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« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2024, 08:47 »
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I don't understand why people waste their time uploading to Dreamstime
Maybe they do understand


« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2024, 11:06 »
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My average for dreamstime this year is around 77 cents.

I get most sales for 35 cents and sometimes  for 2 dollars, sometimes also a special sale for 15 dollars. Videos sell for 3.70 -  10.31

I have around 4700 files.

Longterm I hope to get a payout every three months but at the moment I am happy with one payout a year.

Upload is very easy and they usually sell files that never get a sale on Adobe, so I see it as an easy add on.


It will probably become interesting when I have 30k files...in 10 years or so...
Do you think in 10 years Dreamstime would be alive? I have read here, several times, microstock business is downhill! :)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2024, 12:17 »
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My average for dreamstime this year is around 77 cents.

I get most sales for 35 cents and sometimes  for 2 dollars, sometimes also a special sale for 15 dollars. Videos sell for 3.70 -  10.31

I have around 4700 files.

Longterm I hope to get a payout every three months but at the moment I am happy with one payout a year.

Upload is very easy and they usually sell files that never get a sale on Adobe, so I see it as an easy add on.


It will probably become interesting when I have 30k files...in 10 years or so...
Do you think in 10 years Dreamstime would be alive? I have read here, several times, microstock business is downhill! :)

The fact that they answer questions about why they can't pay at a lower amount, with a claim that the accounting would kill them, makes me read that as, they can't afford to have all the people, that are owed money, request to be paid. How many thousands of people are owed $50? (between $50 and $99 that is) If that could break them?

DT used to be a good middle agency. Reading the case against Google, DT was spending huge sums on advertising, which paid back. Then the sales dropped off and the advertising still had to be paid for. I think DT is hurting, but if they reduce expenses, can hold off.

Less advertising, means less customers, means less sales. Down to what we see as content providers, things aren't doing too well.

Barely ahead of Deposit or Panther in the poll. I'm not too confident that they will last ten years. I'll go with my theory, bottom line, when it costs money and the profits are less than the expenses, DT is a smart operation, they will shut down the site. What worries me, or should, is the contract says, they don't have to pay anyone that isn't owed $100.

Kind of a golden parachute for DT. 50,000 people at $40 would be $2 Million dollars.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2024, 13:40 »
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My best advice on Deadtime is:  Don't waste your time.  End of story

Re will they be there in 10 years.  Most likely not.  But then whole Human driven Microstock is likely to be extinct in favour of generative AI

« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2024, 16:03 »
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I have been hearing stock is dead since I started in 2005.

And unsplash and all the free files were supposed to be the last coffin.

Now it is nearly 2025 and here we are.

Stock might die if all the gaps in the collections are filled.

As long as literally everything is missing, there is still a lot of money to be made.

zeljkok

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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2024, 16:41 »
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I have been hearing stock is dead since I started in 2005.

And unsplash and all the free files were supposed to be the last coffin.

Now it is nearly 2025 and here we are.

Main difference:  There was no generative AI until recently.

« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2024, 16:54 »
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There are billions of free files.

What could be worse than free images?? Just look at flickr how many new free files are uploaded with a cc license every day.

Ai is hard work and takes a lot of time.

I see ai as a great tool to do interesting new things, it expands the creative opportunities.

Even if ai improves, you still need a producer with a clear creative vision and with ideas.

ai is not creative by itself.


« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2024, 17:04 »
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My average for dreamstime this year is around 77 cents.

I get most sales for 35 cents and sometimes  for 2 dollars, sometimes also a special sale for 15 dollars. Videos sell for 3.70 -  10.31

I have around 4700 files.

Longterm I hope to get a payout every three months but at the moment I am happy with one payout a year.

Upload is very easy and they usually sell files that never get a sale on Adobe, so I see it as an easy add on.


It will probably become interesting when I have 30k files...in 10 years or so...

I must agree with you sales is very low and I am not sure is worth my time :(

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2024, 20:17 »
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ai is not creative by itself.

AI is already quite creative.   I've seen AI images on Adobe more creative than 90% of human taken photos of same subject, and AI is still in its infancy, bound to get better.

Main point is that end customer, only one that matters, will be able to license (or pirat) AI Generative engine software, then say -using speech recognition- something like "Grand Canyon South Rim, Bright Angel Point Aerial Landscape,  Single Person standing admiring Crimson Sunset Sky",  and voila - here comes breathtaking, perfectly 'exposed' sharp frame, with no noise etc.   There will be no need for human photos, or human contributor AI generated photos.  Why bother when customer can do it all by himself,  and even if software is pirated just like there are tons of Photoshop pirated copies all over the place, not pay anything at all.

I wish you were right and I was wrong.  I am afraid opposite is true.

« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2024, 01:21 »
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Like I said there are billions of free and legally usable images already.

So why are people still buying stock?

Because they want the variety and inspiration.

Sunset over nature is easy to do in ai.

But try old lady doing yoga.

Suddenly you have to decid a million details

alone, in the gym, with a coach, indoors, outdoors, following an app, with a futuristic visor, which yog pose, what kind of lighting  - frontal, rembrant, diffise, hair up or down or short hair, a little sweaty and tired, or smooth and meditative, closed eyes?, what kind of clothes, nail polish on hands and feet? which ethnic group, how old exactly, frail looking, overweight

etc


to use ai properly you need to understand all the details that make a great imahe and give it vibe.

Otherwise you will just be prompting endlessly or just getting a near identical copy of what millions of others liked.

But browing a stock agency needs no visual media skills, you can just select from millions of choices.

And then maybe use ai to refine the selected image.

I know several people who tried to drop their stock contracts and just use ai, they all reactivated their contracts.

Those who were not trained photographers realized quickly they did not even have the vocabulary to describe what they needed and those that had a media background found browising a library with huge content much, much faster.

The problem not knowing exactly what you want and how to describe it will remain forever, no matter how much ai improves.

As for money the sales come to ports that do very, very detailed research into what is needed, not to those who just produce endless duplicates.

The ai cannot tell you what will sell.

So as long as the agencies have gigantic gaps in their collections, I will have a job.

I am not just selling images, I am selling solutions to questions.

The ai cannot see the question.

But anyone truly convinced stock is over, please organize your business life accordingly and focus your energy on your next project.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2024, 01:25 by cobalt »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2024, 13:14 »
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There are billions of free files.

What could be worse than free images?? Just look at flickr how many new free files are uploaded with a cc license every day.


Free images that are stolen? That could be worse.

Free images have no license, even if the claim is CC, there's nothing to protect the user from being sued. Any business wants some assurance that they are paying for a legal use.

AI generates free images that are created by the human that types in the description of what they want. Or would you argue that a photo is not creative, because it's just copying something that's already there, and only a painting, drawing or art, is creative.  :)

Microstock is dead and so is DT. Anyone who has been around for ten years, like many claim, has seen the return for the time and effort, drop and drop. Where many made some money, years ago, now it's less and less. The boom is over, the downside and decline, is on and getting worse, faster and faster.

Big 4 (not including Stocky which is realistic and not Microstock and is exclusive): Adobe, Shutterstock, Envato and Pond5. Really? The last three added together don't rate as high as Adobe alone, and some people here say that SS is their best earning stock site.


I have around 4700 files.

...I am happy with one payout a year.


You are smart, work hard, read the market and make many new files, but $100 a year makes you happy and that's success?  ???

DT is dead.

« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2024, 13:45 »
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I just restarted uploading 18 months ago. You know yourself it takes time.

The goal is to reach a reliable 400 dollars a year and looking at people writing here that seems very doable.

Several agencies bringing in 2-400 a year and suddenly it is 800-1200 more.

Why should I not take some add on money, for files that you can mass upload while waiting for the bus?

The self generated ai images have no legal protection at all. Only if you buy ai images via Adobe will a company get the legal protection of the Adobe license.

Another reason why many companies feel they cannot safely use ai, the legal limbo is too complicated and still in flux.

We anyway only sell to the people that really need a professional legal license and who value the time of their employees and understand that 5 minutes on a stock site is much faster than an afternoon prompting.

But thank you for the flowers...I am documenting my journey back to a full time income, because so many people have been genuinely concerned think that I am crazy with what I do.

But here we are, roughly two years later and I am already at a part time job level (minimum wage).

Next level will be a minimum wage full time income and then hopefully, maybe in 2026/27, I will be back with a real full time income.

We will see.

I am basing the project on all the empty gaps I see. If I ever have the impression the gaps are filled, I will move on.

But with millions of files missing and with video maybe 1 billion files missing, this job looks pretty endless from my angle.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2024, 15:04 »
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I just restarted uploading 18 months ago. You know yourself it takes time.

The goal is to reach a reliable 400 dollars a year and looking at people writing here that seems very doable.

Several agencies bringing in 2-400 a year and suddenly it is 800-1200 more.


You live on Cloud 9 my dear.   Microstock is dead.   But good luck to you anyways.


 

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