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lisafx

« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2009, 14:36 »
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Oh well, whatever, I knew the policy, so I guess its my fault for uploading to them in the first place

This about sums it up :)

I can relate to wanting to go exclusive somewhere else. I thought about it many times myself.   I can also relate to wanting to remove your images and being frustrated at the time and effort it takes to do that.  I might feel the same in your shoes.

What I don't understand is if you knew all this going in, why are you blaming the agency now?   How does this make DT "stupid"?


« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2009, 15:21 »
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It makes DT stupid for cornering its contributors by not allowing a mass de-activate button where they can de-activate all photos eligible.  Its not fair to the contributors in that regard.  I have a huge problem with that.

« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2009, 15:54 »
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Can't admin delete them?  It would drive me crazy deleting them one by one.  I can understand that some people abuse the system but those that go by the rules should be able to have their images deleted with the minimum of fuss.

« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2009, 15:55 »
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It makes DT stupid for cornering its contributors by not allowing a mass de-activate button where they can de-activate all photos eligible.

What other site has such a button? At least DT answers. Crestock hasn't any deactivate button and they even ignore mails.

« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2009, 16:25 »
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It makes DT stupid for cornering its contributors by not allowing a mass de-activate button where they can de-activate all photos eligible.

What other site has such a button? At least DT answers. Crestock hasn't any deactivate button and they even ignore mails.

Crestock deleted my account without any problems and replied very politely to my email where I asked them to delete it. But then I'm a small fish, and nothing they would regret tossing back into the sea. Also, I think it helps asking them in Norwegian. ;)

« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2009, 16:31 »
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Also, I think it helps asking them in Norwegian. ;)

Ah, they were probably afraid they would run into you in the street attempting to behead them. Well that's a great advice for those that want to get out of Pixmac: learn Czech!  ;D

« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2009, 16:38 »
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Also, I think it helps asking them in Norwegian. ;)

Ah, they were probably afraid they would run into you in the street attempting to behead them. Well that's a great advice for those that want to get out of Pixmac: learn Czech!  ;D

Or drop Fotolia.  That works, too :)

« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2009, 17:19 »
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SS says you can opt out of everything and your portfolio is unavailable for download.  Files are still there, but not available for sale.  So there's at least one site.


« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2009, 17:27 »
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What I don't understand is if you knew all this going in, why are you blaming the agency now?   How does this make DT "stupid"?


One thing are the 6 months compromise, known in advance. Another different matter is that after the 6 Mont's are due, DT could ease the process of deactivating files. After all, if the contributor should be thankful to DT for selling his photos, DT coiuld be thankful as well because for a period of time they have been having benefits from these photos. I don't thing anybody decided to leave will stay just because deactivating is slow and painful; all what happens is that they finally leave disappointed. It seems that nobody wins. 
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 17:31 by loop »

« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2009, 17:32 »
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To Fotolia's credit, you could withdraw any amount below $50, if you pay $1 or one credit fee.

However I am not sure if it is still the case.

tan510jomast

« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2009, 17:37 »
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It makes DT stupid for cornering its contributors by not allowing a mass de-activate button where they can de-activate all photos eligible.

What other site has such a button? At least DT answers. Crestock hasn't any deactivate button and they even ignore mails.

c'mon ichiro17 ole fella .. be reasonable !!!
like FlemishDreams say, AT LEAST DT ANSWERS . Also DT allows you to deactivate your images. Crestock? ...  pfft... hello, anybody home???  ::)
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 17:40 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2009, 17:54 »
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One site I just found out about requires that you upload your initial 10 review images to their Flickr style site where they can be downloaded for free until they are approved.

Ridiculous. What site is that?

The site that was announced on Linkedin. They are trying to make a merge of Flickr and the micros. They asked me to participate in the Beta. I did until I discovered that interesting issue. I can't remember the name of it right now.

« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2009, 19:48 »
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The site that was announced on Linkedin. They are trying to make a merge of Flickr and the micros.

Everything Flickr touches becomes dirt. They have this "free" and "sharing" obsession. I didn't notice on Linkedin but my network is not into photography.

« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2009, 22:09 »
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Do you  think it's stupid to lock the editing rights of a user who tried to put dirty words there and even emailed us about it?

Do you also think it's stupid not to have a bulk deactivation option so photographers disable files in revenge because they just received their first refusals? Without any concern given to other photographers who had to wait more because the pending line got bigger or that the agency reviewed their files for free?
Yes, it's stupid. If we really want to leave we have the right to. The way to make it as difficult as possible is not professional.
And when you change rules, for example when you introduce subscriptions, you should provide the easy way to leave, like one click button. We are not hostages.

« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2009, 02:45 »
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Do you also think it's stupid not to have a bulk deactivation option so photographers disable files in revenge because they just received their first refusals? Without any concern given to other photographers who had to wait more because the pending line got bigger or that the agency reviewed their files for free?
I would not say stupid, but in this case you are not very contributor friendly Achilles. Why do contributors have to disable tedious every single file, because there are some "black sheeps" who want to delete their files for "revenge"?  I would not want to do business which such a person who is so hateful to my agency anyway, why force him to stay a little longer?
See my case, I do not want to leave DT, I think its a great agency, but I have some very old files which are now far below my and DT's current standard. I want to delete them, but it takes just so long navigate to them and then disable them. When you then want to disable the next file, you start from the beginning and have to navigate again back to the old files which are way back in your portfolio.



« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2009, 05:03 »
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It's not making life difficult. The process is simple and was this way from a long time ago.
Like removing file exclusivity. Easy to check in impossible to check out.

alias

« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2009, 06:09 »
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It's not making life difficult. The process is simple and was this way from a long time ago.

This was about us not having a batch option and us being stupid because of that.
We don't plan to do a batch disable tool anytime soon and I already mentioned why.

Others may do it, it's up to them. I wouldn't call it stupid that we don't have a batch disable tool, that's all. We respond as helpful as we can and give all necesary details. It's true, a departure is sad, no matter the reasons. We realize there is more involved into that experience, but in the same time, we can't allocate admin time to this operation, considering the member is leaving. The option is there, just use it if you want.


This is not just about a policy or a set of policies. It is also about your attitude.

So there are 3 reasons why people should be cautious of involvement with Dreamstime. And this applies more to people with established portfolios who are perhaps coming over to microstock. People with small or new portfolios would be less affected.

The other 2 reasons would be the 6 month lock in and the complicated and difficult business of deactivating files 1 at a time. This means that Dreamstime is not a place to try, to see how it fits.

« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2009, 06:28 »
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So there are 3 reasons why people should be cautious of involvement with Dreamstime.

Those reasons are true in varying degrees for all sites. A lock-in is reasonable to leverage against reviewer fees and storage/db overhead, especially when the image didn't have enough time to sell to make up for it. It would even be acceptable to charge for a parking fee in case of withdrawing an image prematurely. There might be an odd site with a bulk removal tool, but I'm aware of none.

Joining an agent is a long time commitment from both sides. The agent invests in you as you invest in the agent. If you join an agent with the intention to leave, that's what I would call "bad attitude".

Of course you can be pissed off for a while by search algorithm changes and shallow reviews, but nothing in microstock is permanent, so the next year, it might all change and you might regret to have left. Even if you hate the guts of a site, you can stop uploading and just cash in once in a while. Deleting a port is a lose-lose situation with one exception, and that is when you want to go exclusive somewhere.

« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2009, 06:33 »
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To my mind there is much more that is good than is bad about Dreamstime, and at least those with an established portfolio can get it online.

« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2009, 07:57 »
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It's not making life difficult. The process is simple and was this way from a long time ago.

This was about us not having a batch option and us being stupid because of that.
We don't plan to do a batch disable tool anytime soon and I already mentioned why.

Others may do it, it's up to them. I wouldn't call it stupid that we don't have a batch disable tool, that's all. We respond as helpful as we can and give all necesary details. It's true, a departure is sad, no matter the reasons. We realize there is more involved into that experience, but in the same time, we can't allocate admin time to this operation, considering the member is leaving. The option is there, just use it if you want.


Just because the process of building gas cars are simple and easy and its been the same for 100 years doesn't mean that we should still use gas cars or not improve them.

With that attitude, DT is on pace to become GM. 

Oh well...
« Last Edit: April 07, 2009, 08:52 by ichiro17 »

« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2009, 08:50 »
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It's not making life difficult. The process is simple and was this way from a long time ago.


It sure sounds difficult.  Deleting thousands of images one by one.  You don't think that sounds difficult?

Simple for one image does not equal simple for a larger amount.

batman

« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2009, 09:55 »
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It's not making life difficult. The process is simple and was this way from a long time ago.


It sure sounds difficult.  Deleting thousands of images one by one.  You don't think that sounds difficult?

Simple for one image does not equal simple for a larger amount.

FUNNY YOU SHOULD BE IN HERE, mr sjl. I THOUGHT YOU WERE EXCLUSIVE WITH ISTOCK  8)

alias

« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2009, 10:21 »
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FUNNY YOU SHOULD BE IN HERE, mr sjl. I THOUGHT YOU WERE EXCLUSIVE WITH ISTOCK  8)

I cannot speak for Locke. But how the different agencies are to be with and what they are like to deal with, affects all of us in an ever changing industry. Whether we are with them currently or not. That sharing of information is one of the good things about this forum.

« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2009, 10:28 »
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FUNNY YOU SHOULD BE IN HERE, mr sjl. I THOUGHT YOU WERE EXCLUSIVE WITH ISTOCK  8)

I don't care who is xclusive where. Sjlocke is a fantastic and successful photographer not hiding behind aliases and I always value his opinion.


 

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