Author Topic: 9 Million+ AI generated photos - Stock Photography coming to end (Read 33640 times)

synthetick · « **Reply #175 on:** August 20, 2023, 18:08 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 20, 2023, 11:07

Thanks for posting. I note that they're all still there morning of 20 Aug, so possibly these aren't viewed as a problem any more? Or everyone at Adobe's hair is on fire because of AI content imitating the style of copyrighted works?

Adobe doesn't remove the files themselves. Apparently the method they are using to clean up the Gen AI content is that firstly Adobe blocks the contributor, then the contributor has to write to support and get informed of the reason for their block, then they are given their account back so long as they agree to remove all problematic content within the time provided. (I have no idea how long they get.) If they do not do so in the time provided, they will get blocked again, or ......terminated. So when images that have been reported are still online there it's probably because that person's account has been left open for them to clean it up.

spike · « **Reply #176 on:** August 21, 2023, 07:56 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 19, 2023, 18:51

I don't know who or where reviewing is happening, but the results would be funny if it wasn't undermining stock images as a useful resource

Well I can tell you for sure that the reviewers are not US-based

How do I know? I'm checking the # of images in the database on an increased frequency, and there's a drop in the "images reviewed per hour" metric during the weekend (for obvious reasons), which disappeared overnight. When it was between midnight and 8am in the US, the images reviewed per hour picked up to normal weekday speed. So it's either Europe or the countries I mentioned. Due to the costs associated with this and the ease of offshoring, I bet on the latter.

cobalt · « **Reply #177 on:** August 21, 2023, 09:34 »

Quote from: synthetick on August 20, 2023, 18:08

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on August 20, 2023, 11:07
Thanks for posting. I note that they're all still there morning of 20 Aug, so possibly these aren't viewed as a problem any more? Or everyone at Adobe's hair is on fire because of AI content imitating the style of copyrighted works?

Adobe doesn't remove the files themselves. Apparently the method they are using to clean up the Gen AI content is that firstly Adobe blocks the contributor, then the contributor has to write to support and get informed of the reason for their block, then they are given their account back so long as they agree to remove all problematic content within the time provided. (I have no idea how long they get.) If they do not do so in the time provided, they will get blocked again, or ......terminated. So when images that have been reported are still online there it's probably because that person's account has been left open for them to clean it up.

That is a pretty smart strategy to "educate" producers and make them clean up their own mess. And if they don't drop their bad habits, they have to leave.

Not all people are ill intentioned, many are just ill informed. Especially if their first language is not English and some dubious youtuber or social media guru is "teaching " them the quick way to instant millions via Adobe.

wds · « **Reply #178 on:** August 21, 2023, 13:43 »

It's a little scary though. What if your not very skilled or knowledgeable regarding generating AI content and you didn't do anything intentionally problematic. Your account gets shut down? Shouldn't it be the inspectors job not to accept such content? What if you are a new photographer and your pics are not in focus or have some other technical issue. Your photos won't get accepted...that's fine....but the analogous situation would be if AS accepted out of focus images but then later shut down your account.....because they didn't reject your out of focus photos in the first place?

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #179 on:** August 21, 2023, 14:15 »

Quote from: wds on August 21, 2023, 13:43

It's a little scary though. What if your not very skilled or knowledgeable regarding generating AI content and you didn't do anything intentionally problematic. What if you are a new photographer and your pics are not in focus or have some other technical issue. Your photos won't get accepted...that's fine....but the analogous situation would be if AS accepted out of focus images but then later shut down your account.....because they didn't reject your out of focus photos in the first place?

Comparing not being able to produce images of high quality and therefore not getting your images accepted and breaking rules are completely different things.
There is no rule on Adobe that "forbids" you to submit images that are not in focus. There is now a rule that forbids you to submit AI images that are labaled as having used someone else's style. If you want to earn money with AI images it is YOR responsibility to read up about rules and restrictions both of the AI creator you are using and the agency you are submitting your images to. That's really the minimum of effort you have to take. "not being very knowledgeable" is no excuse, because the knowledge is out there, you have to read.

wds · « **Reply #180 on:** August 21, 2023, 16:49 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on August 21, 2023, 14:15

Quote from: wds on August 21, 2023, 13:43
It's a little scary though. What if your not very skilled or knowledgeable regarding generating AI content and you didn't do anything intentionally problematic. What if you are a new photographer and your pics are not in focus or have some other technical issue. Your photos won't get accepted...that's fine....but the analogous situation would be if AS accepted out of focus images but then later shut down your account.....because they didn't reject your out of focus photos in the first place?

Comparing not being able to produce images of high quality and therefore not getting your images accepted and breaking rules are completely different things.
There is no rule on Adobe that "forbids" you to submit images that are not in focus. There is now a rule that forbids you to submit AI images that are labaled as having used someone else's style. If you want to earn money with AI images it is YOR responsibility to read up about rules and restrictions both of the AI creator you are using and the agency you are submitting your images to. That's really the minimum of effort you have to take. "not being very knowledgeable" is no excuse, because the knowledge is out there, you have to read.

Valid points, but why would such an AI image pass inspection in the first place?...plus the rules are changing in real time.

cobalt · « **Reply #181 on:** August 21, 2023, 17:35 »

This is a historic change in art, maybe even the biggest in the entire history of human art.

There are no fixed long proven rules. Everything is evolving in real time.

Keep in mind that Adobe is the only agency that is giving us the opportunity to make money with ai images (ok, dreamstime takes them too, but few sales).

And they also give customers a beautiful new collection to browse. Yes, there are errors, but it is a process for all sides involved.

Of course the criminals (or misinformed) are taking the opportunity to evade the rules, spurned on by wild social media influencers promising easy money.

Personally I think for the situation Adobe is working at lightspeed under the circumstances.

Artist · « **Reply #182 on:** October 02, 2023, 21:08 »

And this number of 9 million has crossed 18 million by today viz. in approx 4 months

wds · « **Reply #183 on:** October 02, 2023, 21:20 »

Quote from: Artist on October 02, 2023, 21:08

And this number of 9 million has crossed 18 million by today viz. in approx 4 months

So is that about 10% of the collection?

alijaber · « **Reply #184 on:** October 03, 2023, 00:24 »

Now that Adobe uses those images to train Firefly, I can understand the rush to create a huge Ai collection.

Bauman · « **Reply #185 on:** October 03, 2023, 01:10 »

I see that AI has allowed many low-quality contributors to finally submit high-quality content.

Contributors with 40,000 bad images who struggled to make $100 a month now think they're making a lot of money.

But for me, it's a mistake. Sure, maybe they will make a little more money. Because AI has allowed us to raise the quality of jobs, but now they are all the same.

I struggle to distinguish the work of one contributor from another.

They are all identical, all with the same style.

And so in the end everyone will earn quite similar amounts. There will be a race to see who can upload the most.

And I think this will eventually tire customers who want to find something different from this mountain of boring images copied from artists and photographers of the past.

I think differentiating yourself from others will be the most important thing in the future.

I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

Mir · « **Reply #186 on:** October 03, 2023, 01:47 »

Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 01:10

I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

There will be no earning any ‘salary’ from AI images for contributors, clients will type what they want and pay to the big companies. At least that’s how I see it.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #187 on:** October 03, 2023, 02:57 »

Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 01:47

Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 01:10
I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

There will be no earning any ‘salary’ from AI images for contributors, clients will type what they want and pay to the big companies. At least that’s how I see it.

If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.

Bauman · « **Reply #188 on:** October 03, 2023, 04:48 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev Photography on October 03, 2023, 02:57

Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 01:47
Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 01:10
I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

There will be no earning any ‘salary’ from AI images for contributors, clients will type what they want and pay to the big companies. At least that’s how I see it.

If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.

I agree with you Mir. I didn't write it in my post, but what you say is true. Many customers will create their own custom images.

When I talked about salary, I was referring to those who do photography or illustration in a traditional way, without AI. The key is to differentiate yourself and communicate well with a blog, a YouTube channel, or a podcast. Often, those who buy images fall in love with the author's story or the process of creating the images.

I don't see a great future in uploading images to the big stock agencies. As for photography and illustration authors, only the best will survive. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe we need to invest time in improving the quality of our work, not in producing millions of useless AI images. Agencies will profit and build their own AI engine. But we contributors don't, the slices to be shared are too small.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #189 on:** October 03, 2023, 04:54 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev Photography on October 03, 2023, 02:57

If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.

1. No, it's not.
2. It's most certainly not more difficult than getting "exactly what you want" when searching for an image in a Ai image / microstock agency.

Mir · « **Reply #190 on:** October 03, 2023, 05:39 »

Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 04:48

I agree with you Mir. I didn't write it in my post, but what you say is true. Many customers will create their own custom images.

When I talked about salary, I was referring to those who do photography or illustration in a traditional way, without AI. The key is to differentiate yourself and communicate well with a blog, a YouTube channel, or a podcast. Often, those who buy images fall in love with the author's story or the process of creating the images.

I don't see a great future in uploading images to the big stock agencies. As for photography and illustration authors, only the best will survive. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe we need to invest time in improving the quality of our work, not in producing millions of useless AI images. Agencies will profit and build their own AI engine. But we contributors don't, the slices to be shared are too small.

My thinking is in line with what you wrote above, I don't think that non AI images will stop selling, but only a few will be able to continue making a living with it. My previous comment wasn't sarcastic or anything, sorry if it sounded like that.

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev Photography on October 03, 2023, 02:57

If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.

What Her Ugliness said.

Isard · « **Reply #191 on:** October 03, 2023, 06:25 »

Quote from: alijaber on August 13, 2023, 02:36

Quote from: Her Ugliness on August 13, 2023, 01:55
Quote from: cobalt on August 12, 2023, 10:44
Made 114.83 USD so far
But I have paid over 2000 dollars in credits for ai use

If you are spending so much more than what you are earning that makes you a bad example how not to use AI for microstock.

I've only spent $71.40 on AI and earned back a multiple of it. If I hadn't, I would stop spending money on AI.

My son spent the same exactly (71.4$) and earned 284$ in the last 5 months.

how have your son's revenues and downloads changed since your last review?

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #192 on:** October 03, 2023, 07:45 »

Quote from: wds on October 02, 2023, 21:20

Quote from: Artist on October 02, 2023, 21:08
And this number of 9 million has crossed 18 million by today viz. in approx 4 months

So is that about 10% of the collection?

More than 5%

blvdone · « **Reply #193 on:** October 03, 2023, 11:13 »

There are only 2.4 million AI generated photos on Adobe Stock. That’s roughly only 1% of total stock photos.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #194 on:** October 03, 2023, 11:57 »

There are 18,401,010+ items in the genAI collection, of which 2,428,094+ are tagged as photos, but many more than 2 million are photo-realistic. For quite a while contributors were required to submit genAI content as an illustration.

There are 365+ million items on Adobe Stock, 209+ million of which are photos, the biggest subset.

But as long as idiot "photos" like this (from today) are accepted, you have to wonder if we need another category - along with better keywords to cover the situation if you really want to depict a 3-legged woman:

"Beautiful young woman sitting in folding chair"

Keywords are rubbish such as forest, notebook, cyberspace, technology, along with useful ones such as woman, grass, outside, folding chair, etc.

This is neither a photo, nor an illustration, even if the 3 legs were on purpose.

Mir · « **Reply #195 on:** October 06, 2023, 10:18 »

Is this the same person with three different accounts or are they just copying the same title.
Charity illustration concept with abstract, diverse persons, hands and hearts. Community compassion, love, and support towards those in need.

ole999 · « **Reply #196 on:** October 07, 2023, 05:14 »

'Funny' .. was three legs part of the keywords ..?

I don't think the agencies even check keywords anymore except for banned terms. Apparently it's also quite easy to get a lot of photos accepted at Adobe via AI - see the three here. And strange hands and a lot of wristwatches ...

goober · « **Reply #197 on:** October 09, 2023, 23:43 »

After 12 years selling and 9 years full-time producing stock art I'm totally out. Deleted my last image this week.

Last week I got my mower serviced for $580. 2hrs labour and parts. It would take hundreds of sales of stock images to pay for that service and the people buying the art use it for years. They should be paying $40 to use it for 10 years and we should get at least 40% of the sale.

Opaque agencies sell art for a dollar and give the artist a few cents. Taking portfolio rights and training their AI systems without consultation. It's the most ridiculous business now. We have people just using AI to make new images as an intermediary step until AI does it all.

I have no more art online unless of course it turns up in some AI Frankenstein creation. I probably won't renew my Adobe subscription after more than 30 years of using their software. Bye.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #198 on:** October 16, 2023, 10:16 »

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9 Million+ AI generated photos - Stock Photography coming to end

Unfortunately, yes!
Just like film photography, vinyl record players, tape recorders, paper books and newspapers, corded telephones, optical discs and much more.
And stock photography is killed by production studios, united teams of stockers, and even single stockers because of their own greed and stupidity.
It doesn’t matter that artificial intelligence still takes clumsy pictures. It won't be long before he learns. And we will be "the last of the Mohicans." And yes, indeed, we will have to carry lawn mowers. But, however, this is only if by that time the lawns are not mowed by biorobots.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #199 on:** October 16, 2023, 11:28 »

Quote from: erik trikowich on October 16, 2023, 10:16

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9 Million+ AI generated photos - Stock Photography coming to end
Unfortunately, yes!
Just like film photography, vinyl record players, tape recorders, paper books and newspapers, corded telephones, optical discs and much more.
And stock photography is killed by production studios, united teams of stockers, and even single stockers because of their own greed and stupidity.
It doesn’t matter that artificial intelligence still takes clumsy pictures. It won't be long before he learns. And we will be "the last of the Mohicans." And yes, indeed, we will have to carry lawn mowers. But, however, this is only if by that time the lawns are not mowed by biorobots.

Already here: https://buyersguide.org/lawn-mowers/t/robot?msclkid=3cfaf996b37c17edb8e79cbbd0501e2e&m=e&d=c&c=74011169756934&oid=kwd-74011059969351:loc-4133&qs=robot%20lawn%20mower&lp=105822&li=&nw=o&nts=1&tdid=8844783

Of all the things you listed, the one that seems to be surviving is paper books. For some reason, people still enjoy a good book, rather than a computer screen. All the rest have been made obsolete by newer technology that does a better job. I'm not convinced that AI/Machine Learning does a better job. I'm not hoping that it does for a while.

A computer can do some things, that humans have taught or programmed, but it can't reason or know function, or why. That's why 3 arms, 7 toes, or mechanical things, just get mashed into flawed and often impossible combinations.

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