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« on: October 22, 2009, 22:52 »
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Wow - two thumbs up to dreamstime.

If you haven't seen it already (I just saw the twitter post from MicrostockDiaries) that Dreamstime launched a new search results format where the images load as you scroll down the page.  So there is never a 'page 2' of results.  It loads the the first screen and as you scroll it loads the next row before you get there, so there is a never ending supply of images.  Very cool.  

Check it out.
http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_19061


« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 23:57 »
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That is pretty cool!  Should make it alot easier for buyers to scroll through alot of images instead of waiting for individual pages to load.

« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 00:04 »
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yeah and good for photographers who are stuck on page 2.  Since it is very seamless for buyers to get to more images - they will get to 'page 2' without knowing it....  or I feel it reduces the barrier that stands in the way to looking at more images.  It is easy enough to scroll just a little more and a little more.. and ohh, just one more time  and keep going.  The fact that there is always more images lower down keeps my curiosity up wondering what they are, instead of a hurdle to click and wait for yet another page to load.

zymmetricaldotcom

« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 02:41 »
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We tried this approach in the summer after seeing this approach being picked up on some sites, notably Bing's image search - however our own usability tests indicated the net effect on efficient browsing is ambiguous - yes there's no clicking paging buttons, but you still need to click and drag the vertical scroll - actually a more cognitively complex action: instead of a single click for the next results, you have a click and an X-Y dragging action, not only with the page scrolling but new content appearing in relation to your mouse actions.

The main issue seemed to be that it's really hard on the brain and eyes to mentally "file" the positions of a grid of images you've never seen before, then have them slide upwards in non-exact way and you need to re-relate them to the new images that have appeared. Causes a brain-fart after a while - at least in some users, probably some people are more able to work with results like this than others.

Here's a quote regarding the overall merits of this type of nav system which I can relate to:

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"Any navigational system for long lists needs to include two things: 1) landmarks and 2) a consistent positioning interface.

#1 is about remembering where something is and returning there. Like, oh, I saw that result up there by the top of the page. This matters whether pagination or scrolling is used.

But in order to navigate landmarks, you need #2: an interface for indicating position. Pagination does a decent job even if the page names are not particularly meaningful, you can easily get a sense of where you are in the list. (E.g. page 1 of 1000 = lots more to go.)

Endless scrollbars totally screw up #2. Its impossible to tell where you are in the context of the list, how long the list is, or how to get back to something in the list.

Ill agree with many here whove said that this (the Humanized approach) is a great idea but we still need to address some fundamental problems. That said, pagination is not the answer either. (Hopefully I dont come off as defensive of pagination, because I am not a huge fan.)

Either way, theres still room for an innovative solution to this classic problem."
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 02:45 by zymmetrical »

RT


« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 04:37 »
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.... but you still need to click and drag the vertical scroll
Treat yourself to a new mouse with a scroll wheel!


I think this is a great new feature, and very simple to use.


zymmetricaldotcom

« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 05:06 »
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.... but you still need to click and drag the vertical scroll
Treat yourself to a new mouse with a scroll wheel!

I personally rarely use the scroll wheel unless I see a very long text, like a blog page. Many users combine the two scrolling methods. In fact when I visited this DT example the first time, I obviously missed the instruction "scroll down" because I could not see what the new feature was and left after a few moments. 

Every web user has different habits and while there is no average user, there is an average of usability - if X% of your users come to such a page and think "hm only 20 images in the results" because that's all they see, and no expected page links, then that's an issue.  Anyhow time will tell if Bing, etc. determines these faults override the benefits of infinite scrolling.  Perhaps Bing leading the way will create a familiarity that paves the way for others to use this method with less friction.

RT


« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 06:03 »
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Implementing things like this that are aimed to assist buyers is something that puts sites like DT in the big 6, rather than treat it with negativity and opinions of how it won't work maybe you should learn from what is making the site more successful than yours.

« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 06:11 »
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We tried this approach in the summer after seeing this approach being picked up on some sites, notably Bing's image search - however our own usability tests indicated the net effect on efficient browsing is ambiguous - yes there's no clicking paging buttons, but you still need to click and drag the vertical scroll - actually a more cognitively complex action: instead of a single click for the next results, you have a click and an X-Y dragging action, not only with the page scrolling but new content appearing in relation to your mouse actions.

The main issue seemed to be that it's really hard on the brain and eyes to mentally "file" the positions of a grid of images you've never seen before, then have them slide upwards in non-exact way and you need to re-relate them to the new images that have appeared. Causes a brain-fart after a while - at least in some users, probably some people are more able to work with results like this than others.

Here's a quote regarding the overall merits of this type of nav system which I can relate to:

Quote
"Any navigational system for long lists needs to include two things: 1) landmarks and 2) a consistent positioning interface.

#1 is about remembering where something is and returning there. Like, oh, I saw that result up there by the top of the page. This matters whether pagination or scrolling is used.

But in order to navigate landmarks, you need #2: an interface for indicating position. Pagination does a decent job even if the page names are not particularly meaningful, you can easily get a sense of where you are in the list. (E.g. page 1 of 1000 = lots more to go.)

Endless scrollbars totally screw up #2. Its impossible to tell where you are in the context of the list, how long the list is, or how to get back to something in the list.

Ill agree with many here whove said that this (the Humanized approach) is a great idea but we still need to address some fundamental problems. That said, pagination is not the answer either. (Hopefully I dont come off as defensive of pagination, because I am not a huge fan.)

Either way, theres still room for an innovative solution to this classic problem."

The two points you mention are both very easy to address:
Just put a numbering scheme (like 1 of 12633) in the front of each line or beneath each picture. Done.
The total number of files matching the search is known in advance, you could simply show it and where you are in the list.

zymmetricaldotcom

« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 06:17 »
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Implementing things like this that are aimed to assist buyers is something that puts sites like DT in the big 6, rather than treat it with negativity and opinions of how it won't work maybe you should learn from what is making the site more successful than yours.

Frankly seems like your trying to bait me by a) not responding to what I wrote directly other than to imply I don't know what a mouse wheel is, b) implying a negative connotation when there is none, and c) slagging "my site".

You don't want to talk about UI's, that's fine, i'm outta here. 

« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 06:36 »
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I think the scroll thing is a non-issue.  I would think that the majority use the wheel on a mouse and a simple flip of the wheel will get you 20 new images.  Many stock sites have enough results that you have to scroll down to see page one anyhow and in addition - click page 2.  Dreamstime has simplified that and just shows a never ending page 1.  When I do image searches i always put the image count to the highest possible number so that I have to click 'next page' as few times as possible.

In regards to a point of reference - the images themselves are very good reference objects by their nature.  They are quite large and easy to identify from the next row.  I think most people have decent enough tracking skills and scroll on enough websites to combat this.

Lastly, if someone was searching for images, they would scroll to the bottom of the page to see what was there.  When I read a forum thread, or a blog post, and it interests me, I make sure I have seen the whole content before I moving on.  The only reason, I feel, someone would ONLY view the content above the fold is if they arrived at a page and could determine at quick glance that it was not what they were looking.

RT


« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 06:40 »
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Implementing things like this that are aimed to assist buyers is something that puts sites like DT in the big 6, rather than treat it with negativity and opinions of how it won't work maybe you should learn from what is making the site more successful than yours.

Frankly seems like your trying to bait me by a) not responding to what I wrote directly other than to imply I don't know what a mouse wheel is, b) implying a negative connotation when there is none, and c) slagging "my site".

You don't want to talk about UI's, that's fine, i'm outta here. 

No I'm not trying to bait you, a) you said "you still need to click and drag the vertical scroll bar" which you don't if you use a scroll wheel which I'd hazard a guess most people have on their mouse and probably use. b) You implied the negativity about Dreamstimes new feature in your first post by referring that you'd tried it and your opinion on that trial.

But I must be honest you do seem to come here and criticise other sites procedures, which IMO a) doesn't look professional for a site owner to give his opinion on another's business practice, b) carries no weight because to me it's a bit like a newbie contributor coming here and telling the top 5 contributors where they're going wrong and c) I didn't "slag" your site it's a fact that DT are more successful than your site.




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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 06:47 »
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Overload. I just keep on mindlessly scrolling, not noticing individual images, instead of concluding that I need to refine my search. Prefer the old way.

« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2009, 07:18 »
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I think the scroll thing is a non-issue.  I would think that the majority use the wheel on a mouse and a simple flip of the wheel will get you 20 new images.  Many stock sites have enough results that you have to scroll down to see page one anyhow and in addition - click page 2.  Dreamstime has simplified that and just shows a never ending page 1.  When I do image searches i always put the image count to the highest possible number so that I have to click 'next page' as few times as possible.

In regards to a point of reference - the images themselves are very good reference objects by their nature.  They are quite large and easy to identify from the next row.  I think most people have decent enough tracking skills and scroll on enough websites to combat this.

Lastly, if someone was searching for images, they would scroll to the bottom of the page to see what was there.  When I read a forum thread, or a blog post, and it interests me, I make sure I have seen the whole content before I moving on.  The only reason, I feel, someone would ONLY view the content above the fold is if they arrived at a page and could determine at quick glance that it was not what they were looking.

I'd agree. It works well for me. I think it is a feature that will appeal mainly to the regular customer and subscriber although I'm not aware how DT are informing buyers that the facility exists. If they are sending out emails I've never received one.

« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2009, 07:32 »
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Wow - two thumbs up to dreamstime.

If you haven't seen it already (I just saw the twitter post from MicrostockDiaries) that Dreamstime launched a new search results format where the images load as you scroll down the page.  So there is never a 'page 2' of results.  It loads the the first screen and as you scroll it loads the next row before you get there, so there is a never ending supply of images.  Very cool.  

Check it out.
http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_19061


Yep I'm a fan - its not like you don't have the option of a different browsing method if you choose to browse normally.

I'm assuming this will also benefit people with big screens that will have a whole big page full of thumbs that automatically fill their screen.

I tend to browse with a macbook, so scrolling isn't a problem for me - with double finger scrolling and a fairly slow connection this seems to work very well.

« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 07:56 »
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Overload. I just keep on mindlessly scrolling, not noticing individual images, instead of concluding that I need to refine my search. Prefer the old way.

I agree with this. Actually, I'd prefer it UI-wise, if it scrolled within an Iframe type thing to keep the rest of the regular page visible around it.

« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2009, 10:03 »
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Overload. Luckily I have my Flashblock on. I hate to get dizzy. It also sucks bandwidth. But if they like to play, it's fine. When I have to scout images for buyers, I prefer the normal view, since the thumbs are larger and I can find the previous pages back. It's simply not usable in real life, but if they like it, who cares.

« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2009, 13:36 »
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If they load as well as they do on the sample page, it is quite fantastic.  I, however, will have to come up with a new way of searching.  I know that most normal buyers would set up a light box, I usually search and jot down "page 2"  "page 6" where the shots I want are located.  You know how Amazon has a wish list - hopefully there is something that is easier to use than a lightbox that can be temporarily used. 

I get so very annoyed with 123 and MostPhotos because their pages take several minutes to load.  (Does it have anything to do with my geographical location - noone ever complains).   I hope DT doesn't turn into one of those sites....  it works so well.  But, with search engines like Bing presenting results this way, buyers will come to expect it.

« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2009, 15:35 »
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The effect is cool, however I think it is confusing for someone browsing images to know what he has seen or not. Also when you click on an image and then back to the results, there is a delay for thumbnails to load - just because there are so many of them, I guess.  I found it very annoying if you are further down the page.

I think it was holgs who suggested that the clicked image would appear on another tab - that might be better.  Also maybe still giving a limit of images in one result page - 100 perhaps.

How does it perform in dial up?

« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2009, 09:41 »
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Not so good for someone whose image is on the last page. Some customer's computers may be stuck before they reach the last image.

« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2009, 12:12 »
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You can reach the last page, if you want, by clicking it on the site. But it seems to me that it is nearly impossible to reach the images that are in the middle of the search results with the old system.
Mostly you can make jumps over about 5 pages. But would you do that several times?
I am curious if these images with number 1500 or higher show up quicker now on Dreamstime.
It's easy to scroll, scroll, scroll and then wait a moment until the images are loaded. You can quickly scroll up and down in your search results...
For what I've seen from it, it looks like a great idea...


 

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