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« on: April 18, 2008, 09:19 »
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Here's a mystery - see if you can solve it on Dreamstime

1. Look at this image. Nothing spectacular or unusual right? (Note the keywords and photog's name)
http://www.dreamstime.com/blue-ornamental-floral-background-image3930591

2. Now look at this image. (Note the keywords and photog's name)
http://www.dreamstime.com/vector-abstract-image4778140

A mysterious coincidence? Two different artists sharing the same creative mind? One artist using two accounts?
My guess is that both artists are identical twins, separated at birth. One not even knowing the other exists.

The MIZ


« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 09:31 »
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how did they both get accepted ???

should not one be rejected with "we already have something like that?" ???

« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 10:26 »
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how did they both get accepted ???

should not one be rejected with "we already have something like that?" ???

It should be more like "we already have something EXACTLY LIKE THAT". If you look at the portfolio of 3rdimension, the range and quality of the portfolio does not compute. Overly simplistic backgrounds, huge 3d single block letters, but throwing in a few concept car renders for good measure. The overall flavor is not consistent. The one submissions is vector, yet the other is just a medium bitmap. My guess is something is fishy here.

I think I will send off a support note to DT for them to take a look.

Addition: I just sent off the inquiry to DT support on this.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 10:35 by snurder »



« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 11:20 »
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This one is a thief  >:(
http://www.dreamstime.com/red-flowers-image4626670

Many photos comes from known japanese stock photo

http://imagenavi.jp/search/detail-i.asp?id=00004808

http://www.sozaijiten.com/

He even dares to steal the second best earner at SS :

http://www.dreamstime.com/sunflowers-image4566854

 ::)





« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 11:38 by araminta »

« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 11:38 »
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Here's a mystery - see if you can solve it on Dreamstime

1. Look at this image. Nothing spectacular or unusual right? (Note the keywords and photog's name)
http://www.dreamstime.com/blue-ornamental-floral-background-image3930591

2. Now look at this image. (Note the keywords and photog's name)
http://www.dreamstime.com/vector-abstract-image4778140

A mysterious coincidence? Two different artists sharing the same creative mind? One artist using two accounts?
My guess is that both artists are identical twins, separated at birth. One not even knowing the other exists.

The MIZ


From a third artist
http://www.dreamstime.com/abstract-flora-image3826834

« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 12:28 »
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I think DT shouldn't have the same reviewers for illustrations and photos. I'm not a reviewer and yet knew this very popular Misha's image...

http://www.dreamstime.com/tree-background-image4607192

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/object/4484799_floral_background.php?id=4484799

« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 12:49 by latex »

CofkoCof

« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 12:43 »
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I think DT shouldn't have the same reviwers for illustrations and photos.
I also think they should review the additional formats when they review the image itself. Now it takes about a week before my .eps files are accepted.

« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 13:39 »
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Has anyone reported this person to Admin at Dreamstime?  If not I'll do it - we really shouldn't allow people to get away with this.

« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 13:44 »
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Has anyone reported this person to Admin at Dreamstime?  If not I'll do it - we really shouldn't allow people to get away with this.

I sent a message to DT, yes.

« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 14:13 »
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I seriously doubt any wrong doings. I am throughly convinced it's a phenomenon known
to scientist for many years. When identical twins at birth are separated, they still share,
and occupy the same thought patterns in the brain.

I believe the two artists created the same image, at exactly the same time, at different locations.
Whats all the fuss about?

The MIZ

« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 14:18 »
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why dont you report it to support?

« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 14:19 »
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Who? me?

« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 14:19 »
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I've also written to DT.

Miz, I understand your humor, but sometimes humor has to be put to one side while we deal with blaggards and thieves.........

« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 14:26 »
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Well, excuse me. I was not aware that some so self righteous people were also
self appointed "image police".

OK I will stand aside while you guys perform your self appointed duties.
Far be it from me to interfere with the process of law enforcement.

The MIZ

graficallyminded

« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 14:32 »
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 14:33 »
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well im not sure if that was supposed to be 0% sarcasm 50% sarcasm or 100% sarcasm.... ill take it as 50% sarcasm and respond.

Although perhaps tattletails are not the best thing either, i think it is important for us to watch eachothers backs.  Stealing photos is as serious as stealing anything else and should be stopped and I am glad that people have stepped up to bring this to Dreamstimes attention so they can look into it.  That is the beauty of the onlin community, that people can work together to find things like this out and bring it to peoples attention.

A nice little story for you:  There was an article in last weeks newspaper in Canada about a guy whose car got stolen on a test drive.  The car got never came back with the guy test driving it, and so the owner spewed his grief out on a forum and gave all the car info to the forum members.  12 hours later someone had spotted the car, 12 hours later forum members were following the car and had gotten pictures of the driver, had managed to find out his real name, pictures from his facebook profile, work place, highschool etc. etc. etc. .  24 hours later the police had been notified of where the car was and the thief was arrested :) 
ahh the beauty of the internet and working together!

« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 14:37 »
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here is a link to that forum thread of the stolen car

car stolen and found thread

ironarrow

« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 14:55 »
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I seriously doubt any wrong doings. I am throughly convinced it's a phenomenon known
to scientist for many years. When identical twins at birth are separated, they still share,
and occupy the same thought patterns in the brain.

I believe the two artists created the same image, at exactly the same time, at different locations.
Whats all the fuss about?

The MIZ

You made me fall off my chair :D

You are either extremely naive! (EXTREMELY)or extremely sarcastic ;D

Nice catch though! We should go after it and make sure the criminal is punished as deserved..

The only way I can justify it is maybe these guys work for an animation company and they worked together while modelling that bank vault so it belongs to all of them!!??

But what about the florals and japanese images???
« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 14:59 by ironarrow »

« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 15:12 »
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This guy is just trying to get money by selling pictures taken by others.

It's not about being inspired by others (as I am quite often), or even using some copyrighted artwork to build his own picture (a font, a shape, a silhouette etc.), it's just about downloading tons of commercial stock photos and trying to make money by seling them.

This is just plain stupid and he just get caught.

I know The MIZ that you do not sell your photos for the earnings (at least you pretend so) and I guess you don't care if someone just take your photo to build his own portfolio.

But I care.

« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 15:29 »
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The only way I can justify it is maybe these guys work for an animation company and they worked together while modelling that bank vault so it belongs to all of them!!??

But what about the florals and japanese images???

Kristy Pargeter is one of the most famous microstocker... do you think she works in the same animation company?
 ;D ::)


vonkara

« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2008, 15:33 »
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I want an extended liscence for this one :D

DanP68

« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2008, 16:03 »
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I have a model release from him.  It's just signed

T

« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2008, 16:22 »
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Here one more from user Zillman98 on DT

http://www.dreamstime.com/tutu-money-image4539143

Here is what I believe to be an original on Shutterstock

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1078047-stack-of-one-hundred-dollar-bills-u-s.html

I have sent a few nastygrams to DT.

Could probably find a lot more if you want to spend the time on it. This one was easy for me to find.

« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2008, 16:50 »
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I have a model release from him.  It's just signed

T

I think you got duped, because I know the real model and he goes by:

Mr. T

But seriously I can't believe that so many images are stolen.

Do you think that they actually buy the images (with a subscription possibly), or are they hijacking them somehow?

« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2008, 16:52 »
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And one more just for fun. Here is the DT version

http://www.dreamstime.com/microphone-image4568070

Here's the SHutterstock version I found

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2303158-retro-microphone-with-reflectors-on-background.html

So looks like Zillman98's most popular images can also be found elsewhere under a variety of different user names. Imagine that  :)



« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2008, 17:07 »
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He only joined DT in February 2008.  Since then he's uploaded over 1200 images.  Seems he's taken out a subscription at Shutterstock and is uploading all those images to Dreamstime.

« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2008, 17:11 »
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"Seems he's taken out a subscription at Shutterstock and is uploading all those images to Dreamstime."

Is there confirmation of this? Do you know this to be true?

The MIZ

« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2008, 17:21 »
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How stupid is this?? Here one snatched from Lumaxart2D, the artist who does all those Gold Guys.
 
The Zillman version

http://www.dreamstime.com/golden-cup-image4566239

THe Lumaxart2D version

http://www.dreamstime.com/baseball-sports-trophy-image596707

Ok I'm done - this one was the topper for me and the ultimate in thieving stupidity.


« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2008, 17:27 »
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"Seems he's taken out a subscription at Shutterstock and is uploading all those images to Dreamstime."

Is there confirmation of this? Do you know this to be true?

The MIZ


Many photos in his portfolio come from www.sozaijiten.com

Flowers from http://www.sozaijiten.com/sozaijiten.asp?vol=110
Food & Dishware http://www.sozaijiten.com/sozaijiten.asp?vol=170
and probably more




jsnover

« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2008, 17:33 »
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You guys have been doing better at finding the originals, but as I looked I knew I'd seen these images before.

However, I've been looking through this scumbag's "portfolio" on DT, I've noticed the amazing spam in his keywords - woman, women, summer,  beach, etc. in images that had none of those things.

I don't know why this portfolio is still up on DT - a couple of you contacted support earlier, right?

In addition to how so many images could slip through, I can't imagine why anyone would approve these keywords. They are pure, blatant, no-gray-areas spam.

As to the OP - this isn't the first time this has happened and we all need to look out for each other. It's clear the sites can't do this - why didn't any alarm bells go off before, I wonder.

lisafx

« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2008, 17:36 »
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I was wondering if anyone contacted DT about it also.  The images are still appearing...

« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2008, 17:42 »
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I was wondering if anyone contacted DT about it also.  The images are still appearing...

I just sent them an email.  I think someone else did allready too, but probably doesn't hurt if they get a couple - they for sure won't miss it then.  Has anyone else found his portfolio on other sites?

« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2008, 17:47 »
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Ok so It appears some of us have held court proceedings, and have found this individual GUILTY as charged (Thievery)

Now what is the penalty say you?

1. Take his birthday away for 6 years.
2. Make him sit in a corner facing a wall for 8 hours a day for 30 days.
3. Suspend his accounts and ask him to send an email of apology to everyone he snatched images from.
4. Be friendly with him and open up communications so we can understand "What was he thinking!"
5. Nothing since we do not have any authority to prosecute him any further.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all who made an effort and took time to investigate this matter.
You are a credit to the stock community, and we love you for it. I am proud to say I work along side you.

Good work, now lets make more images!

The MIZ
« Last Edit: April 18, 2008, 17:49 by rjmiz »

« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2008, 18:03 »
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You guys have been doing better at finding the originals, but as I looked I knew I'd seen these images before.

However, I've been looking through this scumbag's "portfolio" on DT, I've noticed the amazing spam in his keywords - woman, women, summer,  beach, etc. in images that had none of those things.

I don't know why this portfolio is still up on DT - a couple of you contacted support earlier, right?

In addition to how so many images could slip through, I can't imagine why anyone would approve these keywords. They are pure, blatant, no-gray-areas spam.

As to the OP - this isn't the first time this has happened and we all need to look out for each other. It's clear the sites can't do this - why didn't any alarm bells go off before, I wonder.

I doubt if the port is up elsewhere. The guy can't spell and you are right it is full of spam. I have fired off a few notes with image IDs and even SS and IS links to DT, the last one being the GoldGuys Baseball Trophy image. The Lumaxart2D user is a major DT contributor, so they have no choice but to take notice.

As far as hearing back from them, don't forget that they were probably gone for their weekend by 1 pm US Eastern Time, so email will probably not be addressed until the wee hours of Monday US Eastern Time.

« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2008, 18:10 »
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The MIZ, thanks for sharing your sense of humor and your wisdom.

You can now go make more images.... please.


« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2008, 18:12 »
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I'm really surprised that many of these images were approved.

So many of them are just instantly recognizable.  Don't the approvers know the work of some of the best microstock artists in the world?  If they don't, then they should be forced to study them.

« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2008, 19:27 »
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this is like traditional trader...buy cheap(from SS) sell high, he is using SS as wholesale store.

« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2008, 19:28 »
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So many of them are just instantly recognizable.  Don't the approvers know the work of some of the best microstock artists in the world?  If they don't, then they should be forced to study them.

Does DT show the contributor on the reviewer's screen?  I know CanStockPhoto said they weren't going to - so reviews were fair & anonymous.  If that were the case on DT, they would THINK it was a Lumax.

jsnover

« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2008, 22:08 »
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I don't know how reviews are done at DT, but I think it's a fair comment to say that having 1200+ images many/most of which were stolen from other contributors go through the review system in 2 months indicates they need to take a serious look at what they're doing to prevent this type of thing from happening again.

It's not that people will stop trying to pull these con games, or even that the sites fall for it initially, it's that so many images did in such a short time and none of it raised any red flags.

I looked at this user's referrals and noted one new photographer, Photosmillenium, for whom zillman98 is a favorite. I was staggered at what's been approved for him - page after page of simple bursts and sunrays, things that I'd never have thought DT would approve (very low quality work, IMO). I don't recognize any of the stuff though.

Then I noticed that a site admin, Anyra, lists zillman98 as a favorite photographer.  He certainly wasn't flying under the radar...


« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2008, 22:38 »
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I don't know how reviews are done at DT, but I think it's a fair comment to say that having 1200+ images many/most of which were stolen from other contributors go through the review system in 2 months indicates they need to take a serious look at what they're doing to prevent this type of thing from happening again.

It's not that people will stop trying to pull these con games, or even that the sites fall for it initially, it's that so many images did in such a short time and none of it raised any red flags.

I looked at this user's referrals and noted one new photographer, Photosmillenium, for whom zillman98 is a favorite. I was staggered at what's been approved for him - page after page of simple bursts and sunrays, things that I'd never have thought DT would approve (very low quality work, IMO). I don't recognize any of the stuff though.

Then I noticed that a site admin, Anyra, lists zillman98 as a favorite photographer.  He certainly wasn't flying under the radar...



Well that's quite interesting to hear. I don't submit too many fractal images, but just about everyone I do gets bounced. And the ones I do are not garbage either. A cuple of weeks ago, as a trial, I did a cherry blossom handmade paper looking background with cherry blossoms handcut from photos, and that got bounced. Then I look at this Zillman trash, the latest uploads all that nonsensical garbage fabric, and it just ticks me off.

Now that you mention this Anyra connection, I am furious. Because I look at my stuff, then look at that fabric trash, and ask "How?" I can't be so unlucky as t get Atilla the Reviewer everytime.

I really can't complain too much about the DT rejections because I do have a high acceptance rate. I am not a mega submitter. But in the case of the paper background, I did work hard to produce something very different for me, that looked very good, only to have it cast aside. Wanted to try the paper as they seem to sell well at DT.

« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2008, 22:53 »
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"it's that so many images did in such a short time and none of it raised any red flags."



I think I raised a flag when I started this thread!....no?

The MIZ

« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2008, 22:59 »
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Just found that Lumaxart2D is the first listed Fave Photog for this Zillman character. Well I guess if you fave him you can lift an image or two. That's just too ballsy.

ironarrow

« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2008, 23:03 »
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The only way I can justify it is maybe these guys work for an animation company and they worked together while modelling that bank vault so it belongs to all of them!!??

But what about the florals and japanese images???

Kristy Pargeter is one of the most famous microstocker... do you think she works in the same animation company?
 ;D ::)



I was just doing some useless brainstorming ;) This guy is obviously a clever idiot and should be punished.. I am gonna check his complete port to see if he has any of my images.. and if he does, oh boy he is in trouble.. I am gonna call the police..

and if he doesn't, I am still gonna call the police   :D

jsnover

« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2008, 23:17 »
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"it's that so many images did in such a short time and none of it raised any red flags."
I think I raised a flag when I started this thread!....no?

I meant at DT with their admins. I am not faulting you for raising the issue at all.

I do however think that if the sites are to have any credibility at all with buyers, they can't be flogging stolen goods. They also say they need ID to prevent fraud, and we have to demonstrate we're the copyright holders of any art we upload, etc. They make a lot procedures ostensibly to ensure that they only license stuff from the people who are legitimately allowed to license it. What's the good of any of that if they can't tell stolen images -the one you found was already on their own site, so a simple duplicate check would have unearthed a problem,

lisafx

« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2008, 11:41 »
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This also points out another issue.  I wish that DT and other sites would not allow people to "fave" you without permission.  Seems like faving someone is a really easy way to copy (or apparently steal from) people whose work you like. 

On istock you have to agree to have someone in your CN before they can add you.  Copying by some CN members is one of the main reasons I have turned off that option there.   

« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2008, 12:26 »
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I don't know how reviews are done at DT, but I think it's a fair comment to say that having 1200+ images many/most of which were stolen from other contributors go through the review system in 2 months indicates they need to take a serious look at what they're doing to prevent this type of thing from happening again.

It's not that people will stop trying to pull these con games, or even that the sites fall for it initially, it's that so many images did in such a short time and none of it raised any red flags.

I looked at this user's referrals and noted one new photographer, Photosmillenium, for whom zillman98 is a favorite. I was staggered at what's been approved for him - page after page of simple bursts and sunrays, things that I'd never have thought DT would approve (very low quality work, IMO). I don't recognize any of the stuff though.

Then I noticed that a site admin, Anyra, lists zillman98 as a favorite photographer.  He certainly wasn't flying under the radar...



Photosmillenium - I can't put my finger on it, but I can almost swear I've seen some of these images before. Particularly some of the busines bar graph ones with the silhouettes.

And on the Admin Anyra being the first to list Zillman98 as a faved photographer, well I just emailed DT specifically about that connection, so I definitely do feel my account suspension looming, keeping in line with the cloak and dagger and KGB-like behavior of some of the DT Admins.

« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2008, 12:36 »
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my goodness, are you guys thinking it's an insider ripoff?
this can open a can of worms... like why certain good photos are rejected from many of you long time members.

this could be exciting... and scary,, too (for a newbie!) :P
THIS IS NOT A LATE APRIL FOOL'S JOKE , is it? :D
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 12:39 by joma st »

« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2008, 12:43 »
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my goodness, are you guys thinking it's an insider ripoff?
this can open a can of worms... like why certain good photos are rejected from many of you long time members.

this could be exciting... and scary,, too (for a newbie!) :P

[/quote]

Everyone remember Joma said this and not me!  :) :)

Well, I questioned the Anyra link based on what has been discovered. It's just too fishy. Site Admins should be beyond reproach, period. In my opinion, they should not be allowed to market images, nor show favoritism towards ANY photog. A Site Admin should be just that, and nothing else.

« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2008, 12:52 »
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one thing is certain. he has to use his real name for getting paid.
so, if e.g. DT has his file, they could inform the others about him.

he wouldn't be using a fake name for that, as he wouldn't be able to get paid. :o

« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2008, 12:56 »
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my goodness, are you guys thinking it's an insider ripoff?
this can open a can of worms... like why certain good photos are rejected from many of you long time members.

this could be exciting... and scary,, too (for a newbie!) :P


Everyone remember Joma said this and not me!  :) :)

Well, I questioned the Anyra link based on what has been discovered. It's just too fishy. Site Admins should be beyond reproach, period. In my opinion, they should not be allowed to market images, nor show favoritism towards ANY photog. A Site Admin should be just that, and nothing else.
[/quote]

well, i just deleted all my photos waiting for reviewing from DT.
just in case  ;)
won't UL until this is solved.

jsnover

« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2008, 12:57 »
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He has to have a paypal account or Moneybookers account and I don't think their security requires a real name. They need a valid bank account (at least Paypal does) and they need to be able to deposit money in it (they do a couple of little tests when verifying your account) and they need an e-mail address that works. I don't think there is any guarantee that you have a valid name in any of that.

jsnover

« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2008, 15:24 »
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Back from my errands and notice that the thief's stuff is still up at DT in spite of Scott's thread (an admin says they need to investigate and to be patient and wait until Monday...).

Noticed that the guy has stolen from Barsik too - the red stage curtains:
http://www.dreamstime.com/stage-image4568279
http://www.dreamstime.com/curtains-image1648397

So I sent her a comment on her DT image - perhaps the more contributors with stolen images contact them, the more likely they are to just do something instead of  investigate.....


lisafx

« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2008, 17:30 »
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Someone on the Dreamstime board has posted this list.  Presumably these are all portfolios of stolen images.  I haven't had time to look at them all.

http://www.dreamstime.com/Muhamed2525_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Angolanka_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Missti_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Kassiu_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Darfa_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Jabloknet_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Mili69_info
http://www.dreamstime.com/Zabavne1488_info


None of these but the first (Muhamed) shows any images at all.  Don't know if the site managers have removed them or if they weren't there to start. 

« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2008, 18:32 »
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My personal opinion is that this might be a referral scheme of his. Zillman98 refers Muhamed2525, M2525 posts more pilferred images and sells, etc, etc etc. More stolen images spread across more users, and making money plus off of all of them. That's my theory anyway. The users with no images just haven't gotten started yet is all. Will take them at least 8 weeks to pump in 1200 mages. Quite a little scheme but I think it just imploded.

« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2008, 20:18 »
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Back from my errands and notice that the thief's stuff is still up at DT in spite of Scott's thread (an admin says they need to investigate and to be patient and wait until Monday...).

Noticed that the guy has stolen from Barsik too - the red stage curtains:
http://www.dreamstime.com/stage-image4568279
http://www.dreamstime.com/curtains-image1648397

So I sent her a comment on her DT image - perhaps the more contributors with stolen images contact them, the more likely they are to just do something instead of  investigate.....


good idea .  the owner is bound to be more concerned than the sites they contribute to.  so you have the right idea, find a theft, write to the photographer or illustrator.
they would raised hell  >:(

« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2008, 00:39 »
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How stupid is this?? Here one snatched from Lumaxart2D, the artist who does all those Gold Guys.
 
The Zillman version

http://www.dreamstime.com/golden-cup-image4566239

THe Lumaxart2D version

http://www.dreamstime.com/baseball-sports-trophy-image596707

Ok I'm done - this one was the topper for me and the ultimate in thieving stupidity.




OMG how stupid can you be to take one of the gold guys?? I surprised it didnt ring alarm bells with the reviewer.

I looked through his port and none of them mine at first yay! then I thought about, none of my images were even good enough to be stolen :(

oh well, just keep learning





« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2008, 15:15 »
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Just an update - the offending portfolio and a related one was shut down at DT approx 15:30 Eastern Time.

Posting because there are a few related threads on this.

« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2008, 05:34 »
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Miz

Just wanted to say thanks for bringing this to some light
3,000+ MIZ Points (miss your brand of sanity on the other forum)

and a special thanks to

NG (snurder?) for the messages.


 

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