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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2013, 07:08 »
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DT is going down,down,down slowly but certainly..... in my opinion the biggest problem they have is the price structure. They are the most expensive agency ( after IS that is already down) out there... and the buyers can find the same exact image on other site at 25% of DT price.

I know if DT will drop the level structure ...that change will affect us to. But from my point of view DT sales represent a small part of my stock earnings.


« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2013, 17:19 »
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Still #2 most months.  OK less sales but better sales so they are holding their own.  Really, I don't believe price is what's killing IS

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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2013, 01:54 »
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Weeks later and still my balance is the same. I joined Alamy 3 weeks ago and already had one sale. I will be no longer uploading to DT. Waste of time.

« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2013, 03:33 »
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Ever since the last price change, my DT pattern looks like this: Lots of subscriptions (which I already got before), then I get a big one ($4 or $5), and then lots of subscriptions again. What I hardly get anymore are $0.21 or $0.46 sales.

The net effect of this is that DT will probably be one of the few agencies which keep the level of the last years for me - at least my half-year projections say so 8)

« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 03:55 »
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I'm up 20% on the first half of 2012 thanks largely to a great April 2013

I'll be happy if keep that growth over the second half of 2013 but outcomes at DT are very hard to predict. My earnings graph is more like a seismograph at the apex of a major earthquake.

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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2013, 10:22 »
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After weeks of checking I have come to accept that my DT payment account will stay the same for all eternity  :(

« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2013, 10:31 »
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DT is very strange. I had 3 sales today and earned 8 dollars. A good day.
But often, sometimes 14 days pass without a sale.

But not lately, both DT and FOT are quite constant these days. Whereas there are unusual holes in shutterstocks weekdays.
i try to explain it with, that the factories are uploading masses and you never have a chance to be seen.

So my feeling is that the factories or just one factory is hitting on shutter, whereas fot and Dt are open for uploads to be noticed.

« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2013, 10:49 »
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With a third of this month left, DT is battling for the last spot on the earnings ranking against 123rf. And even though someone mentioned they have the most expensive images after istock - they are also battling against 123rf with regards to RPD this month. :(

« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2013, 11:10 »
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DT is my number one or two agency on any given month.  I started there and was exclusive at first so my largest port is there.  After leaving exclusive (they want total exclusiveness, can't even sell on POD - too restrictive), I saw my sales drop by half which too me a few months to recover from the other sites.

On DT I'll get rash of non-sub sales at nice price points and then a sub storm. Its kind of random. 

June was a good month for me on DT, July doesn't look so great.  The biggest problem I see is that an increase in uploads hasn't translated into an increase in sales.  Sales numbers seem to be in a certain range no matter what.

That's why I'm working on my Symbiostock site - dogfordstudios.com

« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2013, 11:33 »
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Like many other people, I see lurches from days with all subs to days with all credit sales. Once in a while I have a weekday with no sale at all; Wednesday and Thursday of this week I had no sales. Even for a summer month, that's a surprise. And SS has been having a great July so far, so it's not as if everywhere is in the doldrums.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2013, 13:05 »
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Quoted Message: Dreamstime used to compensate that with level-based pricing for sub sales, now it is gone.

"That isn't true. Thanks to subscriptions an image will reach a top level (credit) file faster. Since the levels have been removed from subscriptions, these plans have become more popular (which confirms that there are more sub downloads than before). It doesn't mean that less people use the credits system, credits continue to remain extremely popular and with the help of subscriptions they continue to pay a higher fee and a higher royalty to the photographers."
Quoted from Achilles ... in response to above complaint.

The obstinate hanging to this philosophy continues to amaze me --
Sure Subscriptions push images to higher levels
Where they continue to sell for 35 cents!!!



« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 15:35 by WarrenPrice »

« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2013, 15:29 »
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Everything is down this year.  It used to only take me 3-4 months to make payout this last one took over 6 months.

It's down everywhere.  It could be any combination of things but one fact is for me at least is buyers aren't buying like they used to.  * near flatlined.

lisafx

« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2013, 15:37 »
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Everything is down this year.  It used to only take me 3-4 months to make payout this last one took over 6 months.

It's down everywhere.  It could be any combination of things but one fact is for me at least is buyers aren't buying like they used to.  * near flatlined.

Totally agree Anita.  It's not just one site or another.  July is dead in the water across nearly all sites.  Even good old reliable SS has slowed way down for me. 

I just told my husband we are going to have to start budgeting like we did when he was the only earner.

Ron

« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2013, 16:14 »
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The only sites for me at this point plodding as normal is SS and 123. FT is slow at the moment, but still getting subs.

But.... PD CanStockPhoto and DP are absolutely dead, useless, nothing. 1 sale on CanStockPhoto, 4 sales on PD and a handful on DP.

CanStockPhoto used to get me about 15 sales a month, its dead in the water now.

GL never lived.

« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2013, 16:19 »
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This is the worst possible time for all of this crap on the sites to happen.  My family is in the worst possible situation out there and no one physically around us gives a crap we are basically on our own.

It's a completely frustrating situation that I hope none of you EVER have to deal with.

tab62

« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2013, 16:27 »
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by slumping that means that I would've been doing well in the past thus I have been in a slump since day one that I joined DT...

« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2013, 18:21 »
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Well ahead of FT (in $ if not DLS), more than double 123 but well behind SS (obviously).  It doesn't make sense to moan when a file with 25 dls sells for a 35c sub when we are happy to to take similar or less on other sites for files with hundreds of downloads.  The higher levels are still the ones that sell most often and I'm much happier with pricing based on performance instead of volumes derived simply from massive numbers of images.

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2013, 18:33 »
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This is the worst possible time for all of this crap on the sites to happen.  My family is in the worst possible situation out there and no one physically around us gives a crap we are basically on our own.

It's a completely frustrating situation that I hope none of you EVER have to deal with.
I'm sorry to hear that.  :(

WarrenPrice

« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2013, 19:15 »
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Well ahead of FT (in $ if not DLS), more than double 123 but well behind SS (obviously).  It doesn't make sense to moan when a file with 25 dls sells for a 35c sub when we are happy to to take similar or less on other sites for files with hundreds of downloads. The higher levels are still the ones that sell most often and I'm much happier with pricing based on performance instead of volumes derived simply from massive numbers of images.

Glad you're happy.  It bothers me almost as much as Achilles blowing smoke about subs and levels -- the same levels that used to be exempt from sub sales.

« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2013, 19:20 »
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Well ahead of FT (in $ if not DLS), more than double 123 but well behind SS (obviously).  It doesn't make sense to moan when a file with 25 dls sells for a 35c sub when we are happy to to take similar or less on other sites for files with hundreds of downloads.  The higher levels are still the ones that sell most often and I'm much happier with pricing based on performance instead of volumes derived simply from massive numbers of images.

What bothers me is that I made more money in November 2006 than I did in November 2012 at DT - their pricing model is working against them instead of for them.

And it's not about the price per sale alone (which is where DT ends up in the weeds) but the monthly total from your portfolio. It's OK to do 38 cent subs at SS (I don't like it but it's OK) because the volume is there. The sites that tried to ape SS forgot about the relationship between price and volume which left us with a few cheapo subs sales in place of the higher return credit sales. When roughly the same portfolio earns me 4 times more at SS than it does at DT, I have to think that DT's pricing is sufficiently annoying that it drives buyers away.

« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2013, 19:41 »
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Thanks Gillian.

Phadrea

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2013, 03:38 »
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This is the worst possible time for all of this crap on the sites to happen.  My family is in the worst possible situation out there and no one physically around us gives a crap we are basically on our own.

It's a completely frustrating situation that I hope none of you EVER have to deal with.

I hope things turn around for you and your family Anita.

« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2013, 05:10 »
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Warren, Joanne,

I actually agree with both of you but if you take your points and compare with FT / 123 where prices are as low or lower than SS (no decent ELs , SODS and very poor credit prices) but without SS volumes, DT looks pretty good.  Really no top 4, IS has blown it so we have a top 1 in SS and DT compares well with the rest of the 2nd division.

« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2013, 05:26 »
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Another things that irritates me is that they recently increased upload limits, which indicated to me, that the queues might be shorter and image inspection would move forward a bit faster. But no - images still need over a week to be inspected. Some of the slowest I know (even SS manages to move faster).

Dan

« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2013, 11:45 »
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     Had  a  $3  plus  sale  in  June  and  now  nothing  but  rejections.  They've  slipped  to  no.  2  for  me.  I  have  taken  to  uploading  sparing  there  and  unless  i  can  get  some  acception  and  sales  will  just  let  them  roll  to  the  bottom.


 

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