Author Topic: 3 identical clips found on Adobe Stock. (Read 3207 times)

blvdone · « **on:** June 22, 2023, 19:00 »

This one probably is the original based on the oldest clip ID #.
https://stock.adobe.com/video/Budget-business-chart%2C-investment%2C-statistics-and-report.-4K-animation-seaml/136586327

Identical clips.
https://stock.adobe.com/video/Gold-coins-stacked-on-a-sheet-with-line-chart/369612884
https://stock.adobe.com/video/Decimal-numbers-counting-over-shining-gold-coins-placed-on-a-grid-graphs-with-co/320389785

The latter 2 accounts are uploading service account. They can't/don't vet and detect thieves uploading stolen clips to them.
Also, I don't know why Adobe Stock couldn't detect those identical clips. Shutterstock can't either.

blvdone · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2023, 19:13 »

How did I find those?

The clips was and still is on a suspected thief's portfolio on Shutterstock.
https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-1012760765-finance-investment-money

So, I did reverse image search of the video thumbnail on Tineye.com
https://tineye.com/search/5ad4649339ecd9ec7ffd90e93ba5d5dba3babf6b?sort=score&order=desc&page=1

odesigns · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2023, 19:25 »

That's bad news for the Blackbox account. So many users clips are now at risk of going offline if it's reported.

blvdone · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2023, 19:43 »

Original?
https://stock.adobe.com/video/Sunset-blue-hour-timelapse-panning-shot-Brooklyn-and-Manhattan-Bridge-Traffic./186351466

Thief?
https://stock.adobe.com/video/Timelapse-of-New-York-City-skyline-during-rush-hour/439233637

blvdone · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2023, 19:46 »

Quote from: J_Stock on June 22, 2023, 19:25

That's bad news for the Blackbox account. So many users clips are now at risk of going offline if it's reported.

Thieves are definitely taking advantage of those uploading services.

gnirtS · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2023, 21:54 »

Outsourcing your work to a third party that contains a large number of shared unknown users who can abuse the system seems problematic at best.

blvdone · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2023, 22:25 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 22, 2023, 21:54

Outsourcing your work to a third party that contains a large number of shared unknown users who can abuse the system seems problematic at best.

Exactly.

blvdone · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2023, 08:34 »

I reported this to Adobe Stock, but Adobe doesn't take third party whistle blower claim at all unlike Pond5 and Shutterstock. So, if you are the original creator of the clip, you need to make a claim by yourself.

"If you believe that any Adobe Stock Asset infringes your copyright or other IP rights, please email [email protected]. Please include the file IDs of your assets and the file IDs of the assets you believe infringe your copyright or other IP rights. If you are working with other content licensing agencies, please make sure that this content has not been provided to Adobe Stock under such collaboration authorized by you.
If you have any questions, or to update your case, simply respond to this email.

Kind Regards,

Michelle Haarhoff
Adobe Artist Relations"

stoker2014 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2023, 08:45 »

Quote from: J_Stock on June 22, 2023, 19:25

That's bad news for the Blackbox account.

I propose to ban Blackbox. Through this service, it is very easy for scammers to sell stolen goods.

blvdone · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2023, 09:07 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on June 23, 2023, 08:45

Quote from: J_Stock on June 22, 2023, 19:25
That's bad news for the Blackbox account.
I propose to ban Blackbox. Through this service, it is very easy for scammers to sell stolen goods.

Those uploading services definitely got some problems with thieves uploading to them.

cobalt · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2023, 09:26 »

I am very happy with blackbox and they regularly remove thieves or stolen content. It happens to them like it happens everywhere.

blvdone · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2023, 18:58 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2023, 09:26

I am very happy with blackbox and they regularly remove thieves or stolen content. It happens to them like it happens everywhere.

How does the Shutterstock royalty tier system work for Blackboxguild contributors? Do you all collectively reach the highest royalty tier just because Blackboxguild has someone clips under its account despite thousands of different contributors within them? It sounds unfair if that's the case.

gnirtS · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2023, 21:11 »

Quote from: blvdone on June 23, 2023, 18:58

Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2023, 09:26
I am very happy with blackbox and they regularly remove thieves or stolen content. It happens to them like it happens everywhere.

How does the Shutterstock royalty tier system work for Blackboxguild contributors? Do you all collectively reach the highest royalty tier just because Blackboxguild has someone clips under its account despite thousands of different contributors within them? It sounds unfair if that's the case.

Yeah its highest tier *but* then theres the BB commission to take into account.

Last time i worked out the numbers it made sense for a low tier contributor who would never really advance up the levels in a year but for higher earners there's a cutoff point where it makes more money to do it yourself.
(on SS anyway).

On AS its pretty much better to DIY from the start as they dont have a tiered system.

cobalt · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2023, 23:52 »

Looks like the BB clip is gone.

eta:

There is just as much junk content in the p5 exclusive section as there is in the regular collection.

Pond5 is not stocksy, they don‘t select exclusive content by quality.

When Pond5, Alamy, istock distribute your files to other agencies, do you seriously believe that there is then an individual sales ranking? Or does all the content coming in from Dreamstime get the same ranking level?

Getty licenses content to over 200 partners. My files on vimeo come from pond5.

Welcome to the world of distribution deals in the stock industry.

As a pond5 exclusive you benefit from all the ranking and distribution deals pond5 makes on your behalf.

BB, wirestock, eyeem…and especially in macrostock, they all move their content around to many different agencies.

Even stocksy distributes to Adobe premium.

So perhaps instead of hating on smaller distribution partners, why not focus on your content on pond5 that you decided to give them exclusively?? BB is not stealing your sales, especially if you have deemed everything they have as worthless…

You made pond5 your only distribution agent. Which is perfectly fine, but your commercial decision.

I do believe pond5 should open a premium collection from their exclusive content that they promote heavily.

But now they belong to SS and that is probably unlikely.

I only have one file in my exclusive pond5 account. I first want to see how pond5 develops with the new owners.

What exactly are they doing for exclusives?

I mean you can just price your clips much higher in the normal collection as well and many do with good results.

I really appreciate your detective work, but the black and white thinking will not get you more sales.

Maybe being exclusive with pond5 if they don‘t heavily favor your content in ranking like istock does, is not ideal?

EtA2

just read the latest SS thread. Not encouraging.

How long until that systems comes to pond5?

They bought pond5 for a reason.

blvdone · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2023, 08:18 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 23, 2023, 21:11

Quote from: blvdone on June 23, 2023, 18:58
Quote from: cobalt on June 23, 2023, 09:26
I am very happy with blackbox and they regularly remove thieves or stolen content. It happens to them like it happens everywhere.

How does the Shutterstock royalty tier system work for Blackboxguild contributors? Do you all collectively reach the highest royalty tier just because Blackboxguild has someone clips under its account despite thousands of different contributors within them? It sounds unfair if that's the case.

Yeah its highest tier *but* then theres the BB commission to take into account.

Last time i worked out the numbers it made sense for a low tier contributor who would never really advance up the levels in a year but for higher earners there's a cutoff point where it makes more money to do it yourself.
(on SS anyway).

On AS its pretty much better to DIY from the start as they dont have a tiered system.

Wow. That's huge for low sale contributors who would otherwise stay at lower tiers. Totally unfair to all the other individual contributors though. This needs to be addressed by Shutterstock and be changed to average tier level of all contributors. Just unfair.

cobalt · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2023, 08:50 »

Quote from: blvdone on June 24, 2023, 08:18

Wow. That's huge for low sale contributors who would otherwise stay at lower tiers.

So when pond5 distributes your work you would prefer if they keep you on a lower tier instead of benefiting from their distribution advantage or anything they negotiated?

I suggest you write to pond5 and demand they keep you on less money.

But I suspect if the money comes to you, that is ok, because you are so brilliant and deserve it all.

ETA:

Send 300 clips to wirestock, BB or any other smaller place and test it yourself.

Wirestock even does keywording and descriptions, they are very popular with photo artists but also do video. BB allows you to work in teams and automatically allocate percentages to your models, camera people, post processors or the location.

Other companies have other advantages.

Does wirestock bring in more money than pond5 exclusivity?

pond5 is not artist exclusive. You are free to do what you want.

You sound very frustrated with your pond5 exclusive experience. Attacking other artists or driding them does not make you or or your portfolio look good.

Other contributors are not taking your sales away.

You made a decision to go exclusive with a place that does not promote exclusive content.

Was that a financially sensible decision??

ETA2

As for the "lower tiers" - wouldn't it be better if those agencies had a fair fixed percentage for everyone?

The way pond5 does? Or Adobe?

ETA3

Personal disclosure

I have 20 images on wirestock and 493 files with BB. I also have exclusive files on Stocksy and Westend which are being distributed through their dealer system.

And of course pond5, alamy, istock, dreamstiem, they all distribute my files all over.

I could save a lot of time and perhaps make more money by sending more images to wirestock. But images are my main genre, I´d rather distribute myself.

Video is my add on, so I am currently splitting it 50/50 between uploading myself and BB. Still trying to see if there is a genre that sells better either way.

On Pond5 currently only one lonely exclusive file. The main reason I am not feeding that port is because all the exclusives I know from pond5 seem very unhappy with their decision. That is unlike the people at istock or other exclusive places.

Sorry for the long post, but maybe some people can manage to read more than 3 sentences.

blvdone · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2023, 09:03 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 08:50

Quote from: blvdone on June 24, 2023, 08:18

Wow. That's huge for low sale contributors who would otherwise stay at lower tiers.

So when pond5 distributes your work you would prefer if they keep you on a lower tier instead of benefiting from their distribution advantage or anything they negotiated?

I suggest you write to pond5 and demand they keep you on less money.

But I suspect if the money comes to you, that is ok, because you are so brilliant and deserve it all.

ETA:

Send 300 clips to witestock, BB or any other smaller place and test it yourself.

Does wirestock bring in more money than pond5 exclusivity?

pond5 is not artist exclusive. You are free to do what you want.

You sound very frustrated with your pond5 exclusive experience. Attacking other artists or driding them does not make you or or your portfolio look good.

Other contributors are not taking your sales away.

You made a decision to go exclusive with a place that does not promote exclusive content.

Was that a financially sensible decision??

I don't understand why you are angry at me. I'm happy with being Pond5 exclusive only and keep my price where I want and not risking thieves stealing my clips by downloading on unlimited download subscription site. There's no low/high tier on Pond5 BTW. It's Shutterstock only BS.

blvdone · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2023, 09:21 »

cobalt · « **Reply #18 on:** June 24, 2023, 09:53 »

But that is exactly happening to you when Pond5 distributes your files.

So are you insisting that pond5 pays you less money?

No you are not.

BB is not the only distributor, all agencies distribute and many smaller places have content and pass it around.

So why are you hating BB so specifically? What are they doing different than stocksy? or Wirestock? Or Alamy?

Or Cavan? Heroimages?

Or Pond5 in their distribution deals?

There are hundreds of smaller agencies that collect and distribute content from allover the world.

where have you been all these years if you don't know that?

These accounts bring in a lot of files. Which is why they have the higher rankings. And can often negotiate their own deals.

Yuri Arcurs is probably the best known in the photo world. Has 30-100 people working for him. Keeps bring in new artist to produce under his label.

And of course he makes his own deals.

Africastudios, how many people sign up with them? Nobody knows.

cobalt · « **Reply #19 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:06 »

I think agencies should pay a fixed percentage and not make people go into a yearly rat race.

That would remove the unfairness. Because that system is unfair to single artists, I agree with that.

But I still don't get your problem with BB. A large percentage of stock everyhwere comes from labels who have a huge group of people working from them. Some just 30 others thousands. And then there is the content from the agencies that they all license to each other.

Where you personally benefit by coming in through the pond5 deals.

blvdone · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:07 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 09:53

But that is exactly happening to you when Pond5 distributes your files.

So are you insisting that pond5 pays you less money?

No you are not.

BB is not the only distributor, all agencies distribute and many smaller places have content and pass it around.

So why are you hating BB so specifically? What are they doing different than stocksy? or Wirestock? Or Alamy?

Or Cavan? Heroimages?

Or Pond5 in their distribution deals?

There are hundreds of smaller agencies that collect and distribute content from allover the world.

where have you been all these years if you don't know that?

These accounts bring in a lot of files. Which is why they have the higher rankings. And can often negotiate their own deals.

Yuri Arcurs is probably the best known in the photo world. Has 30-100 people working for him. Keeps bring in new artist to produce under his label.

And of course he makes his own deals.

Africastudios, how many people sign up with them? Nobody knows.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying with anger.

blvdone · « **Reply #21 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:09 »

BlackBoxGuild contributors on Shutterstock reach the highest tier of commission just because BlackBoxGuild account is so huge. This is totally unfair to all the individual contributors who upload and tag themselves. Small contributors who would never reach the higher levels end up at the highest level (minus BlackBoxGuild fee of course). This should be addressed by Shutterstock. BlackBoxGuild's commission tier should be capped at the average tier level of all individual contributors instead. Totally unfair to us individual contributors on Shutterstock.

cobalt · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:12 »

This should affect all your content from pond5 going out in distribution deals as well.

But you are hypocritically happy to take all the advantages being offered to you.

You only upload once to Pond5 and they distribute for you.

So does Dreamstime, Alamy, istock and many others. I have files on Canva through istock. I have files on vimeo from pond5.

Again, why the hate on BB?

And not all the others?

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/belchonock

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/WireStock+Inc

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/cavanimages

just easy examples.

Why not ask that SS pay a fair percentage to everyone instead?

That would solve the problem immediately?

33% for all, like Adobe.

blvdone · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:16 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 10:12

This should affect all your content from pond5 going out in distribution deals as well.

But you are hypocritically happy to take all the advantages being offered to you.

You only upload once to Pond5 and they distribute for you.

So does Dreamstime, Alamy, istock and many others. I have files on Canva through istock. I have files on vimeo from pond5.

Again, why the hate on BB?

And not all the others?

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/WireStock+Inc

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/cavanimages

just easy examples.

Why not ask that SS pay a fair percentage to everyone instead?

That would solve the problem immediately?

33% for all, like Adobe.

Pond5 distributes to where? They have Global program, but that's it. You sound incoherent and unreasonable. Have a nice weekend.

cobalt · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2023, 10:19 »

And where do the files in the global program go???

Are you saying you are not aware they distribute to other agencies? And have api deals with large companies?

gnirtS · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2023, 22:49 »

Quote from: cobalt on June 24, 2023, 10:06

I think agencies should pay a fixed percentage and not make people go into a yearly rat race.

I remember those days. Then SS realised it could hugely increase money with no extra expenditure by axing that system in 2020 or so.

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