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turkstockfotograf

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« on: June 27, 2017, 11:45 »
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I closed my dreamstime account. I had $ 94 on my account. They said they could not pay because it was not 100$. This is an robbery.

I closed my accounts on other sites for to be exclusively on istock. Other sites paid the remaining money. DreamStime is a site that needs to be avoided. >:( >:(


« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2017, 11:55 »
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Worst, Envato don't pay you if you quit, if your balance is not more than 50$ ... also, you need to contact them and confirm thrice that you really want to close your account. Maybe if you wait a little on dreamstime you'll get your 100$ balance

« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2017, 12:13 »
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It should be illegal for an agency to withhold final payment whatever the amount.

turkstockfotograf

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 12:43 »
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Absolutely I agree.  But I don't live in America. I can not complain to anyone >:(

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2017, 12:55 »
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... I don't live in America. I can not complain to anyone >:(
I thought DT kept your files online for some time after you deleted them?
Also, if it says in your contract that they don't pay under $100, you can complain anywhere you like, but it won't legally get you very far, even though it stinks. Unless it's deemed to be an "unfair contract"
"No Contributor shall be entitled to receive payment, nor shall Dreamstime be liable for any such payment, unless and until the total amount of that Contributors unpaid earnings exceeds One Hundred U.S. Dollars (US$100.00)."

Be sure to feed back on iStock in three, six and twelve months.

« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 13:13 »
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Be sure to feed back on iStock in three, six and twelve months.
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Frying pans and fires come to mind ;-)

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2017, 15:25 »
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You should make 100$ withdraw money and than close account!

« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 15:53 »
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You should make 100$ withdraw money and than close account!
Sure, but making $6 at DT make take you a lifetime :-)

« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 02:40 »
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Didn't you agree their rules while joining their doors? It's been said so many times - watch out who you join to! Reading documents you sign (or agree through the internet) is your MUST. For your own safety. After you decided to leave it was worth to contact them (DT) and ask to remind the rules or just read older threads here on the forum where many people before you annnounced their experiences and warned...

Some older users tried to help...

turkstockfotograf

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 03:37 »
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My English is not very good. I can not read all of those things. This is not ethical! This is not moral! Please, do not defend dreamstime site to me. I think everyone should stay away from these robberies. 

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 04:16 »
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My English is not very good. I can not read all of those things. This is not ethical! This is not moral! Please, do not defend dreamstime site to me. I think everyone should stay away from these robberies.

I don't think anybody is defending them... they're just saying that robbery is robbery, right enough, but if you check a box saying that you agree with the big long page that you didn't read, that stated "we are allowed to rob you, and as you've given us permission to rob you, then it's not actually robbery"... then as unethical or immoral as it may be, they're not robbers.

ShadySue

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 04:27 »
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My English is not very good. I can not read all of those things. This is not ethical! This is not moral! Please, do not defend dreamstime site to me. I think everyone should stay away from these robberies.

With iStock/Getty, you not only have to read their deliberately ambiguous contract terms ( which they regularly change, always to our detriment), but you also have to read between the lines for all the implications. You'll find with Getty that you have agreed to things you didn't even imagine, because their contract is written so vaguely, but always in their favour.
At least with Dreamstime, the contract said clearly that you wouldn't be paid unless you had $100.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 05:31 by ShadySue »

« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 04:38 »
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My English is not very good. I can not read all of those things. This is not ethical! This is not moral! Please, do not defend dreamstime site to me. I think everyone should stay away from these robberies.

I don't think anybody is defending them... they're just saying that robbery is robbery, right enough, but if you check a box saying that you agree with the big long page that you didn't read, that stated "we are allowed to rob you, and as you've given us permission to rob you, then it's not actually robbery"... then as unethical or immoral as it may be, they're not robbers.
Although in most countries there are laws about unfair contract terms so they can't do just what they like. In this case though I would say its unethical but not really "robbery"....this is business so lesson is to read what you sign up for. I don't like their $100 cap but if I only worked with sites where I was totally happy with their conditions  that would be a very short list ;-).

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 08:47 »
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I closed my dreamstime account. I had $ 94 on my account. They said they could not pay because it was not 100$. This is an robbery.

Can't you just ask them to re-instate the images and you wait for $6 more to withdraw? I'm sure they would carry out this simple commercial gesture.

« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 08:53 »
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Why not just buy something from yourself, so you reach the payout threshold?

turkstockfotograf

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 09:35 »
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Why not just buy something from yourself, so you reach the payout threshold?
This is typical american exploitation. I do not want to upload my photos again. I think I'm right.
Think about it You worked 29 days in a job. Then you wanted to leave the work.
The boss says:I do not pay you a salary
Why?: Because you have not worked for 30 days.
The only word to say is to boss: " Fuck OFF ! "
I'm not a beggar. I deserved this money.
I was just trying to write this message: Dreamstime is thief and Be careful in this regard


Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2017, 09:39 »
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Why not just buy something from yourself, so you reach the payout threshold?
This is typical american exploitation. I do not want to upload my photos again. I think I'm right.
Think about it You worked 29 days in a job. Then you wanted to leave the work.
The boss says:I do not pay you a salary
Why?: Because you have not worked for 30 days.
The only word to say is to boss: "  OFF ! "
I'm not a beggar. I deserved this money.
I was just trying to write this message: Dreamstime is thief and Be careful in this regard
Um, don't think Dreamstime is an American company actually but always nice to throw a bit of racism into an argument.
How would you feel if someone said "typical bit of Turkish playing the victim?" for example?

niktol

« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2017, 09:47 »
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Boy, that escalated quickly.

turkstockfotograf

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2017, 09:56 »
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Why not just buy something from yourself, so you reach the payout threshold?
This is typical american exploitation. I do not want to upload my photos again. I think I'm right.
Think about it You worked 29 days in a job. Then you wanted to leave the work.
The boss says:I do not pay you a salary
Why?: Because you have not worked for 30 days.
The only word to say is to boss: "  OFF ! "
I'm not a beggar. I deserved this money.
I was just trying to write this message: Dreamstime is thief and Be careful in this regard
Um, don't think Dreamstime is an American company actually but always nice to throw a bit of racism into an argument.
How would you feel if someone said "typical bit of Turkish playing the victim?" for example?
This is not racism. This is an american disease The name of the illness: "American capitalism or globalization" This is the order of exploitation. This disease has spread all over the world, unfortunately This disease is infected in my country, unfortunately. Exploitation all over the world.

ShadySue

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2017, 10:21 »
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You'd better get your big boy pants on for when you work out how Getty is screwing you.

The difference is that you signed a contract with DT where it was plain you had to have $100 to get your money.

It's never that clear that Getty is screwing you. For example in Premium Access, buyers pay a sum of money to Getty to be able to buy files from all their companies, often cheaply. We don't share in the premium, only in the sale, for which even exclusives get tiny royalties. That certainly isn't clearly spelled out in their contract in so many words.
Many 'awkward' questions on their forums just don't get answered, and their support is mostly limited to pre-formatted answers which aren't necessarily correct.
I have a lot of sympathy with people working in other than their native language, but I wouldn't sign a contract in a language I didn't understand.
I have had no dealings with DT and am not defending them, but you signed your agreement to that clause.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 18:34 by ShadySue »

Brasilnut

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2017, 10:39 »
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Dreamstime is headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee and Bucharest, Romania but we're pretty much international and employ people globally. Our staff are located in US, Romania, Italy, Portugal, Estonia, Russia, Poland, Australia, Holland, UK, Belgium and we're looking forward to add another location to this map.

https://www.dreamstime.com/careers/

« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2017, 12:46 »
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You should make 100$ withdraw money and than close account!
Sure, but making $6 at DT make take you a lifetime :-)
That's right.

It's not fair, I agree but as far as I know, no agency will pay you if you leave before you make payout.
I am at $90 and I fear it will take another year for me to make payout.   The closer you are to $100, the less downloads you get. I had 3 dl-s for $1.05 in May and 4 dl-s for $1.40 in June. They are holding and using our money as long as they can.

drd

« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2017, 13:02 »
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I closed my accounts on other sites for to be exclusively on istock

You are doing something really stupid!

« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2017, 13:27 »
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@turkstockfotograf I would like to know if the staff member who responded to your request for account closure did not remind you that you would not be entitled to any payment, because you had not reached $100. I know they would not be obliged to remind you, but it would be courteous behaviour. I'm interested to know how they responded.

turkstockfotograf

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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2017, 13:34 »
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@turkstockfotograf I would like to know if the staff member who responded to your request for account closure did not remind you that you would not be entitled to any payment, because you had not reached $100. I know they would not be obliged to remind you, but it would be courteous behaviour. I'm interested to know how they responded.

Dreamstime message  is :
"Thank you for contacting Dreamstime.

There must be at least $100 USD in the earnings for the payment system to accept a payment request through your account here:

https://www.dreamstime.com/request_payment.php

Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

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37027 USA"


 

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