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RolMat

« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2008, 20:33 »
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Well, please let me express my opinion. Dreamstime has proven to be one of the most consistent agencies in the stock market for me, especially since the beginning of 2008. Plus, I believe it is also known as an agency that rarely raises big controversies among members when new policies are implemented, which, in all honesty, I can't see on the their most direct competitors message boards (i.e. FL & SS). Further more, I guess it is also fair to say that they have been very innovative regardless all these market bumps, and still surprinsingly keeping this growing pace. And finally, management and support are also definitely worth of a note on their high professionalism. I only wish FL, for instance,  could follow the example.
By the way, DT is my second big earner, but I feel it's quite fair to wish all agencies could be so consistent and trustful.
Regards,


dbvirago

« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2008, 21:05 »
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BME last two months. Probably not this month

« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2008, 21:16 »
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Dreamstimes ROCKS!!!

rinderart

« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2008, 00:17 »
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Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.

CCK

« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2008, 01:32 »
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All indications are that this will be a BME for me - need only about $3 to get there!

« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2008, 03:22 »
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Not  true.  I rank between 60 and 70 on overall rank on Fotolia and dominate a lot of searches but at IS my images can barely be found in the searches.   
Same person same portfolio and completely different results
Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.

« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2008, 03:26 »
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DT was always been my second earner after SS. I just love it.

« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2008, 04:49 »
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Plus, I believe it is also known as an agency that rarely raises big controversies among members when new policies are implemented, which, in all honesty, I can't see on the their most direct competitors message boards (i.e. FL & SS).

Most of their new policies were well accepted, but the subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them, or even suggestions to limit size, etc.  In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.

Still, DT is a very good site.  If only they let us opt out from subs...

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2008, 10:37 »
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DT is also doing well for me. Its still #3 overall, but I'm seeing constant growth there, unlike IS which is dropping at the moment.

hali

« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2008, 10:40 »
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... subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them,..

In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.
agree , StockXpert is more communicative and less tyrannical in forums. after all, what else is the forum for?
to ask if there could be a change. if you are afraid to ask, like some sites , because if they don't like your question, they will block or cause you trouble, what's the point of a forum.
may as well change the name from FORUM to SAY NICE THINGS ONLY HERE.

lisafx

« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2008, 11:56 »
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Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2008, 12:15 »
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I totally agree with Lisa.  It seems to me that evertime DT 'pull' something the contributors end up better off.

Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

RolMat

« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2008, 12:53 »
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Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.

Sure, it's about what we upload. Literally. In the end, your fantastic port (and I mean it) probably won't sell the same way oin every site. And proporttionally and comparatively, sure you can trust more and expect more from one than another. Unless you are stating they all can be put on the same bag :P

RolMat

« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2008, 12:55 »
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Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

Totally agree, same thing happens to me.

« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2008, 14:36 »
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Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

Absolutely true.. Although StockXpert is a OK site, there is no comparison.. DT is always climbing and always fair and is consistent.. If I had to choose, between all sites except for SS (just SS and 1 other) it would be DT hands down.. All the rest are lagging pretty hard except for maybe fotolia and that is sometimes questionable as well unless your in the top teir..

« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2008, 15:34 »
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Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Yes.  First, when StockXpert introduced subscriptions, we were able to opt-out.  DT never even accepted discussing this, or giving any option to make subs more edible (such as limiting download sizes).  I had a thread about this closed or deleted (can't remember now), and it was a polite suggestion, not a angry complaint.

In the Photos.com deal, after questioning StockXpert, they changed their plans and at least decided people to opt-out.  Ok, there were other suggestions, but it seems to me that it was already a satisfactory compromise - or am I wrong about the recent thread about Photos.com being a worth choice?

In fact, I think the Photos.com deal was the only occasion when people really showed the strength we have as a group of contributors. There were threats of pulling out - some indeed did that before their final proposition - and this reaction certainly put a pressure on them, thus the change in agreements.  We did force FT also to change their subs too, but quite frankly it was a very weak result compared to what we had in StockXpert.  Had we showed that in DT, maybe we could have something different today - we have a very nice level system, but at the same time it makes subs more attractive and subs are too frequent for my taste.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2008, 17:25 »
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For those of us who are not doing so well at DT.

I have spurts where I do well, and then it dies.

I figure that tastes have changed with their buyers. The people who are doing well are either aware of what people want, or they are simply naturally gifted.

For me, the bigger I have built my portfolio, the less I seem to sell.

I am looking at changing the types of images I put there.

hali

« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2008, 19:12 »
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acrually, i like both StockXpert and dst, as well as BigStock as they , for my little portfolio, still give me sales. not a lot of money, but at least i get a few cents here, a few cents there. 

talking about dst, i just got another small sales 35 cents or something like that.
the funny thing is i am getting sales for images that are 7 months old.
do any of you find the same thing happening to you? with dreamstime and bigstock?
with StockXpert i get sales on the most recent.

why is that? can anyone explain?

« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2008, 23:37 »
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Most of their new policies were well accepted, but the subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them, or even suggestions to limit size, etc.  In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.


They listened and Achilles made a quite elaborate post about the issue in the Yahoo microstock group when the debate was at its azimuth. The point was that they did market simulations that showed that in general, subs would not eat into SPP but rather synergically provide sales that otherwise wouldn't happen.
Now you can have doubts about the business attitude of sites like SV, MP, LO, and others, but not about that of DT.
Apart from SS, it's clearly the best site business wise, and it proves it by its results. We aren't there to be pampered but to make money. DT is clearly homing in on its main competitor iStk and though DT can be tough sometimes to deal with, they don't employ Attila class reviewers and they don't look down apparently on (non exclusive) contributors like iStk seems to do.

Apart from my "law" #1 of microstock that no new site after 2005 will make it, I have a tentative law #2 (my 2 cents) that after the creative destruction in the arena of the microstock free market (currently in a fast acceleration phase), there will be only 2 main players left: SS for the bulk model, and DT for the mixed model.

As to forums, well, iStk is still the champion in stifling posts, in so far it has been ages since I checked that forum, let alone contribute. Buyers read forums too, and a site forum is one of the fronts of the enterprise. Disgruntled posts might turn off buyers or make them worried for instance about the sustainability of the subs model or policies in general. If we want to let off steam, we have our independent forum here, right? What do you prefer: a site with a frank forum like YAY and no sales, or a site with sales but a tightly monitored forum?

DT always made it quite clear that they have two parties to deal with, contributors and buyers. Buyers have wishes too, and as to the subs model, it would be quite confusing that some images can be purchased as sub and some can't. It would piss off buyers, and without happy buyers, less sales for contributors.

The main point was in fact if subs would eat into SPP. At Crestock it certainly does, but I still trust the DT policy for now, since subs in my case still aren't the majority. That might differ for the large contributors or for contributors with limited themes. A look at yesterday's sales at DT as a sample (3 subs, 5 SPP). Even 50/50 or 40/60 would do, a ratio that SS doesn't attain with its On Demand (3% for me this month).



Just as a side remark here: I have dry spells too, like one or two days without any sales at all at DT. Why sometimes there are spells of sales? It might have to do with occasional buyers wandering off into your portfolio and deciding purely based on visual search. This is suggested by the "n/a" in the table above (in fact half of all sales! Keywords alone are not the full story).
DT is the best in presenting both "More images from <your>'s portfolio" and "Similar images" from other contributors. It's a presentation that facilitates visual search enormously, both for yourself and for others.

Another remark: portfolio diversity seems to be very important to make visual search work properly, and also for the fashionable themes of the moment. I can imagine that a portfolio with only landscapes, cheering girls with headset and successful businessmen striking fabulous deals will be less in demand now at the start of the recession. In the above table 6 images are about the economy, China, greed and money. You just have to have them all I guess to have a sustainable sales profile and to avoid too many dry spells.

Just my 2 cents. Experiences and opinions might differ and mileage may vary too ;D
« Last Edit: November 18, 2008, 23:44 by FlemishDreams »

DanP68

« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2008, 00:36 »
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I want to thank many posters, particularly Lisa and Flemish, for being the voice of reason in this discussion. I cannot mention StockXpert in the same breath as DT after all they have pulled on contributors in the last 3 to 6 months.  Judging a microstock agency by the "freedom of expression" allowed on their message boards is preposterous.  I choose to judge them by how they treat their contributors, how upfront they are, and of course the amount of earnings they provide.

Revenue Per Download at Dreamstime continues to rise for me as images elevate levels, despite subscriptions.  This is exactly as was promised by Achilles/Serban and DT.  More importantly overall earnings continue to rise, which was also promised to us.  I've never seen DT "pull a fast one" since I became a contributor.

Honestly, I could restrict new uploads to only Shutterstock and Dreamstime beginning immediately and not have a second thought about it.  The combination of SS and DT has consistently provided me 60%+ of my total income for the last 12 months, and that percentage is growing as iStock falls off.  Sometimes I feel my only reason for contributing to several other sites is pure greed for that final 35%-40%, when clearly the return on time invested is minimal in comparison.  The amount of time it would save me to ignore the iStock disambiguation process, and the clunky upload interfaces of FT, StockXpert and BigStock, is rather fantastic.

The posters who continuously protest subs need to get out of microstock.  Subs are ingrained, and have been for years.  A more fruitful expenditure of effort would be to push agencies to increase the price of their subs packages, or decrease the amount of DL's allowed per day per package.  Or to switch to a model similar to that which Shutterstock recently implemented with their On Demand subs plan, which is far more a PPD plan than a subs plan. 

« Last Edit: November 19, 2008, 01:01 by DanP68 »

« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2008, 01:23 »
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Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members but I have 18 months experience with DT and my results there do not compare favorably with my best performing sites.  I think some of my problems may stem from a low acceptance rate early on.  It has taken me a long time to raise it to my current 58%.  I know that this factors into search results and I suspect that reviewers use it to decide how closely to scrutinize submissions - making it even more difficult to raise.  This policy tends to penalize contributors who are just starting with MS.  If I had to do it over I would not start with DT until I had some well established images to bring to my initial uploads to avoid the low acceptance rate problems.

My experience with StockXpert has been very different.  My acceptance rate is 90% or so - understandable since I started with images that had a good track record elsewhere.  My first full month with them was October 08 and they will be my number one site (among IS, SS, DT, FT, BigStock, 123RF) this month - surpassing the usual frontrunners SS and IS. 

Businesswise I don't have any serious problems with either site.  I think the controversies with StockXpert were overblown and something of an overeaction after the FT incident had raised the temperature.

Hopefully, StockXpert will not change too much due the new ownership.

fred

« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2008, 07:29 »
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Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members

Saw your port already at YAY after your forum post there. You have fantastic travel, landscape and architecture shots. The problem is that those really don't sell well in Microstock unless as part of a more varied port. You need more people shots since those sell best and they might drag your other images along and way up.

Hopefully, StockXpert will not change too much due the new ownership.

It will. Istock was a great and friendly site till Getty bought it.

grp_photo

« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2008, 09:40 »
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It will. Istock was a great and friendly site till Getty bought it.

LOL  ;D  they have been arrogant right from their beginning!

hali

« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2008, 09:51 »
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i tnink (emphasis "think") disgruntled contributors voicing their "opinions" in forums
are justified.
if you read what's been written here in this forum, there is a consensus:

IStock - tough and anal . shoot at your own risk, as exclusives will come to their defense and crap on you .

Dreamstime - tough, but level playing field, so very little complaints. even newbie get a fair share of the pie. (i say that, because i got my first sale with DST almost with my first submission, and since then has been getting sales, albeit little ones)

StockXpert - my favourite, due to their being responsive. also their rejections are clear and concise. when they say can resubmit, they mean it sincerely (my experience). you fix the problem the reviewer mentioned, and bang, your image is accepted instantly.

This point  for me , is a big ace to Stockxpert being my favourite, something IStock is never possible. CAN RESUBMIT...
but what do i correct? image rejected due to lens flare, off focus, no commercial potential, over-processing,etc..etc.. etc..
so, what is it you want me to correct? i make a guess, and it gets rejected again.
no commercial potential. frigging hell, what did you not say so, in the first place.
shoot!

Now with Getty and IS and StockXpert, we wonder if StockXpert will be anal as IS?
you know, maybe this is a channel to drive free agents out of IS and move them to StockXpert, so the forum in IS will be nice and la dee dah... with "woo hoo, sweet,
i got sales, smiles, rootie tootie I love my iStock ! lol"

dreamstime, Stockxpert, i will continue with both big time... and Alamy
too (my acceptance there is 100%, but then again, because of the size requisite, it could be that i am more vigilant as to what i upload there. thus, i never get rejected. maybe !)

is there anyone else i would join?  shutterstock scares me, as i am not one to feed the beast. i don't have the time.  and i am not the type to wait one month between rejections. 
so really, dreamstime gets my vote overall, if i have to choose a number one.
hey, looking at the votes here for Big 6, and basing it on the complaints we get for iStock and shitterstock,
i may be submitting to the next Big #1 : Dreamstime
woo hoo!
 ;)

« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2008, 10:19 »
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In my opinion Dreamstime is the most straight-forward microstock site. I haven't got a bad word to say about it so I'm going out for a cigarette.


 

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