Author Topic: 9 Million+ AI generated photos - Stock Photography coming to end (Read 24951 times)

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #150 on:** August 13, 2023, 05:51 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 03:17

Don‘t worry, I will get my money back.

Yeah, but others, including me, have already gotten their money back AND earned a multiple of it. So my point stands. You way does not seem very efficient.

Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 03:17

unless you pay for the private room everything on midjourney is public. And we have an army of aggressive copycats on our heels.

and with ai files you will not be able to file a dmca takedown complaint. copycats are free to upload the exact same image, or with subtle variation without any consequences.

Yea, but what does it matter? Public, not public. I have still earned much more money with AI than you and only spent a fraction.
Will I need to be able to file a dmca takedown complaint? Why? Why should I care. I have zero personal attachment to these images, I spent zero effort on them (expect for the keywords, which is the one part that is not public on Midjourney) and I hardly spent any money on them. A fraction of a cent per image a best. I really do not care. Unlike with my real actual photos, where I spend countless of hours of work and also money on. That's where I care. That's where I do not want my work to be stolen (which AI has basically done!!!!). I did not create these AI images! An AI did! I don't even feel like they should belong to me.
Microstock is about earning money. And if, at the bottom line, no matter whether "you will get back your money" or "images are public" or whatever else argument you try to bring forth, someone else is earning much more money than you, it all does not matter - The method of the person who earns more money is better than yours.

The ratio of how much you have spent on AI and what little you have earned back is insane! And you constantly use your own experience to explain how AI will not make real photographers pointless, how it will not bring down the microstock business and how not everyone can do it. How it was hard and took effort and money. When all of this is simply not true. Your method is simply not efficient.

You do not understand how EASY and CHEAP and FAST everyone could now make money with AI images.
Because you have not figured out for yourself how it works yet.

And once everyone finally figures it out no one will be able to earn any decent money anymore, because the pie is not big enough. Expect the companys who bulit the AIs. The only ones who will in the long run profit from this.

spike · « **Reply #151 on:** August 13, 2023, 11:27 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 03:17

He uploaded a lot more files, didn‘t he? 2000? I have 630.

Plus a lot of my content is seasonal, for christmas and now starting with easter, so the sales will come later. But for a good harvest you have to upload at least 6 months in advance.

And with the Adobe delay, maybe 9 months early. Hence…easter now, not October.

Everyone who is using midjourney doesn‘t have my cost basis.

I am not recommending to do it my way.

But I am not planning to use midjourney and I will not upload too many files in one go.

I am building my port very slowly with intention.

But for sales it is exactly like I said. Upload needed content, you get sales.

Upload stuff just for fun, no sales.

Don‘t worry, I will get my money back.

eta

unless you pay for the private room everything on midjourney is public. And we have an army of aggressive copycats on our heels.

and with ai files you will not be able to file a dmca takedown complaint. copycats are free to upload the exact same image, or with subtle variation without any consequences.

Everyone has to make their own decisions how to deal with that.

I have several thousand files good enough for processing and uploading. But I never upload a complete series in one go.

Not with photos or video or ai.

I would rather have a small port that is efficient.

But that is a personal choice.

If I'm looking at the correct portfolio, you have a lot of fantastical landscapes, steampunk, watercolor genAI stuff etc.

I get it, you're targeting a niche, but it may not be the most cost-effective use of your time.

I'm using SDXL on ComfyUI (previously SD 1.5 with various models), and spent $0 on producing any genAI images. Just electricity costs (25c per day) and some time to render them (I queue them overnight and wake up to 200 4k images to go through and select the best).

I have a lot of experience in automating workflows and finally found what works for me, so I'm experimenting with this. It's working well so far and I will continue.

Like with everything in life - the harder it is to make, the more value it has. Everyone can create images with midjourney. They all look the same and discord seems harder to automate. I haven't tried, so that's an assumption. Anyway, I would recommend to everyone to start producing genAI images that others can't easily replicate with midjourney. The more technical knowledge is needed (custom LORAs, nodes, prompting techniques), less people will be able to create it. I'm not concerned with sharing this information because I know how hard it is to make content like that, and 0.1% of people have the technical know-how of to do it. So even if I wrote it down step-by-step, most people wouldn't do it. To cut it short - yes, great to have a niche, but it has to be difficult to recreate and there has to be ample demand for it.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #152 on:** August 13, 2023, 16:12 »

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Madoo · « **Reply #153 on:** August 14, 2023, 00:18 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50

I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

Madoo · « **Reply #154 on:** August 14, 2023, 00:26 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 10, 2023, 13:27

You are making me a better ai artist...

AI ARTIST ?

If someone who uses Ai is artist....person with a remote control is movie director.

cascoly · « **Reply #155 on:** August 14, 2023, 14:31 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on August 13, 2023, 05:51

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Yea, but what does it matter? Public, not public. I have still earned much more money with AI than you and only spent a fraction.
Will I need to be able to file a dmca takedown complaint? Why? Why should I care. I have zero personal attachment to these images, I spent zero effort on them (expect for the keywords, which is the one part that is not public on Midjourney) and I hardly spent any money on them. A fraction of a cent per image a best. I really do not care. Unlike with my real actual photos, where I spend countless of hours of work and also money on. That's where I care. That's where I do not want my work to be stolen (which AI has basically done!!!!). I did not create these AI images! An AI did! I don't even feel like they should belong to me.
Microstock is about earning money. And if, at the bottom line, no matter whether "you will get back your money" or "images are public" or whatever else argument you try to bring forth, someone else is earning much more money than you, it all does not matter - The method of the person who earns more money is better than yours.

The ratio of how much you have spent on AI and what little you have earned back is insane! And you constantly use your own experience to explain how AI will not make real photographers pointless, how it will not bring down the microstock business and how not everyone can do it. How it was hard and took effort and money. When all of this is simply not true. Your method is simply not efficient.

You do not understand how EASY and CHEAP and FAST everyone could now make money with AI images.
Because you have not figured out for yourself how it works yet.

And once everyone finally figures it out no one will be able to earn any decent money anymore, because the pie is not big enough. Expect the companys who bulit the AIs. The only ones who will in the long run profit from this.

exactly - why spend time whinging about declining sales & following futile pathways when you could be making money with AI gen. i have an enormous backlog of images from my travels but mostly low priority. instead i'm working improve my AI images rather than submitting images that are already over-represented

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #156 on:** August 16, 2023, 07:45 »

6 days after crossing the 14 million threshold, Adobe Stock's genAI collection has topped 14.5 million - 14,502,719 this morning

Injustice for all · « **Reply #157 on:** August 16, 2023, 08:51 »

Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18

Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #158 on:** August 16, 2023, 11:46 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 16, 2023, 08:51

Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18
Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

Thank you, these thoughts were also in my head - but I do not always want to play here the etiquette and decency watchdog

Besides, mobile phone food photos from everyday life sell very well and are made quickly

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #159 on:** August 16, 2023, 15:31 »

Looking at today's new images in Adobe Stock's genAI collection is just depressing - it's littered with "oops" images - extra hand, objects malformed or missing bits or floating. Then there are multi-level wind turbines (which I predict will never be a thing, at least as pictured)

I'll call this the "We don't give a $h1t" collection

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #160 on:** August 17, 2023, 03:34 »

Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:26

Quote from: cobalt on August 10, 2023, 13:27

You are making me a better ai artist...

AI ARTIST ?

If someone who uses Ai is artist....person with a remote control is movie director.

Loghorrea Artist, that's for sure, but for the rest? I feel incompetent to assess...

synthetick · « **Reply #161 on:** August 17, 2023, 04:33 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 16, 2023, 15:31

I'll call this the "We don't give a $h1t" collection

Good finds! I've posted 3 of them in the AS Discord #qualitycontrol channel.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #162 on:** August 17, 2023, 06:41 »

Most of you bow down to praise the AI and enjoy to use it. Generating tons of AI images leaves you too much free time? Why complain then? do something else, watch other things, spend your time elsewhere and don't use AI. And stop promoting this nightmarish dream.

[edit]: Do you seriously think you have leverage to influence Adobe? They trace their path, a path that will narrow greatly for humans to whom they must donate part of their profits...

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #163 on:** August 17, 2023, 13:24 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 16, 2023, 08:51

Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18
Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

How do you dare to speak to Madoo in this way? Who are you and do you think you are better then Madoo?

Cobalt has a big mouth herself in her posts and she is surely not shy of insulting people. She is not an innocent cute little puppy to defend. She does almost only upload, indeed, pictures of her breakfast or other snacks she rans into. So the remark of Madoo is not at all ill placed.

The respect you think is missing with Madoo, is missing with you as well because you don't mind of having a big insulting mouth yourself to another person, do you?

First look into the mirror and then judge someone else

You have had a terrible upbringing yourself and please stop with your needless political correct, saviour like, replies. Doesn't make it any sense at all even if Ralf believes so (same upbringing, I guess)

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #164 on:** August 17, 2023, 15:30 »

Quote from: SVH on August 17, 2023, 13:24

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 16, 2023, 08:51
Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18
Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

How do you dare to speak to Madoo in this way? Who are you and do you think you are better then Madoo?

Cobalt has a big mouth herself in her posts and she is surely not shy of insulting people. She is not an innocent cute little puppy to defend. She does almost only upload, indeed, pictures of her breakfast or other snacks she rans into. So the remark of Madoo is not at all ill placed.

The respect you think is missing with Madoo, is missing with you as well because you don't mind of having a big insulting mouth yourself to another person, do you?

First look into the mirror and then judge someone else

You have had a terrible upbringing yourself and please stop with your needless political correct, saviour like, replies. Doesn't make it any sense at all even if Ralf believes so (same upbringing, I guess)

SVH, it's good to see that you've regained your old form in appropriate human social interaction - that must feel really good for you.

You may have forgotten - it can happen - that you have been kicked out of the forum already before for bad behavior
and have bullied and insulted other members here.

Such personal attacks against other forum members are completely unnecessary. That is not really an enrichment for the discussions and mood in the forum.

cascoly · « **Reply #165 on:** August 17, 2023, 15:42 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on August 17, 2023, 15:30

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SVH, it's good to see that you've regained your old form in appropriate human social interaction - that must feel really good for you.

You may have forgotten - it can happen - that you have been kicked out of the forum already before for bad behavior
and have bullied and insulted other members here.

Such personal attacks against other forum members are completely unnecessary. That is not really an enrichment for the discussions and mood in the forum.

yes, some of the personal attacks are getting close to being ban-worthy

thanks for trying to get this thread back on track

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #166 on:** August 17, 2023, 15:48 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on August 17, 2023, 15:30

Quote from: SVH on August 17, 2023, 13:24
Quote from: Injustice for all on August 16, 2023, 08:51
Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18
Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

How do you dare to speak to Madoo in this way? Who are you and do you think you are better then Madoo?

Cobalt has a big mouth herself in her posts and she is surely not shy of insulting people. She is not an innocent cute little puppy to defend. She does almost only upload, indeed, pictures of her breakfast or other snacks she rans into. So the remark of Madoo is not at all ill placed.

The respect you think is missing with Madoo, is missing with you as well because you don't mind of having a big insulting mouth yourself to another person, do you?

First look into the mirror and then judge someone else

You have had a terrible upbringing yourself and please stop with your needless political correct, saviour like, replies. Doesn't make it any sense at all even if Ralf believes so (same upbringing, I guess)

SVH, it's good to see that you've regained your old form in appropriate human social interaction - that must feel really good for you.

You may have forgotten - it can happen - that you have been kicked out of the forum already before for bad behavior
and have bullied and insulted other members here.

Such personal attacks against other forum members are completely unnecessary. That is not really an enrichment for the discussions and mood in the forum.

I only repeated an other mans words. What harm can that do? I would have expelled you a lot sooner. Mirror, mirror. You should have a look at your own comments. But probably blind to see your own faults.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #167 on:** August 17, 2023, 16:03 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 17, 2023, 15:42

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on August 17, 2023, 15:30
....
SVH, it's good to see that you've regained your old form in appropriate human social interaction - that must feel really good for you.

You may have forgotten - it can happen - that you have been kicked out of the forum already before for bad behavior
and have bullied and insulted other members here.

Such personal attacks against other forum members are completely unnecessary. That is not really an enrichment for the discussions and mood in the forum.

yes, some of the personal attacks are getting close to being ban-worthy

thanks for trying to get this thread back on track

No, the thread is about AI generated photos. Please carry on, I was just reacting to political correct persons here that went off topic.

cobalt · « **Reply #168 on:** August 17, 2023, 18:43 »

Quote from: spike on August 13, 2023, 11:27

Like with everything in life - the harder it is to make, the more value it has. Everyone can create images with midjourney. They all look the same and discord seems harder to automate. I haven't tried, so that's an assumption. Anyway, I would recommend to everyone to start producing genAI images that others can't easily replicate with midjourney. The more technical knowledge is needed (custom LORAs, nodes, prompting techniques), less people will be able to create it. I'm not concerned with sharing this information because I know how hard it is to make content like that, and 0.1% of people have the technical know-how of to do it. So even if I wrote it down step-by-step, most people wouldn't do it. To cut it short - yes, great to have a niche, but it has to be difficult to recreate and there has to be ample demand for it.

Couldn‘t agree more.

When I started to do ai for stock, I wanted to experiment with genres I have never done and lots of different art styles, oil paintings, charcoal, sketches …. things you cannot do with a camera.

Obviously…this is not highly needed content. It is a lot easier to make money taking pictures of ugly breakfast with an old mobile phone. Gets very reliable sales too.

Robots and fantasy are also completely new things.

But I didn‘t research them, in the beginning it was all just learning. And I wanted to do something that is as far away from photography as possible.

I admire that you can do it all on your own, certainly cheaper and absolutely private.

I like a lot of what I see online done by midjourney, but I don’t like what people are uploading to stock agencies. Very few people do something really interesting.

However I am sure this will evolve and there will be some really amazing visuals coming from a new generation of artists.

Costs have come down a lot for me, because now I have a little library of prompt basics for some genres.

Still another three themes I want to test and then I will have my 1200 ai files and I will learn from the customers what they like to buy.

Will it ever be as easy to make money as ugly social media food? Or easy travel and nature shots?

I doubt it. But it brings diversity and these are the early stages.

ai is here to stay and we will all still do it in 30 years.

eta

and if it all does not work out…another day, another breakfast…

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #169 on:** August 18, 2023, 08:43 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 16, 2023, 08:51

Quote from: Madoo on August 14, 2023, 00:18
Quote from: cobalt on August 13, 2023, 04:50
I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ? And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well...

But how dare you talk to a person like that?
And who do you think you are?Do you think you are better than someone else?
But no one has taught you a minimum of respect?

Why ignore that there can be people more competent than others? oh yes, with AI generation, everybody's equal in term of skills, that is a big change... for others

Are you writing this against Madoo or cobalt? I'm not sure that the person you denounce as being pretentious is the right one here. Which of the two believes and defines herself as an expert?

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge...” Charles Darwin

cobalt · « **Reply #170 on:** August 18, 2023, 10:22 »

Well I suppose I have been labelled as the expert in ugly social media breakfast food. But it is not my main income, that was just what sold on eyeem.

It's ok, people who cannot even make money with their breakfast...

I am sure they are superbly brilliant and everything they create is an instant top seller. No need to experiment and try things out. Especially not ai

eta: breakfast and lunch gave me 3-6 files today, including one handheld video.

I will be rich when I retire on my daily food musings.

spike · « **Reply #171 on:** August 18, 2023, 13:47 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 16, 2023, 15:31

Looking at today's new images in Adobe Stock's genAI collection is just depressing - it's littered with "oops" images - extra hand, objects malformed or missing bits or floating. Then there are multi-level wind turbines (which I predict will never be a thing, at least as pictured)

I'll call this the "We don't give a $h1t" collection

Adobe obviously outsourced the bulk of their reviewing to India, Pakistan, Vietnam and the surrounding countries.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #172 on:** August 19, 2023, 18:51 »

I don't know who or where reviewing is happening, but the results would be funny if it wasn't undermining stock images as a useful resource

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #173 on:** August 20, 2023, 11:07 »

Quote from: synthetick on August 17, 2023, 04:33

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 16, 2023, 15:31
I'll call this the "We don't give a $h1t" collection

Good finds! I've posted 3 of them in the AS Discord #qualitycontrol channel.

Thanks for posting. I note that they're all still there morning of 20 Aug, so possibly these aren't viewed as a problem any more? Or everyone at Adobe's hair is on fire because of AI content imitating the style of copyrighted works?

Mir · « **Reply #174 on:** August 20, 2023, 11:26 »

Many of the images on the Midjourney showcase are with texts ‘in the style of’ followed by artist name, or sometimes directly ‘by artist’, so it’s probably not a surprise. I suppose some of them uploading them to stock sites won’t include those names in their titles and tags.

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