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Title: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Fred on November 11, 2008, 03:54
DT has always been a strong number three but has recently - last two months - been underperforming and is now dead last - of my 7 sites -  for November with 0 downloads.  Others having this problem?

PS: Was it the Mcain/Palin pic's in their rotation that turned people off? (Didn't see any comparable Obama images there but maybe I missed them.)

fred

Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: stormchaser on November 11, 2008, 04:05
Last month a BME and this month is on another BME pace so far. Have been doing well with eco friendly and green theme images there.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Freezingpictures on November 11, 2008, 04:41
DT is doing well.Constant improvement of earnings the last two years. BME by far last month. And this month started well off as well.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: sharpshot on November 11, 2008, 05:10
BME's every month for the last 5 months and this month looks like another BME.  Closing in on istock.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lagereek on November 11, 2008, 05:34
Agreeing.  I think theyre doing pretty well.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Peter on November 11, 2008, 05:46
last month BME, and this month doing well too.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: fotografer on November 11, 2008, 06:20
Same here.
last month BME, and this month doing well too.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: peolsen on November 11, 2008, 07:44
Doing fairly well here too. IS, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Fred on November 11, 2008, 10:31
Well, maybe complaining helps.  Had my first sale since late Oct. right after starting this thread.  A $2.00 PPD.  Lucky me!!

c h e e r s
fred

PS: As you can see by my DT meter (thanks leaf) the drought probably has more to do with my miniscule portfolio than politics.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: sharpshot on November 11, 2008, 12:06
Keep uploading there and you should see a steady growth in sales.  Mine didn't take off until I had about 500 with them.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Pixart on November 11, 2008, 15:34
Fred, I have quite a small port as well but my sales seem to improve at DT each month.  I think if you go back and review each of your photos you may be able to improve your placement.

This shot of yours is gorgeous and there are so many perfect textbook aspects to comment about it - but buyers need to find it:  I think you are missing important keywords like:

one, woman, alone, hike, hiker, hiking, walk, walking, outdoors

(http://www.dreamstime.com/winter-hiker-thumb4707705.jpg)

I haven't looked too closely, but I also I noticed a photo of a sparrow that has sparrow in the title and description but not in the keywords so it will not be favoured in searches.

It's important on DT to have your most important keyword(s) in all three.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: kosmikkreeper on November 11, 2008, 16:04
DT might beat IS for me this month!!!!! And that's no easy feat! IS went from #2 to #4 in 1 month!
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: py on November 11, 2008, 16:07
BME's for last three months and doing well this month so far too.

You need to keep uploading and have a larger portfolio size to see more regular downloads, esp. as the number of contributors and online images increase daily in lightning speed.  And as pixart has pointed out, keywording is important.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: fritzER on November 11, 2008, 16:16
DT is going good for me too
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lisafx on November 11, 2008, 18:19
Add me to the list.

Several BME's in a row and this month is looking good too. :)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: CofkoCof on November 11, 2008, 18:22
Same here.
last month BME, and this month doing well too.
Same here.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: ragsac on November 11, 2008, 18:42
Agree with sharpshot when i reach 500 more DL follows. My BME last month and doing well this month also. :)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Talanis on November 11, 2008, 20:35
Add me to the list.

Several BME's in a row and this month is looking good too. :)
Add me too. If this month trend's continue, I'll have another BME.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 11, 2008, 21:17
maybe they got carried away with  politics, ie election, olympics,...
for which you can appear to be choosing sides. and when you do, you are bound to offend someone.  should have kept their editorials light.
also lately, they've been spotlight pretty odd stuff.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Fred on November 12, 2008, 01:31
Appreciate the helpful comments from everyone.  Will have to pay more attention to keywording - thanks Pixart - and try to build my portfolio faster.

c h e e r s
fred
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: MikLav on November 12, 2008, 02:59
DT was ok for me too for the last months. November seems a bit low, but it is only 12th of the month so too early to judge.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: katinelis on November 12, 2008, 05:01
for me it's worst month, I don't know why :(
cause october was one of bests
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: borg on November 12, 2008, 08:32
DT was ok for me too for the last months. November seems a bit low, but it is only 12th of the month so too early to judge.

Same to me!
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lagereek on November 15, 2008, 03:29
I think DT is just getting better and better and they got blinding fast editing as well.

Christian  ( with DT: fred 11)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 15, 2008, 09:10
they can't be doing too badly since they are now in 2nd place.
personally, DT was my best as a newbie, but things have slowed down since i gave them more images. funny thing is, my new shots are far better than those when i first joined.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: RolMat on November 17, 2008, 20:33
Well, please let me express my opinion. Dreamstime has proven to be one of the most consistent agencies in the stock market for me, especially since the beginning of 2008. Plus, I believe it is also known as an agency that rarely raises big controversies among members when new policies are implemented, which, in all honesty, I can't see on the their most direct competitors message boards (i.e. FL & SS). Further more, I guess it is also fair to say that they have been very innovative regardless all these market bumps, and still surprinsingly keeping this growing pace. And finally, management and support are also definitely worth of a note on their high professionalism. I only wish FL, for instance,  could follow the example.
By the way, DT is my second big earner, but I feel it's quite fair to wish all agencies could be so consistent and trustful.
Regards,
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: dbvirago on November 17, 2008, 21:05
BME last two months. Probably not this month
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: tubed on November 17, 2008, 21:16
Dreamstimes ROCKS!!!
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: rinderart on November 18, 2008, 00:17
Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: CCK on November 18, 2008, 01:32
All indications are that this will be a BME for me - need only about $3 to get there!
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: fotografer on November 18, 2008, 03:22
Not  true.  I rank between 60 and 70 on overall rank on Fotolia and dominate a lot of searches but at IS my images can barely be found in the searches.   
Same person same portfolio and completely different results
Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Dreamframer on November 18, 2008, 03:26
DT was always been my second earner after SS. I just love it.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: madelaide on November 18, 2008, 04:49
Plus, I believe it is also known as an agency that rarely raises big controversies among members when new policies are implemented, which, in all honesty, I can't see on the their most direct competitors message boards (i.e. FL & SS).

Most of their new policies were well accepted, but the subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them, or even suggestions to limit size, etc.  In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.

Still, DT is a very good site.  If only they let us opt out from subs...

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: travelstock on November 18, 2008, 10:37
DT is also doing well for me. Its still #3 overall, but I'm seeing constant growth there, unlike IS which is dropping at the moment.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 18, 2008, 10:40

... subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them,..

In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.
agree , StockXpert is more communicative and less tyrannical in forums. after all, what else is the forum for?
to ask if there could be a change. if you are afraid to ask, like some sites , because if they don't like your question, they will block or cause you trouble, what's the point of a forum.
may as well change the name from FORUM to SAY NICE THINGS ONLY HERE.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lisafx on November 18, 2008, 11:56
Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: fotografer on November 18, 2008, 12:15
I totally agree with Lisa.  It seems to me that evertime DT 'pull' something the contributors end up better off.

Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: RolMat on November 18, 2008, 12:53
Don't you guys understand?  I guess not. it's about you not the sites and, what you upload.

Sure, it's about what we upload. Literally. In the end, your fantastic port (and I mean it) probably won't sell the same way oin every site. And proporttionally and comparatively, sure you can trust more and expect more from one than another. Unless you are stating they all can be put on the same bag :P
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: RolMat on November 18, 2008, 12:55
Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

Totally agree, same thing happens to me.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: tubed on November 18, 2008, 14:36
Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Are we talking about the same StockXpert that put our images on photos.com and was giving away EL usage for .30 subscription price without even offering an opt out (until half their contributors threatened to pull their portfolios)?
And is this the same StockXpert that failed to record or pay royalties on sales from photos.com for over three weeks (supposedly because their ONLY PROGRAMMER was on vacation!?), until (again) contributors raised hell and demanded payment? 

Dreamstime has NEVER pulled anything underhanded with their contributors and has recorded sales and paid on time, every time, without hassle. 

There is absolutely no comparison between the two sites.  At least none that is favorable to StockXpert.

Absolutely true.. Although StockXpert is a OK site, there is no comparison.. DT is always climbing and always fair and is consistent.. If I had to choose, between all sites except for SS (just SS and 1 other) it would be DT hands down.. All the rest are lagging pretty hard except for maybe fotolia and that is sometimes questionable as well unless your in the top teir..
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: madelaide on November 18, 2008, 15:34
Seriously?!  You guys would rather deal with StockXpert than DT??

Yes.  First, when StockXpert introduced subscriptions, we were able to opt-out.  DT never even accepted discussing this, or giving any option to make subs more edible (such as limiting download sizes).  I had a thread about this closed or deleted (can't remember now), and it was a polite suggestion, not a angry complaint.

In the Photos.com deal, after questioning StockXpert, they changed their plans and at least decided people to opt-out.  Ok, there were other suggestions, but it seems to me that it was already a satisfactory compromise - or am I wrong about the recent thread about Photos.com being a worth choice?

In fact, I think the Photos.com deal was the only occasion when people really showed the strength we have as a group of contributors. There were threats of pulling out - some indeed did that before their final proposition - and this reaction certainly put a pressure on them, thus the change in agreements.  We did force FT also to change their subs too, but quite frankly it was a very weak result compared to what we had in StockXpert.  Had we showed that in DT, maybe we could have something different today - we have a very nice level system, but at the same time it makes subs more attractive and subs are too frequent for my taste.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: litifeta on November 18, 2008, 17:25
For those of us who are not doing so well at DT.

I have spurts where I do well, and then it dies.

I figure that tastes have changed with their buyers. The people who are doing well are either aware of what people want, or they are simply naturally gifted.

For me, the bigger I have built my portfolio, the less I seem to sell.

I am looking at changing the types of images I put there.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 18, 2008, 19:12
acrually, i like both StockXpert and dst, as well as BigStock as they , for my little portfolio, still give me sales. not a lot of money, but at least i get a few cents here, a few cents there. 

talking about dst, i just got another small sales 35 cents or something like that.
the funny thing is i am getting sales for images that are 7 months old.
do any of you find the same thing happening to you? with dreamstime and bigstock?
with StockXpert i get sales on the most recent.

why is that? can anyone explain?
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: null on November 18, 2008, 23:37
Most of their new policies were well accepted, but the subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them, or even suggestions to limit size, etc.  In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.


They listened and Achilles made a quite elaborate post about the issue in the Yahoo microstock group when the debate was at its azimuth. The point was that they did market simulations that showed that in general, subs would not eat into SPP but rather synergically provide sales that otherwise wouldn't happen.
Now you can have doubts about the business attitude of sites like SV, MP, LO, and others, but not about that of DT.
Apart from SS, it's clearly the best site business wise, and it proves it by its results. We aren't there to be pampered but to make money. DT is clearly homing in on its main competitor iStk and though DT can be tough sometimes to deal with, they don't employ Attila class reviewers and they don't look down apparently on (non exclusive) contributors like iStk seems to do.

Apart from my "law" #1 of microstock that no new site after 2005 will make it, I have a tentative law #2 (my 2 cents) that after the creative destruction in the arena of the microstock free market (currently in a fast acceleration phase), there will be only 2 main players left: SS for the bulk model, and DT for the mixed model.

As to forums, well, iStk is still the champion in stifling posts, in so far it has been ages since I checked that forum, let alone contribute. Buyers read forums too, and a site forum is one of the fronts of the enterprise. Disgruntled posts might turn off buyers or make them worried for instance about the sustainability of the subs model or policies in general. If we want to let off steam, we have our independent forum here, right? What do you prefer: a site with a frank forum like YAY and no sales, or a site with sales but a tightly monitored forum?

DT always made it quite clear that they have two parties to deal with, contributors and buyers. Buyers have wishes too, and as to the subs model, it would be quite confusing that some images can be purchased as sub and some can't. It would piss off buyers, and without happy buyers, less sales for contributors.

The main point was in fact if subs would eat into SPP. At Crestock it certainly does, but I still trust the DT policy for now, since subs in my case still aren't the majority. That might differ for the large contributors or for contributors with limited themes. A look at yesterday's sales at DT as a sample (3 subs, 5 SPP). Even 50/50 or 40/60 would do, a ratio that SS doesn't attain with its On Demand (3% for me this month).

(http://cjoint.com/data/ltepi68GFM_dtsales.jpg)

Just as a side remark here: I have dry spells too, like one or two days without any sales at all at DT. Why sometimes there are spells of sales? It might have to do with occasional buyers wandering off into your portfolio and deciding purely based on visual search (http://flemishdreams.com/index.php?view=article&catid=42%3Abusinessside&id=19%3Akeywordstrategy&option=com_content&Itemid=80). This is suggested by the "n/a" in the table above (in fact half of all sales! Keywords alone are not the full story).
DT is the best in presenting both "More images from <your>'s portfolio" and "Similar images" from other contributors. It's a presentation that facilitates visual search enormously, both for yourself and for others.

Another remark: portfolio diversity seems to be very important to make visual search work properly, and also for the fashionable themes of the moment. I can imagine that a portfolio with only landscapes, cheering girls with headset and successful businessmen striking fabulous deals will be less in demand now at the start of the recession. In the above table 6 images are about the economy, China, greed and money. You just have to have them all I guess to have a sustainable sales profile and to avoid too many dry spells.

Just my 2 cents. Experiences and opinions might differ and mileage may vary too ;D
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: DanP68 on November 19, 2008, 00:36
I want to thank many posters, particularly Lisa and Flemish, for being the voice of reason in this discussion. I cannot mention StockXpert in the same breath as DT after all they have pulled on contributors in the last 3 to 6 months.  Judging a microstock agency by the "freedom of expression" allowed on their message boards is preposterous.  I choose to judge them by how they treat their contributors, how upfront they are, and of course the amount of earnings they provide.

Revenue Per Download at Dreamstime continues to rise for me as images elevate levels, despite subscriptions.  This is exactly as was promised by Achilles/Serban and DT.  More importantly overall earnings continue to rise, which was also promised to us.  I've never seen DT "pull a fast one" since I became a contributor.

Honestly, I could restrict new uploads to only Shutterstock and Dreamstime beginning immediately and not have a second thought about it.  The combination of SS and DT has consistently provided me 60%+ of my total income for the last 12 months, and that percentage is growing as iStock falls off.  Sometimes I feel my only reason for contributing to several other sites is pure greed for that final 35%-40%, when clearly the return on time invested is minimal in comparison.  The amount of time it would save me to ignore the iStock disambiguation process, and the clunky upload interfaces of FT, StockXpert and BigStock, is rather fantastic.

The posters who continuously protest subs need to get out of microstock.  Subs are ingrained, and have been for years.  A more fruitful expenditure of effort would be to push agencies to increase the price of their subs packages, or decrease the amount of DL's allowed per day per package.  Or to switch to a model similar to that which Shutterstock recently implemented with their On Demand subs plan, which is far more a PPD plan than a subs plan. 

Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Fred on November 19, 2008, 01:23
Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members but I have 18 months experience with DT and my results there do not compare favorably with my best performing sites.  I think some of my problems may stem from a low acceptance rate early on.  It has taken me a long time to raise it to my current 58%.  I know that this factors into search results and I suspect that reviewers use it to decide how closely to scrutinize submissions - making it even more difficult to raise.  This policy tends to penalize contributors who are just starting with MS.  If I had to do it over I would not start with DT until I had some well established images to bring to my initial uploads to avoid the low acceptance rate problems.

My experience with StockXpert has been very different.  My acceptance rate is 90% or so - understandable since I started with images that had a good track record elsewhere.  My first full month with them was October 08 and they will be my number one site (among IS, SS, DT, FT, BigStock, 123RF) this month - surpassing the usual frontrunners SS and IS. 

Businesswise I don't have any serious problems with either site.  I think the controversies with StockXpert were overblown and something of an overeaction after the FT incident had raised the temperature.

Hopefully, StockXpert will not change too much due the new ownership.

fred
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: null on November 19, 2008, 07:29
Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members

Saw your port already at YAY after your forum post there. You have fantastic travel, landscape and architecture shots. The problem is that those really don't sell well in Microstock unless as part of a more varied port. You need more people shots since those sell best and they might drag your other images along and way up.

Hopefully, StockXpert will not change too much due the new ownership.

It will. Istock was a great and friendly site till Getty bought it.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: grp_photo on November 19, 2008, 09:40


It will. Istock was a great and friendly site till Getty bought it.

LOL  ;D  they have been arrogant right from their beginning!
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 19, 2008, 09:51
i tnink (emphasis "think") disgruntled contributors voicing their "opinions" in forums
are justified.
if you read what's been written here in this forum, there is a consensus:

IStock - tough and anal . shoot at your own risk, as exclusives will come to their defense and crap on you .

Dreamstime - tough, but level playing field, so very little complaints. even newbie get a fair share of the pie. (i say that, because i got my first sale with DST almost with my first submission, and since then has been getting sales, albeit little ones)

StockXpert - my favourite, due to their being responsive. also their rejections are clear and concise. when they say can resubmit, they mean it sincerely (my experience). you fix the problem the reviewer mentioned, and bang, your image is accepted instantly.

This point  for me , is a big ace to Stockxpert being my favourite, something IStock is never possible. CAN RESUBMIT...
but what do i correct? image rejected due to lens flare, off focus, no commercial potential, over-processing,etc..etc.. etc..
so, what is it you want me to correct? i make a guess, and it gets rejected again.
no commercial potential. frigging hell, what did you not say so, in the first place.
shoot!

Now with Getty and IS and StockXpert, we wonder if StockXpert will be anal as IS?
you know, maybe this is a channel to drive free agents out of IS and move them to StockXpert, so the forum in IS will be nice and la dee dah... with "woo hoo, sweet,
i got sales, smiles, rootie tootie I love my iStock ! lol"

dreamstime, Stockxpert, i will continue with both big time... and Alamy
too (my acceptance there is 100%, but then again, because of the size requisite, it could be that i am more vigilant as to what i upload there. thus, i never get rejected. maybe !)

is there anyone else i would join?  shutterstock scares me, as i am not one to feed the beast. i don't have the time.  and i am not the type to wait one month between rejections. 
so really, dreamstime gets my vote overall, if i have to choose a number one.
hey, looking at the votes here for Big 6, and basing it on the complaints we get for iStock and shitterstock,
i may be submitting to the next Big #1 : Dreamstime
woo hoo!
 ;)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: MarkFGD on November 19, 2008, 10:19
In my opinion Dreamstime is the most straight-forward microstock site. I haven't got a bad word to say about it so I'm going out for a cigarette.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: hali on November 19, 2008, 10:22
In my opinion Dreamstime is the most straight-forward microstock site. I haven't got a bad word to say about it so I'm going out for a cigarette.
mark, that nicotine drag is more dangerous to your health than an IS rejection,  ;D ;D ;D
(just kidding).
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: cascoly on November 19, 2008, 16:33
Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members
....... travel, landscape and architecture shots. The problem is that those really don't sell well in Microstock unless as part of a more varied port. You need more people shots since those sell best and they might drag your other images along and way up.

 

that's what i've found too -- landscape and travel shots sell less, but they do seem to have a longer half-life than other shots, so images a year or more old can still sell  - my main concentration has always been travel & adventure travel, but i've tried to round it out more in the last year.  still  ways from setting up a studio tho

steve
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: madelaide on November 19, 2008, 17:27
I think there is a bit of confusion here.  I like DT a lot, I never said otherwise.  When discussing site management though (that was my understanding of the debate), I do prefer what we have accomplished with StockXpert better than with DT.  They listened more (I remember Steve-oh coming here before subs was announced to discuss this with us).  They did not (in the end) take a one-side decision, and they left us an option other than "accept this or leave".

Problems.  StockXpert had the recent problem with Photos.com sales reports (not a problem for me personally, as I haven't joined this deal, but I understand the gravity of this).  DT has been reverting sales due to frauds or whatever, and twice they had problems with MB, leaving many of us temporarily without a payout.  So, nobody is a saint.

I have no complaints about Achilles, I guess, unless he is responsible for the "it doesn't matter what you guys think, we will do it our way" policy.  Closing or deleting forum threads is not his task, I think.

Subs in DT are sometimes too many.  When they began to be too many in StockXpert, I was able to opt-out and have no regrets - it's still my best earner.  DT may have gotten a share of the market as they wanted, but it's a share of the market _I_ never asked for.  _I_ chose not to join SS.  _I_ stopped uploading to CS as soon as I realized that the few images accepted were almost only generating subs sales.  Why can IS and StockXpert let me opt-out and DT and FT can not?

In the past months, earnings in StockXpert have always been ahead of DT for me, and overall StockXpert is also ahead of DT for me, though still behind IS.  Plus all that I've said above, _I_ have a better relationship with StockXpert than DT.  What doesn't mean I dislike DT, or that I think they are as inflexible as FT, but simply that I deal better with StockXpert than with DT. 

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: RolMat on November 20, 2008, 00:55
Most of their new policies were well accepted, but the subscriptions raised a lot of problems, and DT deleted posts against them, or even suggestions to limit size, etc.  In that respect, I think StockXpert is the best site to deal it, they let people discuss more freely, and they listen more.


They listened and Achilles made a quite elaborate post about the issue in the Yahoo microstock group when the debate was at its azimuth. The point was that they did market simulations that showed that in general, subs would not eat into SPP but rather synergically provide sales that otherwise wouldn't happen.
Now you can have doubts about the business attitude of sites like SV, MP, LO, and others, but not about that of DT.
Apart from SS, it's clearly the best site business wise, and it proves it by its results. We aren't there to be pampered but to make money. DT is clearly homing in on its main competitor iStk and though DT can be tough sometimes to deal with, they don't employ Attila class reviewers and they don't look down apparently on (non exclusive) contributors like iStk seems to do.

Apart from my "law" #1 of microstock that no new site after 2005 will make it, I have a tentative law #2 (my 2 cents) that after the creative destruction in the arena of the microstock free market (currently in a fast acceleration phase), there will be only 2 main players left: SS for the bulk model, and DT for the mixed model.

As to forums, well, iStk is still the champion in stifling posts, in so far it has been ages since I checked that forum, let alone contribute. Buyers read forums too, and a site forum is one of the fronts of the enterprise. Disgruntled posts might turn off buyers or make them worried for instance about the sustainability of the subs model or policies in general. If we want to let off steam, we have our independent forum here, right? What do you prefer: a site with a frank forum like YAY and no sales, or a site with sales but a tightly monitored forum?

DT always made it quite clear that they have two parties to deal with, contributors and buyers. Buyers have wishes too, and as to the subs model, it would be quite confusing that some images can be purchased as sub and some can't. It would piss off buyers, and without happy buyers, less sales for contributors.

The main point was in fact if subs would eat into SPP. At Crestock it certainly does, but I still trust the DT policy for now, since subs in my case still aren't the majority. That might differ for the large contributors or for contributors with limited themes. A look at yesterday's sales at DT as a sample (3 subs, 5 SPP). Even 50/50 or 40/60 would do, a ratio that SS doesn't attain with its On Demand (3% for me this month).

([url]http://cjoint.com/data/ltepi68GFM_dtsales.jpg[/url])

Just as a side remark here: I have dry spells too, like one or two days without any sales at all at DT. Why sometimes there are spells of sales? It might have to do with occasional buyers wandering off into your portfolio and deciding purely based on visual search ([url]http://flemishdreams.com/index.php?view=article&catid=42%3Abusinessside&id=19%3Akeywordstrategy&option=com_content&Itemid=80[/url]). This is suggested by the "n/a" in the table above (in fact half of all sales! Keywords alone are not the full story).
DT is the best in presenting both "More images from <your>'s portfolio" and "Similar images" from other contributors. It's a presentation that facilitates visual search enormously, both for yourself and for others.

Another remark: portfolio diversity seems to be very important to make visual search work properly, and also for the fashionable themes of the moment. I can imagine that a portfolio with only landscapes, cheering girls with headset and successful businessmen striking fabulous deals will be less in demand now at the start of the recession. In the above table 6 images are about the economy, China, greed and money. You just have to have them all I guess to have a sustainable sales profile and to avoid too many dry spells.

Just my 2 cents. Experiences and opinions might differ and mileage may vary too ;D



Very realistic post, and completely true on a most global vision regarding DST positioning on the market. For what it is worth for, my experience and opinions is exactly the same, as stated above. But you said it better and sraght to the point :-)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: Fred on November 20, 2008, 01:42
Well, I am very small potatoes compared to most forum members

....... travel, landscape and architecture shots. The problem is that those really don't sell well in Microstock unless as part of a more varied port. You need more people shots since those sell best and they might drag your other images along and way up.



Actually I think you may have me mixed up with someone else - I don't have a portfolio on YAY.  However, my portfolio on StockXpert is mostly travel and landscapes and I agree I need to get more varied stuff into it. 

My DreamsTime Portfolio is here -->http://www.dreamstime.com/lffile_portfolio_pg1 (http://www.dreamstime.com/lffile_portfolio_pg1)

I can't create a direct link to my portfolion on StockXpert but my username is lffile and you can do a search on that here -->http://www.stockxpert.com/browse_image/advanced_search (http://www.stockxpert.com/browse_image/advanced_search) if you are interested.

c h e e r s
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c h e e r s
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Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: null on November 20, 2008, 05:26
But you said it better and sraght to the point :-)


Maybe but your portfolio is much better. Did your drink all those champaign bottles yourself first?  ::) Whatever, great portfolio of overwhites of models and objects and in a very comfortable position too ;D

(http://www.dreamstime.com/successful-business-man-sitting-on-a-pile-of-coins-thumb6889588.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: sharpshot on November 20, 2008, 06:01
My earnings per download have increased since DT introduced subs.  They have increased prices and the downloads move images into a higher priced tier.

That is so much better than StockXpert, who have stuck to a ridiculously low 30 cents a download, with no increasing prices with downloads.
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lisafx on November 20, 2008, 10:04
I agree Sharpshot.  My earnings/sale have climbed steadily at DT, as have my overall earnings there. 

Not sure when they introduced subs, but my current $/DL is 1.35 compared with 1.01 a year ago. 
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: bbettina on November 20, 2008, 12:33
Initially I wasn't a great fan of DT.  I had all those rejections because of MRs that they had previously accepted and my questioning that in the forum led to my posts getting deleted (okay, right, they can do that, they have the legal right, but should they?  I think not).  Anyways, I just got 44/44 accepted and I am starting to like them more and more ;-) 
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: lagereek on December 07, 2008, 03:45
Its funny that. I find its selling really well for some 3 or 4 days, then all of a sudden it goes dead for a day or two, then stars selling again. Weird?
Title: Re: Whats up with DT?
Post by: dbvirago on December 07, 2008, 07:05
DT, BigStock, and FT are all like that for me. A rash of sales for a day or two, then nothing for a day or two. But after falling off earlier in the year, DT has climbed back into the #2 spot.