that happened, or didn't.

As I posted on their forums, there's also my unanswered support ticket from October 25th - two weeks to tell me a simple piece of information?

They need to spell this latest takeback from an agency on their page with all the royalty amounts so it's transparent.

The shame about this is that it does appear to be a small minority of subscription sales that are at the reduced rate. So they lose trust by being so slow to own up to this change over something that would have been fairly easy to swallow had they just be straightforward about it.

That's true but how small a minority of sales is also something no one knows. I think I see which sales are partners and which are DT but I don't know for sure because they don't make it clear. As far as I see it's going to effect a good percentage of sales for me. Even so, it's definitely the "probably missed to announce it" that is the real betrayal. Of course it's not like anyone counts on revenue from microstock, we're all millionaires and just just do this for giggles.

madelaide · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2011, 15:07 »

It is strange to me that this cut in subs due to partners seems to be new (am I wrong?). Either they did not cut this from our share before, or a partner selling subs is something new. In credit sales, it is impossible to know what happens, either taxes or partners get mixed with the earnings we see.

Are we allowed to opt out from partners?

red · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2011, 15:28 »

Yes, you can opt out from partners and alliances. Go to your management area and click on the Alliances icon.

Elenathewise · « **Reply #18 on:** November 08, 2011, 16:08 »

I got $0.24 subscription sale on Dreamstime yesterday.
And $0.23 for the sale of Level 0 image. Which works out to about 24% commission even with max number of credits bought. And they are supposed to be so much better than PD?

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #19 on:** November 08, 2011, 16:18 »

Quote from: cuppacoffee on November 08, 2011, 15:28

Yes, you can opt out from partners and alliances. Go to your management area and click on the Alliances icon.

My understanding was that being opted out doesn't matter. If one of the Partner Referrals buys your image directly from DT, the Referring Partner gets a cut. YOU still lose a portion of the commission.

Did I read that wrong?

Artemis · « **Reply #20 on:** November 08, 2011, 16:21 »

That's exactely how i understood it too Warren.
I'm opted out and got the cut.

red · « **Reply #21 on:** November 08, 2011, 16:27 »

Yep. The cut also applies to the referral program (not just alliances and partners) -

Your earnings for credits awarded the same dynamic rates via the referral program. It's the same thing, since in this case your content remains only available on Dreamstime.

madelaide · « **Reply #22 on:** November 08, 2011, 20:04 »

Anyway, this is something new, right? Achilles' reply seems to imply it is not, but I don't remember ever having a subs with any cut other than the 30% USA tax.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2011, 20:23 »

If I get his meaning correctly, he's saying that it was supposed to work this way from the beginning, but it didn't. A bug/mistake was recently corrected which means they now take the cut form our royalties.

FD · « **Reply #24 on:** November 08, 2011, 20:24 »

Quote from: Elenathewise on November 08, 2011, 16:08

And $0.23 for the sale of Level 0 image. Which works out to about 24% commission even with max number of credits bought. And they are supposed to be so much better than PD?

Yes, since level 0 is about the very first sale. After that the image goes automatically to level 1 (you don't need to be Emerald for that) and the buyer needs to spend 3 credits at least for the smallest size. Does PD has a level system or is it an eternal-level-0 site? It's rather unfair to compare the worst case scenario on DT with the typical scenario on PD.

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