Author Topic: Adobe AI content double standards (Read 21817 times)

Madoo · « **on:** September 29, 2023, 00:51 »

Can anyone please explain something to me ?

As it is stated in Adobe stock submission guidelines contributors must upload AI generated images as photos and illustrations.
NOT VECTORS.
As they stated those are only two type of files that they are accepting.
Even during file submission that pop-up window threat contributors to check AI generated "work"

So, then...how it is even possible that AI generated vectors can be accepted in a collection ? As far I can see there is more and more of them accepted in a collection.
Not to mention that there are obvious spammers taking over collection by sending tons and tons of AI generated vectors such as this one :

https://stock.adobe.com/images/express-lane-sign-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651729575?asset_id=651729575
https://stock.adobe.com/images/benedict-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651363941?asset_id=651363941
https://stock.adobe.com/images/car-lift-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651359223?asset_id=651359223
https://stock.adobe.com/images/present-ribbon-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651361041?asset_id=651361041
https://sthttps://stock.adobe.com/images/embroidery-hoop-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360648?
https://stock.adobe.com/images/wheel-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360307?asset_id=651360307

And many more....
just type japan web in a search bar ( title is searchable - this spammer add that phrase in each title so he can check what is accepted from which account) than select vectors > most recent
Same style , same look, same AI prompt generations ? But different authors ?
NO.
Same fraud contributor with different accounts spamming collection simply because limit for newcomers is 500 uploads and he/she/them/they have a zillion AI created vectors.
And what is worse part of this is that Adobe accepting this on one side, and threat with ban and closing accounts to fair contributors.

synthetick · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2023, 01:26 »

So Caroline, Michael, Benjamin, Daniel, David, Charlotte, Artem, Taylor, Victoria, Olivia, Nathan, Natalie, Brandon etc etc etc are all the same person?
Wow, I wonder how many accounts they have in total!

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2023, 08:18 »

I'm not seeing AI vectors (there might be some, but there are lots that are just SVG/JPEG/PNG; interestingly I didn't see any Illustrator (AI) offerings), but I am seeing masses of look-alike similars

I don't know how many accounts, but there are "28,968 results for "japan web" in all".

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

What is odd is that many of these portfolios appear to have recent work that's all look-alike "japan web" although their earlier work is much more varied. For example:

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211464333/oleksandr?order=creation

Go to page 5 to see the changeover. It's odd that the above portfolio does have masses of genAI vectors as well as others not tagged that way.

It's all recent stuff though.

A google search for japan web just produced sites that help with tourist visas for visitors to Japan. I thought it was worth checking to see if this was some new art style

Adobe Stock says there are 117,634 genAI vectors - that's down about 2,000 from a couple of weeks ago, but still a lot for something supposed to be disallowed.

Madoo · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2023, 00:38 »

It is all AI generated content.
Vector AI generators export "creations" in SVG file.
That is how that person create such a big number of files.

Any vector creator would prefer to save work as EPS or Ai (adobe illustrator file) .

Anyone who create vectors know that it is impossible to create such number of vectors in such a short time.
Adobe policy that newbies can upload 500 files is the reason why that person use so many accounts.

Anyhow, what I wish to say is that Adobe accept and SELL - AI generated files as "vectors" without clear declaration that it is AI generated content.

First of all, it is not fair for vector contributors that their artwork is in the same rank with those AI "created" files.
It is also not fair toward other contributors which are threatened by those upload pop up window which states that account may be suspended if AI content isn't declared while submission.
Second, aren't that something that can be deceiving buyers ?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2023, 06:08 »

If these clone army files are wrongly tagged - not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the “ethical AI” marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

As I’ve noted elsewhere, the inspection process for AI content is broken. If this is another aspect of the problem, it’s even more troublesome.

Not a few slipups, but deliberate schemes to flout the rules. You’ve given Mat all the information needed to look into this

Madoo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2023, 10:55 »

I strongly feel that those AI vectors are approved deliberate. 28K of files can't be accepted by mistake.
Even when they are wrongly tagged - not marked as gen AI.

I'm not sure that Mat have seen this post of mine.

P.S. What is also can be seen : more and more "logos" and simple "icons" which are created with AI is accepted in the collection. No need to emphasize that they are also not marked as gen AI.

Madoo · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2023, 01:50 »

When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.

30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the “ethical AI” marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2023, 13:45 »

Quote from: Madoo on October 14, 2023, 01:50

When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.

30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the “ethical AI” marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2023, 16:45 »

Quote from: Madoo on September 29, 2023, 00:51

Can anyone please explain something to me ?

As it is stated in Adobe stock submission guidelines contributors must upload AI generated images as photos and illustrations.
NOT VECTORS.
As they stated those are only two type of files that they are accepting.
Even during file submission that pop-up window threat contributors to check AI generated "work"

So, then...how it is even possible that AI generated vectors can be accepted in a collection ? As far I can see there is more and more of them accepted in a collection.
Not to mention that there are obvious spammers taking over collection by sending tons and tons of AI generated vectors such as this one :

https://stock.adobe.com/images/express-lane-sign-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651729575?asset_id=651729575
https://stock.adobe.com/images/benedict-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651363941?asset_id=651363941
https://stock.adobe.com/images/car-lift-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651359223?asset_id=651359223
https://stock.adobe.com/images/present-ribbon-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651361041?asset_id=651361041
https://sthttps://stock.adobe.com/images/embroidery-hoop-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360648?
https://stock.adobe.com/images/wheel-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360307?asset_id=651360307

And many more....
just type japan web in a search bar ( title is searchable - this spammer add that phrase in each title so he can check what is accepted from which account) than select vectors > most recent
Same style , same look, same AI prompt generations ? But different authors ?
NO.
Same fraud contributor with different accounts spamming collection simply because limit for newcomers is 500 uploads and he/she/them/they have a zillion AI created vectors.
And what is worse part of this is that Adobe accepting this on one side, and threat with ban and closing accounts to fair contributors.

What a disgrace and what an injustice to other authors!
Well, it’s okay, one day Adobe Stock will still get indigestion.

Canstockphoto was also impudent with the acceptance of works. Then they came to their senses - but it was too late.

cidepix · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2023, 17:00 »

As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?

Mir · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2023, 17:40 »

It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.

Madoo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2023, 00:21 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 14, 2023, 13:45

Quote from: Madoo on October 14, 2023, 01:50
When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.

30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the “ethical AI” marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.

Each of those files have just "japan web", no need to add "red line art" as a search term.
I guess that this crook added that japan web term in all files in order to see which of these files are accepted ( considering that we all know that the title is searchable at Adobe stock )

synthetick · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2023, 00:47 »

if you search for the phrase "japan web" with the quote marks around it, you get around 22k files. Remove the quote marks and you get around 81k which would include all the files that have japan and web as separate keywords.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2023, 02:22 »

Quote from: Mir on October 14, 2023, 17:40

It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.

LOL too lazy to even set up an action to convert from SVG to eps 10. Nice.

cidepix · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2023, 09:50 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 16, 2023, 02:22

Quote from: Mir on October 14, 2023, 17:40
It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.
LOL too lazy to even set up an action to convert from SVG to eps 10. Nice.

I doubt they even know how to set up an action, yet here they are earning money as vector contributors. These are some crazy times

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** October 16, 2023, 11:34 »

Quote from: Madoo on October 16, 2023, 00:21

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 14, 2023, 13:45
Quote from: Madoo on October 14, 2023, 01:50
When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.

30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the “ethical AI” marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.

Each of those files have just "japan web", no need to add "red line art" as a search term.
I guess that this crook added that japan web term in all files in order to see which of these files are accepted ( considering that we all know that the title is searchable at Adobe stock )

I was searching for the specific set of images, not the multiple accounts that may or may not have them. What I noticed beyond the who knows how many accounts and the 22,000 files that they may have, depending on real keywords. But still, there are some with 20-30 images, and the same style or images.

Why? If they are trying to hide in plain sight, it just makes it easier for Adobe to eventually catch on and remove all of them.

Lets hope that happens.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #16 on:** October 16, 2023, 11:52 »

There are also vectors in the collection that are clearly labeled as "generative AI" but not tagged as such and have somehow been accepted anyway. Two examples:

Lemons in cartoon, doodle style. 2d vector illustration in logo, icon style. AI Generative

agressive shark | Generative AI

If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

cascoly · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2023, 12:42 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on October 16, 2023, 11:52

..
If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

we should have more sympathy for overworked reviewers - they're too busy tagging ai-gen in standard images

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2023, 12:47 »

Quote from: cascoly on October 16, 2023, 12:42

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on October 16, 2023, 11:52
..
If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

we should have more sympathy for overworked reviewers - they're too busy tagging ai-gen in standard images

Presented with those two data points - reviewers are tagging as genAI things which are human created and accepting genAI labeled vectors when those aren't allowed - I could only come to one (unflattering) conclusion.

jodijacobson · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2023, 14:25 »

For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

Madoo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2023, 23:37 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on October 16, 2023, 11:52

If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

Or reviewers did catch them but Adobe says let it in collection ?

cidepix · « **Reply #21 on:** October 18, 2023, 15:26 »

Quote from: Madoo on October 16, 2023, 23:37

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on October 16, 2023, 11:52

If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

Or reviewers did catch them but Adobe says let it in collection ?

I agree, they would be very easy to catch.

Mifornia · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2023, 22:11 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on October 16, 2023, 14:25

For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

Are you still happy with IStock? What about copycats? I’ve read that whole account can be copycatted? (I’m only upload to Adobe, but curious if IStock is worth uploading to) Thank you

Madoo · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2023, 00:15 »

Quote from: cidepix on October 14, 2023, 17:00

As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?

Did you get any answer from adobe support yet ?

cidepix · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2023, 03:38 »

Quote from: Madoo on October 19, 2023, 00:15

Quote from: cidepix on October 14, 2023, 17:00
As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?

Did you get any answer from adobe support yet ?

Nope.. 5 days without a response!

I am not sure they know the answer.

cidepix · « **Reply #25 on:** October 26, 2023, 10:09 »

So most of the links are gone.

I am not sure if they are gone for spamming or for the reason that adobe is not allowing ai vector uploads.

synthetick · « **Reply #26 on:** October 26, 2023, 17:01 »

I still see over 14,000 files in a search for "japan web" (in quote marks)

Madoo · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2023, 00:42 »

Quote from: cidepix on October 26, 2023, 10:09

So most of the links are gone.

I am not sure if they are gone for spamming or for the reason that adobe is not allowing ai vector uploads.

You still didn't get any info / reply from Adobe on this issue ?

cidepix · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2023, 07:39 »

Quote from: Madoo on October 30, 2023, 00:42

Quote from: cidepix on October 26, 2023, 10:09
So most of the links are gone.

I am not sure if they are gone for spamming or for the reason that adobe is not allowing ai vector uploads.

You still didn't get any info / reply from Adobe on this issue ?

Nope..

and that's after I contacted them a 2nd time. I even talked to them on live chat and I get the feeling they are not sure what to tell me. I think they still haven't decided on the terms of ai vector uploads..

the guy I spoke to on live chat initially said: "it's totally fine to upload ai vectors to their collection"

but then I told him about the concerns raised in this thread, and reminded him there is no checkbox to mark the image as "generative ai" like there is in JPEG uploads.. he then gave me an email address and asked me to contact contributor support directly.

That was when I sent a 2nd email a couple of days ago.. There is still no answer.

jar · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2023, 07:51 »

are these Ai vectors editable like hand drawn? i dont do vector, so i dont know.

MatHayward · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2023, 11:09 »

Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

cidepix · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2023, 13:45 »

Quote from: MatHayward on October 30, 2023, 11:09

Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

Hello Mat,

Thanks for finally providing a proper answer, because I haven't been able to get one from adobe support.

What about these portfolios then?
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/211464333/oleksandr?order=creation&asset_id=648697971
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/211603998/william?load_type=author&prev_url=detail&asset_id=651733836

They are obviously AI generated SVG files..

Madoo · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2023, 11:38 »

Quote from: MatHayward on October 30, 2023, 11:09

Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

You are saying that generative AI vector images are going to be rejected ?
If it is so....how it is possible that EACH and EVERY day there is MORE and MORE obviously generative AI vector images in collection ?

P.S. If we ( as contributors ) are able to see that those files are generative AI - I'm SURE that Adobe moderation team can see it too.

Madoo · « **Reply #35 on:** November 01, 2023, 01:22 »

Quote from: MatHayward on October 31, 2023, 13:36

Quote from: Madoo on October 31, 2023, 11:38
Quote from: MatHayward on October 30, 2023, 11:09
Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

I strongly advise you do not submit vector images created with generative AI software. Instead, my recommendation is to fully comply with the generative AI submission guidelines: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html

If the policy changes in the future, I'll be sure to let everyone here know.

-Mat Hayward

You are saying that generative AI vector images are going to be rejected ?
If it is so....how it is possible that EACH and EVERY day there is MORE and MORE obviously generative AI vector images in collection ?

P.S. If we ( as contributors ) are able to see that those files are generative AI - I'm SURE that Adobe moderation team can see it too.

Funny, I was expecting real answer from a man of your age and position within Adobe.
Unfortunately for us your quoting screams just one thing....that you don't have a clue why Adobe accept generative AI vector images.

MarJanika · « **Reply #36 on:** November 02, 2023, 06:44 »

In 15 minutes I found many authors posting vector illustrations in AI format. The quality of most of the vectors is just awful, the usual auto-tracing in a vector editor. I don't understand how it all gets on microstock, but works that are really hand drawn are rejected as AI generated?
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211480796/overwolfz?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211617025/nadula?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/209469230/nicholas?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211153839/asrafulhoq-raju?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211389999/mahir?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211298738/gblack?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211557645/stock-and-vectors?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211575926/qaasim?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211499412/art-coloring?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211296027/warung?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211448848/alex?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/208837416/farukh?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/contributor/211548967/happysouldigitalart?load_type=author&prev_url=detail [nonactive]

And that's just a drop in the ocean of what I've found in a short time.

Another question for Mat. As far as I know, mentioning any trademark is strictly prohibited. How this image was omitted is a mystery to me.
newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/lv/images/halloween-invitation-vector-pink-cartoon-illustration-in-barbiecore/648845040 [nonactive]

I'm in favor of justice in all things.

wordplanet · « **Reply #37 on:** November 02, 2023, 12:47 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on October 16, 2023, 14:25

For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

iPhones are pretty amazing these days especially if you use the Photoshop or Lightroom camera app for more control, but you might look into mirrorless if you want a camera your older bones can handle. I switched to mirrorless when I turned 60 because herniated & bulging disks made my heavy Nikons a burden. (I turned 65 last month) One thing, with a large lens, my Sony mirrorless are still somewhat heavy, but my little Olympus is light as a feather and it may not have the 60 or 42MP of my Sonys but it's great for stock.

Your attitude is excellent by the way. Age does bring us wisdom, at least it has for you.

jar · « **Reply #38 on:** November 02, 2023, 13:24 »

can somebody explain why AI vector images are not allowed? Are these files not editable by the customer or what is the problem about? It`s like fake vector files? Or it does not matter for the customer? edit: I dont know how a vector file is working, so it is interesting whats going on here.

synthetick · « **Reply #39 on:** November 02, 2023, 17:33 »

Quote from: hellou on November 02, 2023, 13:24

can somebody explain why AI vector images are not allowed? Are these files not editable by the customer or what is the problem about? It`s like fake vector files? Or it does not matter for the customer? edit: I dont know how a vector file is working, so it is interesting whats going on here.

My guess is that AI vectors and videos are not allowed because reviewing a vector or a video takes more time than reviewing a raster image, and moderation would not be able to cope.

cobalt · « **Reply #40 on:** November 03, 2023, 05:37 »

Is it allowed to post ai images of Martin Luther King for Martin Luther King day?

I am seeing quite a few images with his face and his name in the description.

I thought this kind of editorial art was not allowed?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #41 on:** November 03, 2023, 11:11 »

Quote from: synthetick on November 02, 2023, 17:33

Quote from: hellou on November 02, 2023, 13:24
can somebody explain why AI vector images are not allowed? Are these files not editable by the customer or what is the problem about? It`s like fake vector files? Or it does not matter for the customer? edit: I dont know how a vector file is working, so it is interesting whats going on here.

My guess is that AI vectors and videos are not allowed because reviewing a vector or a video takes more time than reviewing a raster image, and moderation would not be able to cope.

Sounds good and my guess is, they can't tell if a Vector was made using AI or not. Aside from the obvious flaws or it looks like AI, the process of transforming the image from a raster to a vector, removes any of the hidden tags in the files. The software that reviews images, before they get to a human, and checks for AI and other things, size Etc. can't do it's job. That would lead to what you suggested, that all reviews would have to be human and that would take too much time.

There could be a legal reason. IS says no illustrations after 1900, but the law is 1927? "Under the Copyright Term Extension Act, books published in 1927, films released in 1927, and other works published in 1927, entered the public domain in 2023. " One of my releases on Adobe switched from approved to RED and that was for some out of copyright illustrated items from the 1909 to 1913 era. On the other hand, AS says they don't take PD and never have.

Is an AI image Public Domain? It can't be copyrighted. So how do they accept and distribute AI images?

I don't know, but there are some interesting side issues and contradictions.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #42 on:** November 03, 2023, 16:57 »

Quote from: Madoo on November 01, 2023, 01:22

Quote from: MatHayward on October 31, 2023, 13:36
Quote from: Madoo on October 31, 2023, 11:38
Quote from: MatHayward on October 30, 2023, 11:09
Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

I strongly advise you do not submit vector images created with generative AI software. Instead, my recommendation is to fully comply with the generative AI submission guidelines: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html

If the policy changes in the future, I'll be sure to let everyone here know.

-Mat Hayward

You are saying that generative AI vector images are going to be rejected ?
If it is so....how it is possible that EACH and EVERY day there is MORE and MORE obviously generative AI vector images in collection ?

P.S. If we ( as contributors ) are able to see that those files are generative AI - I'm SURE that Adobe moderation team can see it too.

Funny, I was expecting real answer from a man of your age and position within Adobe.
Unfortunately for us your quoting screams just one thing....that you don't have a clue why Adobe accept generative AI vector images.

are you sure these aren't auto-traced vectors?

and please show some respect for those who are working,remember that Mat has rules to follow,he is working!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #43 on:** November 04, 2023, 06:52 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on October 16, 2023, 14:25

For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

I agree with most of what you say,but the fact is that your experience is different from the experience of another person.
Everyone due to their own personal experience and the situation they find themselves in,acts and thinks differently.

All this is fine,but as long as you maintain a certain respect in expressing your ideas,something that unfortunately is sometimes missing.

I'm younger than you,but not that young anymore,and I think there's nothing wrong with reporting a portfolio that uploads images of Wonder Woman or whatever,that breaks the rules and that tries to earn easy money with other people's property,like thieves of which there are many.

but I particularly like one thing you said,which I redefine in my own way:"follow your own path and focus on your work"

for the rest,regarding AI,if someone have doubts about something,simply follow the Adobe Generative AI User Guidelines.

of course,sometimes not everything appears completely clear,simply because it is something new for everyone,and it is easy to remain confused on some points.

it's new for Adobe too,for everyone.

Then we are here on microstock group to do what?to look each other in the face?no,so it is right that there is a more or less interesting exchange of opinions,with different ideas and different points of view,as long as everything happens always trying to respect the different point of view.

ok,I finished my coffee and I'm going back to work!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #44 on:** November 04, 2023, 11:33 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 03, 2023, 16:57

are you sure these aren't auto-traced vectors?

and please show some respect for those who are working,remember that Mat has rules to follow,he is working!

Auto traced vectors, and almost always in sets of four or less, similar images?

Did you look at them?

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

Side note, 13,455 results for "japan web" now, was "28,968 results for "japan web""

Madoo · « **Reply #45 on:** November 05, 2023, 04:27 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 04, 2023, 11:33

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 03, 2023, 16:57

are you sure these aren't auto-traced vectors?

and please show some respect for those who are working,remember that Mat has rules to follow,he is working!

Auto traced vectors, and almost always in sets of four or less, similar images? Did you look at them?

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

Side note, 13,455 results for "japan web" now, was "28,968 results for "japan web""

That is perfect example of AI generated vectors.
My two pennies about why four similar is that the midjourney generate 4 "images" and fraudsters submit them all.
Also....
I'm quite sure that Adobe acceptance of such files is NOT by mistake.
Considering that Adobe collection content is moderated by humans those files are accepted even if it is OBVIOUS that they are Ai generated, NO ONE here, even Mat, can convince me otherwise.
His state "Do not submit generative AI vector images" without further actions to remove those files and "contributors" from collection still says one or two things:

1) they (Adobe) do this deliberately.
2) there is HUGE gap in communications between Adobe departments so he is simply not informed that moderators are instructed to accept those files.

That is why I started this topic as a double standards issue.
Accepting those files and not removing it from collection is enormous disrespect toward working people - illustrators , photographers videographers.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #46 on:** November 05, 2023, 07:35 »

Sorry,maybe I missed something,but I don't see any violation of the Adobe Generative AI User Guidelines in these vectors.

they are auto-traced vectors obtained from AI outputs,and therefore they are not vectors generated by AI.

i think there is a difference,they are not using Illustrator to create an AI content,but they are using Illustrator(or other software) to trace images.

I don't even see a particular set of similar ones,yes maximum 4 similar ones,therefore I don't see anything that violates the Adobe guidelines for AI content or the general terms of the contributor agreement in these vectors,they can't even be called AI content,even though the original output was clearly AI.

Maybe I'm wrong,but this is what I see.

Madoo · « **Reply #47 on:** November 06, 2023, 01:03 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 05, 2023, 07:35

Sorry,maybe I missed something,but I don't see any violation of the Adobe Generative AI User Guidelines in these vectors.

they are auto-traced vectors obtained from AI outputs,and therefore they are not vectors generated by AI.

i think there is a difference,they are not using Illustrator to create an AI content,but they are using Illustrator(or other software) to trace images.

I don't even see a particular set of similar ones,yes maximum 4 similar ones,therefore I don't see anything that violates the Adobe guidelines for AI content or the general terms of the contributor agreement in these vectors,they can't even be called AI content,even though the original output was clearly AI.

Maybe I'm wrong,but this is what I see.

In that logic of yours Ai generated "image" after importing to image manipulation program ,such as photoshop or lightroom, and changing few little things should become photo ?

P.S. Violation in a first place is that Adobe claims that all AI generated files MUST BE DECLARED SO and those files obviously aren't. Which is fraudulent activity toward buyers.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #48 on:** November 06, 2023, 07:15 »

Quote from: Madoo on November 06, 2023, 01:03

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 05, 2023, 07:35
Sorry,maybe I missed something,but I don't see any violation of the Adobe Generative AI User Guidelines in these vectors.

they are auto-traced vectors obtained from AI outputs,and therefore they are not vectors generated by AI.

i think there is a difference,they are not using Illustrator to create an AI content,but they are using Illustrator(or other software) to trace images.

I don't even see a particular set of similar ones,yes maximum 4 similar ones,therefore I don't see anything that violates the Adobe guidelines for AI content or the general terms of the contributor agreement in these vectors,they can't even be called AI content,even though the original output was clearly AI.

Maybe I'm wrong,but this is what I see.

In that logic of yours Ai generated "image" after importing to image manipulation program ,such as photoshop or lightroom, and changing few little things should become photo ?

P.S. Violation in a first place is that Adobe claims that all AI generated files MUST BE DECLARED SO and those files obviously aren't. Which is fraudulent activity toward buyers.

No,In my opinion this is only applicable to vector images,not to raster images.

I believe that it is more important to AI label a photorealistic image than an illustration,It's important that AI images that look real carry the AI label so everyone can see that it's not real even if it looks like it.

returning instead to the problem of vectors,at the moment Adobe does not allow the creation of AI vectors.

an auto-traced vector is not a generated vector.

from the Adobe generative AI guidelines:"Label your image as generative AI when the use of generative AI tools in Photoshop or Illustrator changed,augmented,or added a new primary subject of an image".

Examples when to label your image as generative AI:

-Generating new additions, such as a new person, animal, or object
-Adding new subjects might compromise the accuracy of an image
-Making significant adjustments or changes to a human subject in an image
-Recoloring the primary subject of an image

as you can see,a vector created by tracing an AI output does not break any of these points.

all of this can clearly raise doubts,because it is not completely clear.

what I know is that if it's not specified in the AI guidelines,it means that it doesn't involve a violation of the guidelines.

However yesterday I took a look at Adobe Stock vector collection,and there are many AI,EPS,SVG vectors that are labeled as AI,so I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

I also believe that this is not applicable to photorealistic images,i.e. auto-tracing a photorealistic image is not allowed.

synthetick · « **Reply #49 on:** November 06, 2023, 07:27 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15

I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

Injustice for all · « **Reply #50 on:** November 06, 2023, 08:05 »

Quote from: synthetick on November 06, 2023, 07:27

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15
I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.
well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

I never said I'm doing it,and it's certainly not something I would recommend,better not to do it,because it's not clear.

I only reported the facts,the rules are those and acting in that way doesn't break any rules from what I read.

ole999 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 06, 2023, 09:47 »

Accepting those files and not removing it from collection is enormous disrespect toward working people - illustrators , photographers videographers.
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Exactly.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #52 on:** November 06, 2023, 15:02 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15

However yesterday I took a look at Adobe Stock vector collection,and there are many AI,EPS,SVG vectors that are labeled as AI,so I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

I understand your point, but also: You must always click the "Created using generative AI tools" box, regardless of whether a release is required or not, for all content created with generative AI software. which Adobe says. What I mean is, if someone doesn't check the created with AI box, they are in violation of the guidelines.

I think that's pretty clear. The part about, if I generate an image, and then autotrace it and make a vector, is picking at a fine point, and I'm not so sure there's a difference, since the initial image is created with Generative AI tools.

And your point is, the vector image wasn't created with Generative AI Tools, it was created by someone editing the image in Illustrator.

But I'm going to argue against that, because the source of the image and the original image are AI. Just as if you take someone else's illustration and make a vector, it doesn't create a new transformative work, or different image, just because it has been traced.

Nope I'm not going to make some and find out.

Quote from: MatHayward on October 30, 2023, 11:09

Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

I don't know and the Adobe site, doesn't say specifically "don't do it" but Mat has tried to be helpful and warned us.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #53 on:** November 06, 2023, 19:07 »

The point is that there is nothing specifically written about this in Adobe's AI guidelines,this explains the existence of many vector images labeled as AI in the Adobe Stock collection.

I'm trying to make sense how the contributors reasoned,and why they are uploading these traced vectors,and the reason is that they don't directly break any rules.

that's why we're seeing these traced vectors,because the only thing clearly specified is that it is not allowed to create generative AI vectors.

a traced vector is not an AI generated vector.

the box to label the vector as AI is not yet available,otherwise these traced vectors would clearly be fully allowed.

and that's why we're seeing these thousands of traced vectors from AI outputs approved per day,even though they shouldn't be approved... or maybe they should?

however,the box to label vectors as AI will soon be available,someone tried to be smart and get ahead of the curve,taking a minimal risk in my opinion because I don't think it risks permanent blocking if it happens for the first time,since nothing concrete is specified about it in the guidelines.

don't try this at home!

Madoo · « **Reply #54 on:** November 07, 2023, 01:11 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 08:05

Quote from: synthetick on November 06, 2023, 07:27
Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15
I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.
well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

I never said I'm doing it,and it's certainly not something I would recommend,better not to do it,because it's not clear.

I only reported the facts,the rules are those and acting in that way doesn't break any rules from what I read.

Also...what rules says about multiple accounts ?
Of course that you can have multiple accounts with different assets, but if you check for example, that japan web reddish icons it is obviously same author from a 40+ accounts. What does it says ? That it is something legal or what ?

Injustice for all · « **Reply #55 on:** November 07, 2023, 05:32 »

Quote from: Madoo on November 07, 2023, 01:11

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 08:05
Quote from: synthetick on November 06, 2023, 07:27
Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15
I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.
well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

I never said I'm doing it,and it's certainly not something I would recommend,better not to do it,because it's not clear.

I only reported the facts,the rules are those and acting in that way doesn't break any rules from what I read.

Also...what rules says about multiple accounts ?
Of course that you can have multiple accounts with different assets, but if you check for example, that japan web reddish icons it is obviously same author from a 40+ accounts. What does it says ? That it is something legal or what ?

ok,that's another story,if that's the case and the accounts belong to the same owner,it's a serious violation and the owner of the "japan web" results risks big.

Yes,it is possible to have different accounts for different assets(video,photos,AI),only one account for AI content is allowed.

in this case it is double violation,because not only are they uploading AI content to multiple accounts,but also AI vector content that are not still allowed,to multiple accounts.

however I found something interesting in the terms of the account and submission guidelines:

"We don’t permit multiple account creations to submit similar or identical content to inflate sales,or to bypass upload limits for generative AI content".

this is confirmation of my theory,that there are upload and acceptance limits for AI content.

this explains the reason for the numerous rejections that many are having,entire batches rejected,because they have already reached the limit.

is not specified what limit,but I think 500 or 1000 per month for AI content,but it's just my guess.

synthetick · « **Reply #56 on:** November 07, 2023, 06:40 »

Answered your other post but putting it here too:

I think it is already fairly well known that there are upload limits. If you join the Discord community you will probably be more informed about this. Newbies have a limit of 50 files and it goes up from there depending on factors that AS does not disclose.

synthetick · « **Reply #57 on:** November 07, 2023, 06:41 »

This refers to the number of files in review at any one time.

Mifornia · « **Reply #58 on:** November 07, 2023, 22:52 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 07, 2023, 05:32

this is confirmation of my theory,that there are upload and acceptance limits for AI content.

this explains the reason for the numerous rejections that many are having,entire batches rejected,because they have already reached the limit.

is not specified what limit,but I think 500 or 1000 per month for AI content,but it's just my guess.

I think it’s 1000 per month or more for established accounts.

I also think it highly depends from moderators who accept images. One of my batches of same style was completely rejected because of quality. Yet similar variation in different color was accepted and selling.

I think and hope the moderation time is better now. In July I had a whole month when nothing was accepted. Now it’s back to weekly acceptance. Sometimes 5 images, sometimes 90 at a time - don’t know why, but I’m grateful.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #59 on:** November 08, 2023, 07:24 »

Quote from: synthetick on November 07, 2023, 06:40

Answered your other post but putting it here too:

I think it is already fairly well known that there are upload limits. If you join the Discord community you will probably be more informed about this. Newbies have a limit of 50 files and it goes up from there depending on factors that AS does not disclose.

I don't think it's very well known,given the number of complaints about rejections!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #60 on:** November 08, 2023, 07:40 »

I think the upload limit,or it would be more correct to say the acceptance rate,is on an annual basis,there are several things that make me think this.

Yes I thought that from November the inspection situation would start to improve,because there were elements that made me think this and certainly from the new year things will be noticeably better.

but please don't read me,because I'm the one who always talks nonsense!

I go against the grain,I have never been a sheep and I never will be,I question everything and I don't take anything for granted!

common thinking is often the wrong one,when everyone thinks something is right,it is often wrong.

Anyway parenthesis closed,we're talking about something else here.

I had seen that the results for “japan web” had dropped considerably,so it seems that Adobe has worked quickly to solve the problem.

synthetick · « **Reply #61 on:** November 08, 2023, 18:11 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 08, 2023, 07:24

Quote from: synthetick on November 07, 2023, 06:40
Answered your other post but putting it here too:

I think it is already fairly well known that there are upload limits. If you join the Discord community you will probably be more informed about this. Newbies have a limit of 50 files and it goes up from there depending on factors that AS does not disclose.

I don't think it's very well known,given the number of complaints about rejections!

Sorry I didn't understand that you were talking about rejections. I thought you were talking about upload limits ie. the limit on the number of files that can be in review at any one time. There are upload limits in place of 50 files in review for newcomers, and higher limits for other contributors but Adobe hasn't disclosed how those are calculated.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #62 on:** November 09, 2023, 14:08 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 08, 2023, 07:40

I think the upload limit,or it would be more correct to say the acceptance rate,is on an annual basis,there are several things that make me think this.

Are you saying the upload limit is one number, but Adobe has an acceptance limit, that they don't tell us, on our number of files? Or am I missing something? Acceptance rate or acceptance numbers, isn't just by the quality of the images?

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #63 on:** November 09, 2023, 14:23 »

For sure acceptance fixed limit per user do not exist, this is so stupid that no one agency would limit themselves on that stupid way, but limit on each user based on previous reviews or potfolio sales history sounds real, although even that is pretty extreme. So, create unique content, quality content, strong conceptual, no similars and so on and your acceptance rate will be high. All this is clear from years ago. Don't be paranoid.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #64 on:** November 09, 2023, 15:29 »

in the terms of the account and submission guidelines of Adobe Stock:

"We don’t permit multiple account creations to submit similar or identical content to inflate sales,or to bypass upload limits for generative AI content".

this is the fact,judge for yourself,the limit is how much AI content can be accepted,and this probably extends to real content too.

the only thing I can be sure,after reading this sentence in the terms of the account and submission guidelines,is that there are limits to the amount of AI content that can be accepted.

what these limits are,whether they are on an annual or monthly basis,or whether these limits are also extended to real contents,I don't know,just as nobody knows.

I reported this because I saw that many complained about entire AI and non-AI batches being rejected.

I have never had any particular problems with rejections because I upload around 1000 content per year,and I have never had particularly long review waiting times.

I agree,quality beats number,but number is also important,and quality is also description and keywords, something that in my opinion is underestimated by many.

the truth of everything is that in microstock making money is not easy,you have to be good,you have to have patience,a lot of patience,you have to be informed,up to date,you have to try to be innovative...it's probably among the most difficult jobs in the world!

only if you really like it can you do this job,and if you are strong enough to reject all criticism!

the only thing that is certain is that it takes a long time to earn significant amounts of money,it is not something to choose if you want a profit in the short term.

then there are those who see microstock as a hobby and is fine.

and then there are people that break all possible rules,they don't care,they just want to make a few hundred dollars if they can before they get caught!

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #65 on:** November 10, 2023, 05:17 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 04, 2023, 11:33

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 03, 2023, 16:57

are you sure these aren't auto-traced vectors?

and please show some respect for those who are working,remember that Mat has rules to follow,he is working!

Auto traced vectors, and almost always in sets of four or less, similar images? Did you look at them?

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

Side note, 13,455 results for "japan web" now, was "28,968 results for "japan web""

Now 2,408 left for japan web.

Madoo · « **Reply #66 on:** November 12, 2023, 06:14 »

Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #67 on:** November 12, 2023, 08:29 »

Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14

Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #68 on:** November 12, 2023, 10:42 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 12, 2023, 08:29

Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14
Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?

There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #69 on:** November 12, 2023, 13:31 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 12, 2023, 10:42

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 12, 2023, 08:29
Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14
Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?
There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

so do you agree now that there is an upload limit?
ok this is the point, and I hope you will agree with me that it is better to know and quantify this limit if possible.

Maaaat!!hahahahhaha!!

can you see that I'm already on the verge of madness?Please have mercy on me!

Madoo · « **Reply #70 on:** November 13, 2023, 00:42 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 12, 2023, 10:42

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 12, 2023, 08:29
Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14
Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?
There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

'' the limit of acceptable AI content '' ? ? ?
Please....change dealer.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #71 on:** November 13, 2023, 07:48 »

Quote from: Madoo on November 13, 2023, 00:42

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 12, 2023, 10:42
Quote from: Injustice for all on November 12, 2023, 08:29
Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14
Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?
There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

'' the limit of acceptable AI content '' ? ? ?
Please....change dealer.

Guys,is it possible that you don't understand anything?

I'm really shocked!

How is it possible that no one here understands the importance of having an official limit declared by Adobe on the AI content that can be accepted for sale per month?

this limit already exists,because it is written in the terms,and it is also evident given that the Adobe Stock AI collection grows by only about a million per week,it is evident that many AI contents are rejected.

then you Madoo,you come here to complain about the illegal multi-accounts that are created and that upload contents that are not allowed,I offer you a partial solution and you also row against me?

the point is that this limit perhaps cannot be declared,Adobe perhaps prefers not to set limits,and to have the freedom to act as it sees fit.

but the best thing for us contributors would be to have an official limit declared,and I'm more than sure that Adobe has at least thought about it.

Look,I don't care,I have better things to do than waste my time.

I proposed that a limit be decided and officially declared,to avoid many problems that I have already listed in the other thread,and which I do not intend to repeat again.

if they want to do it they do it,if they can't or don't want to do it,they don't do it,Adobe does as they want, I'm sure they know how to act for the best since they have the complete picture of the situation.

but my idea is valid,it's a good idea,I'm more than sure that it will at least be taken into consideration.

and that's enough,I've already wasted too much time and I don't intend to waste any more!

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #72 on:** November 13, 2023, 13:33 »

Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #73 on:** November 13, 2023, 14:07 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on November 13, 2023, 13:33

Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best.

Since I already asked in the other thread on the same subject, sometimes I think something is lost in the translation and "Injustice" might be saying, there should be a acceptance limit and it should be published. Maybe not that there is some secret limit that's hidden from us? I don't know, but the last post seems to hint at that.

Simple fact is, since Microstock started, and there could be an exception, almost all agencies have had the one account per person limit. One exception was, someone could open a second group account and with others, all contribute to that. Something like Africa Studio and some others. https://www.shutterstock.com/g/africa+studio
1,305,470 stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.

Alamy, one account, many pseudonyms.

SS:
Can I share an account with someone else?

Your account may only contain your own work and cannot be shared
Per Shutterstock policy, there may only be one contributor for each account. Each account owner must wholly own full copyright to any content that they upload within their Shutterstock account.

Accounts cannot be shared between spouses or other family members. Accounts cannot be registered to the names of spouses or other family members if the content submitted is created by someone else. For example, if a husband and wife are both photographers who want to license their images with Shutterstock, they must each create a separate account. They cannot register an account just to the wife's name and submit content that was created by both of them into that portfolio.

Account ownership or payments can be shared if you have a Shutterstock business account.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #74 on:** November 13, 2023, 18:09 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 13, 2023, 14:07

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on November 13, 2023, 13:33
Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best.

Since I already asked in the other thread on the same subject, sometimes I think something is lost in the translation and "Injustice" might be saying, there should be a acceptance limit and it should be published. Maybe not that there is some secret limit that's hidden from us? I don't know, but the last post seems to hint at that.

Simple fact is, since Microstock started, and there could be an exception, almost all agencies have had the one account per person limit. One exception was, someone could open a second group account and with others, all contribute to that. Something like Africa Studio and some others. https://www.shutterstock.com/g/africa+studio
1,305,470 stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.

Alamy, one account, many pseudonyms.

SS:
Can I share an account with someone else?

Your account may only contain your own work and cannot be shared
Per Shutterstock policy, there may only be one contributor for each account. Each account owner must wholly own full copyright to any content that they upload within their Shutterstock account.

Accounts cannot be shared between spouses or other family members. Accounts cannot be registered to the names of spouses or other family members if the content submitted is created by someone else. For example, if a husband and wife are both photographers who want to license their images with Shutterstock, they must each create a separate account. They cannot register an account just to the wife's name and submit content that was created by both of them into that portfolio.

Account ownership or payments can be shared if you have a Shutterstock business account.

Pete,thanks for understanding.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #75 on:** November 14, 2023, 12:34 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 13, 2023, 18:09

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 13, 2023, 14:07
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on November 13, 2023, 13:33
Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best.

Since I already asked in the other thread on the same subject, sometimes I think something is lost in the translation and "Injustice" might be saying, there should be a acceptance limit and it should be published. Maybe not that there is some secret limit that's hidden from us? I don't know, but the last post seems to hint at that.

Simple fact is, since Microstock started, and there could be an exception, almost all agencies have had the one account per person limit. One exception was, someone could open a second group account and with others, all contribute to that. Something like Africa Studio and some others. https://www.shutterstock.com/g/africa+studio
1,305,470 stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.

Alamy, one account, many pseudonyms.

SS:
Can I share an account with someone else?

Your account may only contain your own work and cannot be shared
Per Shutterstock policy, there may only be one contributor for each account. Each account owner must wholly own full copyright to any content that they upload within their Shutterstock account.

Accounts cannot be shared between spouses or other family members. Accounts cannot be registered to the names of spouses or other family members if the content submitted is created by someone else. For example, if a husband and wife are both photographers who want to license their images with Shutterstock, they must each create a separate account. They cannot register an account just to the wife's name and submit content that was created by both of them into that portfolio.

Account ownership or payments can be shared if you have a Shutterstock business account.

Pete,thanks for understanding.

I'm not sure I do, but You Are Welcome.

I'm still pondering the AI PNGs (or any other original format) that are traced and made into a vector, with an invisible background are not AI generated images, and somehow become something else because of the auto tracing and putting them into a different package.

I'd like to do that, but I'm never going to take the chance, especially with Adobe coming down hard on some people who have been here, with their locked account experiences.

My argument would be, if you autotrace an AI image, and make it into a vector... it's still an AI image.

Madoo · « **Reply #76 on:** January 06, 2024, 04:56 »

And now, few months later....collection is flooded with GEN AI "vectors".
I'm quite sure that Adobe accept them deliberately.
Considering that they are not declared as AI generated and fact that they are accepted in a collection as regular vectors is spitting in a face of a vector contributors .
Shame.....

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #77 on:** January 06, 2024, 06:15 »

Quote from: Madoo on January 06, 2024, 04:56

And now, few months later....collection is flooded with GEN AI "vectors".
I'm quite sure that Adobe accept them deliberately.
Considering that they are not declared as AI generated and fact that they are accepted in a collection as regular vectors is spitting in a face of a vector contributors .
Shame.....

+1
Yes, it's even scandalous. There is no longer any respect, no recognition, they wallow in greed.
New generation values...